Burnt taste with all my attys

[Janie47]

Thanks Remie! (You're always so awesome!) After finding this thread and posting, I immediately replaced the Joye attys I received today with the ones I already had from my disposable 510s and am happy happy HAPPY again! (Just still have to persuade my Dad).

I did notice the Joye atomizer ran hotter, and was topping off like crazy today. In fact, I've used the same amount of e-liquid today that I have been using over a 4-5 day period. This taste and smell definitely is not just a dry, harsh taste. It smells like a chemical and literally made me start to feel sick. When our daughter got home this afternoon, she sat down beside me on the sofa and said, "Where's Dad? I think something electrical is on fire. I smell burning rubber or something." I told her it was my e-cig and she said, "No, you just can't smell it cos you've been in here with it I guess. I PROMISE you something electrical is burning!" (Did I mention she is a 22 yr old drama queen? lol) Anyway, I stuck the Joye atomizer under her nose and she finally believed our house wasn't about to blow up. Haha.

O/T...I'd been considering the eGo due to long battery life. Are you happy with yours Remie? I couldn't decide if I wanted the eGo or just to order mega batteries for my 510. After seeing your post, I wanna' go get some info on the Tornado though. Haha....off to do some more "research" before I decide which of the 3 to invest in.

 

[GoodDog]

Janie47... Your font is too small for me to read your posts on my laptop.

 

[Janie47]

Hi GoodDog......I changed the size. Can you see it now? If not, it must be the font/color I chose and not the size? Let me know. Thanks!

 

[Remie]

Hi Janie! That is it - the lingering smell! Your drama-queen smelled it - she got it right, it IS chemical like an electrical fire!
(I have a drama-queen too, and that sounds exactly like what she would say - word for word! LOL)

The fact that you notice the immediate difference when you switch atomizers and you don't even have to think about it - you just know <-- that's the issue right there. There isn't anything we can do different as far as e-liquid, topping off more, cleaning the atties, dripping, cart-mods, etc... that awful taste and smell comes back no matter what.

The eGo and Tornado are the exact same unit. Janty sells the eGo and Totally Wicked sells the Tornado. I got the Tornado (it was in stock, I liked that it came with 2 atomizers, the price seemed a tiny bit better)

Bottom line - I love it. I love my 510 and the eGo/Tornado just made my 510 better. I haven't had any issues with the atomizers. The long battery life is awesome. I average 10 hours, and I vape a LOT. It's comfy to handle too. It was a really good next step for me!

I'm sorry your Dad isn't having an easier time with the whole vaping thing Maybe a little more patience and seeing you be so successful might sway him over a little more

You haven't had your 510 all that long, right? Have you contacted your supplier and reported the problem? Maybe they can exchange the atomizers? It's worth a shot, and as someone else mentioned... now that CNY is over maybe suppliers will be receiving new stock and we'll start to see this problem die down.

 

[GoodDog]

Hi GoodDog......I changed the size. Can you see it now? If not, it must be the font/color I chose and not the size? Let me know. Thanks!

Much better... thanks! I hate getting old! LOL

 

[Janie47]

I hear ya' Gooddog! I'm always wondering how the heck people can see the little coils, etc in the attys! I have to get out my reading glasses, a flashlight, stand in the sun.....ha, and STILL can't see what everyone is talking about. LOL.

 

[Janie47]

Hi Remie!

I sent you a long PM with lots of questions. LOL.. Actually, I sent 2 but you can ignore the second, as I sent it before reading your post here.

 

[tarheeldan]

Had to chime in since I just got my eGo/Tornado and am so happy with it As Remie said, battery life is a huge plus - it means no more dancing around switching 'em between your PV and the charger And the cone that comes with it makes the draw feel better plus the vapor's a little warmer...a nice improvement.

Hope you can get an atty replacement ; at first it sounded like it needed a clean (had a similar nastiness with an atty a couple days ago) but it sounds more serious and mechanical. Oh, now I'm really just repeating Remie (You're awesome btw Remie - noticed all the great help and all you post) so I'll shut up.

 

[Kate51]

It's kind of agreed that the coil wadding is for insulation and retention of the shape for the wire coil, hot expand cool contract support to keep coil from breaking or pulling away from the soldered joint, not sure if it's actually performing any other role...I believe the heat from the coil heats the saturated "mesh" steel that wraps around the base of the atty and across the bridge=vapor, but in use that coil fiber also is full of moisture, but why it is coming out of position is beyond me. It definitely shows sign of char.

 

[Remie]

dan - yer makin' me blush lol - you're pretty awesome yourself! I read all your posts, you help so many people too! So no, you are not allowed to shut up!!

I think the cone does make the vape fuller and "warmer" somehow too Dan, it's a really nice improvement on the 510, which I obviously already loved.

I used my 510 tonight with the standard batteries, I still like to use it sometimes! It let me charge up both my Tornado batteries because I'm on the road tomorrow and it's so nice to vape in the car with those long lasting batteries. One will last me all day and the spare will just be my security

Kate - are you talking about the wire-mesh that covers the bridge? Or the strings of white wicking material that come out from under the wire-mesh and sit in the liquid reservoir where the actual heating coil is? I'm confused and not sure I understand what you're explaining.

After all my futile attempts trying the endless suggestions regarding a possible solution to the problem I decided to learn how the atomizer works from how it's constructed, to all it's components, voltage, etc.

I found a few threads, one with great pictures and a lot of detailed information regarding heat, the effects of over-heating, and how to test the voltage.

I started examining atomizers under a bright light using a magnifying glass. I did notice on two of the nasty atomizers that the wire mesh covering the metal bridge support was sparse in places. It looked cut on one and incomplete. I could see the metal bridge support right through the wire mesh.

It appeared very "messy" looking in comparison with two atomizers I felt were performing very well and seemed far superior to the "bad" ones.

I also notices that on these 2 "bad ones", the white stringy wicking material wasn't tucked into the liquid reservoir under the actual heating coil. It was sticking out from the wire mesh on the bridge and resting up against the inner wall of the atomizer housing.

After testing the atomizer with a multi-meter and confirming that it was not dead, I dissected it. It was unusable regardless and worth sacrificing for the sake of learning.

I posted about it in this thread somewhere.

I wish I had taken pictures of the dissection! I learned a lot.

The biggest thing I learned is that these things are just not very complex and it shouldn't take a degree in quantum physics or neuro-surgery to understand and use.

Basically, the heating coil heats the liquid that is drawn into the reservoir. The wire mesh on the bridge doesn't get all that hot.

Unless I am completely misunderstanding what you are saying
Which is very possible!

 

[joniv6363]

well I took the advice and cut my cart down cleaned all my attys so far fist 2 good!!! Mybe it was hitting to far down in the atty i hope thats what it was.. I have 3 diffrent kinds of filters..one was also shorter the first ons i got (only one left like 3/4 moon) it the right size already....anyone else try please post thanks

 

[Kate51]

Remie you got it right, those 'threads' are the threads that the wire coil is supposed to be wrapped around.
They are found just lying about in the bottom, or sticking to the sides, or half-way out from under the bridge. This is not the fibers from my cartridges, this is the coil insulation. See picture post #181

 

[crazygirll22]

I too am experiencing this awful, burnt chemical taste with 2 of my atty's. I am still relatively new to vaping, almost 3 weeks now, so at first I thought it was just me. After a few minutes the taste went away, so I figured I was all set now. Boy was I wrong, that nasty tast came back and it really makes me nausious. The problem is I'm waiting for some new atty's to come in and the other one I have is broken, so I'm forced to use the bad one, at least until the new ones come in. It's either that or smoke more analogs. I really hope this issue doesn't continue, it's really discouraging when the taste is that bad. I am looking forward to see what Sun Vaper comes up with.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Gooddog has requested that I post my findings based on my experience with 510 atomizers that I purchased from various Suppliers.

I bought ten 510 atomizers (I am not going to name the vendors–and it is not their fault anyway in my opinion, rather it is a manufacture issue). Of these ten, four of them emitted a foul taste as has been reported with so many 510 users. I used straight PG and cut VG to rule out e-liquid and drip smoked to rule out melting polyester batting right out of the box. (I have not used cartridges of any kind and only drip smoke for over a year now anyway).

Using stock 510 batteries, these four atomizers gave off a nasty burnt taste. After disassembly of two of the atomizers, I can preliminarily conclude that the nickel mesh bridge wicking is inferior and is burning instead of just heating.

There are only three components in an atomizer that could be subject to burn: (1) the coil; (2) the fiberglass wick that the coil surrounds; and (3) the nickel mesh bridge.

Upon disassembly of two of the four atomizers, I found the coils to be in tack and the fiberglass wick to have no discoloration. I removed the mesh, as I have done on so many other atomizers to find that the nickel mesh had a tinged blue and grey color and a slight burnt smell that also crumpled in upon manipulation. The mesh in most atomizers has no smell or discoloration and does not fall apart or crumple like this mesh.

With another of the four atomizers, I removed the nickel mesh bridge and drip smoked the atomizer with the coil in tact only to still have this foul taste. The taste would not dissipate even with removal of the visible wicking bridge. I can conclude that this removal of the bridge did not work simply because the metal wicking also goes under and around the visible part of the coil and can only be removed when the entire atomizer is disassembled.

I then disassembled one of the atomizers that did not emit any foul taste of the ten that I purchased only to find that there was no discoloration, smell, or crumpling of the nickel metal wicking material.


Bottom line---- four of the ten 510 atomizers that I purchased, employ an inferior mesh wicking bridge that burns and emits a foul taste, and that no cleaning of any kind can be done to abrogate the problem. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with user error as this metal wicking bridge is not suppose to burn or emit such a taste and needs to be rectified at the manufactures level.

As a Consumer, I can not say how wide spread the issue is, but I can say that I get reports of it every day.
　
Sun

 

[GoodDog]

Thank you, Sun Vaporer. I appreciate you taking this seriously and for your tests. What a sacrifice considering the horrible taste of the bad ones!!

So, what do you recommend we do from here? I don't want to drop the ball on this in case there are safety or health concerns.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Thank you, Sun Vaporer. I appreciate you taking this seriously and for your tests. What a sacrifice considering the horrible taste of the bad ones!!

So, what do you recommend we do from here? I don't want to drop the ball on this in case there are safety or health concerns.

Gooddog--all anyone can do is make it well known to the Supplier so the Supplier has the opportunity to contact the Manufacture. If enough Suppliers complain, the Manufacturer's will take up the issue and rectify it. I do not use the 510. I used it when it first came out and found the battery life lacking (that was before they came out with Mega's)

If it was me I would switch to the 901 employing an adaptor until the issue clears if I could not find a Supplier for the 510, that can supply me with atomizers that are not defective.


Sun

 

[tiempo]

Thank you so much, Sun for figuring this out!

 

[CaptJay]

It would also help the manufacturer to trace the bad shipment if they know that x x and x suppliers are returning stuff they can track it perhaps to x shipment they sent out.

 

[Kate51]

Hate to say this, but we need a Toyota moment! Or a Houston we have a problem.
Just had another new 801 go dank on me, inside found 4 loose threads, one in the very bottom, almost looked like it was snagged inside the lower mesh, not the bridge. It was charred.
Sorry, I've been trying to find a Thread for 801 complaints but had to pass for now. Maybe will have more time tomorrow.

 

[devilmaycare]

I started to get the burnt taste one night at a friends house. I thought I was just drunk at the time and it was a combination of the tequila and flavor of the ejuice. lol