Burnt taste with all my attys

[rosesense]

So if I understand correctly, you are saying the horrible smell I found on the wick threads I pulled out that looked burned, could not burn so it would be liquid on the threads that burned? They had the awful smell and sure looked burned on edges so something was burning on those threads.

Without taking it apart and destroying the atty, what is the best way to get that black, charred crud off the coil?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

So if I understand correctly, you are saying the horrible smell I found on the wick threads I pulled out that looked burned, could not burn so it would be liquid on the threads that burned? They had the awful smell and sure looked burned on edges so something was burning on those threads.

Without taking it apart and destroying the atty, what is the best way to get that black, charred crud off the coil?

Rose --there really is only a few things that will in fact remove that residue---and one of them is the dry burn. Check out the Experiment Forum here. What appears to be "burned" is in reality residue e-liquid that is hard as cement.


Sun

 

[Remie]

Hi rosesense,

There are threads devoted to various methods of "atomizer cleaning" and people use everything from "dry burning" to pressurized hand held steam cleaners to utrasonic jewelry cleaners, vodka... etc.

I've only cleaned two atomizers, but I chose the "Crest Pro Health" mouthwash soak. It seemed to work fine and didn't kill my atomizers.

Soaking them in a cup or container of very hot water and agitating them, then rinsing them under hot water has even been reported to work for some people.

Check around in the "Tips and Tricks" section and read through some of the threads regarding atomizer cleaning and decide what seems like something you want to try.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

When people say "I clean My atomizer with XYZ and it appears to work great", that really means "I rinse my atomizer to clear out excess e-liquid and flavor. There are only three know ways to actually clean the residue from an atomizer.

There is a big difference between washing off the atomizer and actually removing the residual.

After taking apart over 50 working atomizers to see what actually works and what is just pure fiction, we found:

(1) Dry burn for 15 second;

(2) Wet burn with Hydrogen Peroxide for 30 seconds;

(3) High Precentage phosphoric acid soak with a long rise.

The first one carries no risks, the 2nd and 3rd carry risk for the simple reason that you never know if you have washed out all the solution from the atomizer and you do not want to inhale any residual of the cleaning solutions.

The use of boiling, lemon juice, denture cleaner, waterpicks, vinegar, backing soda, alcohol, etc, all will clear out excess e-liquid and dillute a left over flavor, but simply will not remove and "clean" built up residual from the atomizer.


Sun

 

[rosesense]

Thanks everyone. I have been doing the dry burn but wasn't sure if that was the best way to get rid of the residue.

 

[goodmand]

Well I'm a tinkerer and tech. Usually I find that if you can identify a problem then it isn't to hard to find a solution. I appreciate the people on here because you all seem real and real smart also. Thanks for posting the pics of the coils that is really cool. One thing I didn't really get to see as I was ripping apart my atty. LOL. I mean I was really hoping I was wrong because that would mean I was vaping some nasty stuff over the past few weeks. But when I took it apart and found all that black crap like coal I thought for sure there was some kinda combustion of the wrong materials going on there. I've been smoke free for over 18 days and counting. Because I have to pull so hard on my atty. I would say that I'm increasing my lung capacity also. Now there's a win win. I guess the answer is get a new atty. for better vapor production.

 

[Kelemvor]

After taking apart over 50 working atomizers to see what actually works and what is just pure fiction, we found:

(1) Dry burn for 15 second;

(2) Wet burn with Hydrogen Peroxide for 30 seconds;

(3) High Precentage phosphoric acid soak with a long rise.


Sun

4) with G120 Cartomizers you can use a toothbrush after you soaked them into CC or mouthwash. on these atomizers you can have direct access to the coil. G220 mini carto and G500 Pipe are a bit harder to get to the coil, but its possible.

its even possible to replace the coil and fibres easier than on any other atomizer.

 

[yyzdnl]

Another burnt taster here and my atty’s have been burning out quickly also. Only got about 3 batteries out of one last week. It tasted awful I could see cherry red with just a tap on the switch. I was actually glad it died it was pretty nasty and melted the cart I was using (yes I know correct placement).

Took the advice from this thread and ordered the 510 to 901 converter and couple of 901 carts from vaporkings.com. I also ordered 4 of thier compatible Joye atomizers thinking if it is a production problem the after market product may not have the same issue.

Results:
901 on 510 battery = less vapor and no burnt flavor. I didn’t get an increase in flavor that I have read is an advantage in the 901. I made a quick blue foam mode for the new whistle tip cart. I kind of like this cart although it is a bit longer than the 510 round I think it holds less juice.

After market 510 atomizer, almost same as above maybe a bit more vapor. My 510 blue foam carts are well sized for my juice so that could account for the better vape. Actually looking at the parts this atomizer resembles a 901 more than a 510. Like the 901 there is a stainless steel washer on top of the burner.

Bottom line is buy the cheap compatible with Joye 510 atomizer no converters neded and good burnt free vape.

I can't paste urls yet so you are after the "Matte black Joye 510 compatible e-Cigarette atomizer" at VaporKings.com

Maybe someone with a higher post count will post a direct link.

Enjoy,
Daniel

 

[lasttango]

Burnt atty taste was cured by direct dripping on the wick... learned this here... hope that this fix lasts. I am wondering... my other PV is a Vapor King... carts last me almost a day of vaping... whereas these 510/ego/dura carts seem to last me about 25 drags before I need to drip... is this possible?

 

[PaulCincy]

Hello,
I have heard so many good things about the 510,,,and I almost bought one,,,but decided on the Ego instead....for no other reason then the battery...
I also have the burnt taste, but only when the cart is almost dry.....Before that,
it is great...and I mean great...Been through one atty so far,,,but only been at this
since Feb 11....so time will tell...
Take care,,,,and please don't return to the "Living Waiting to Die" crowd...
Later,
PaulCincy...

 

[Remie]

Hi lasttango - glad your problem was solved by dripping. You are lucky, you didn't have one of the problem atomizers that this thread is addressing. 25 drags seems pretty good to me on a 510 cart, I often get a lot less than that. Cartomizers are a different animal and do last longer. So, the answer to your question is - yes

yyzdnl - glad that you were able to solve your problem as well. Not every Joye 510 atomizer is problematic. There are several suppliers that carry compatible 510 parts. If you seem to be having problems or just want to try non-joye atomizers, it's worth asking the supplier what manufacturer's 510 parts and kits they are selling if you don't see it listed on the web sites.

A lot of us who have experienced the problem have ordered "non joye" atomizers. A lot of us who experienced this problem are using Joye 510 atomizers that do not have the problem. It wasn't an issue with every single Joye 510 atomizer, but an issue that was being reported frequently.

If you want more specific information about the problem addressed in this thread, read back through it, and you will get a good idea of the problem and the cause

 

[yyzdnl]

If you want more specific information about the problem addressed in this thread, read back through it, and you will get a good idea of the problem and the cause

I have and I did, why else would I have bought a converter to 901 and aftermarket atomizers in the first pace? Thank you Sun Vaporer.

I just thought I would share my results for others.

What ever,
Daniel

 

[Janie47]

Bottom line is buy the cheap compatible with Joye 510 atomizer no converters neded and good burnt free vape.

I can't paste urls yet so you are after the "Matte black Joye 510 compatible e-Cigarette atomizer" at VaporKings.com

Maybe someone with a higher post count will post a direct link.

Enjoy,
Daniel

Hey Daniel! I totally agree with purchasing the 510 compatibles, but didn't know where to find them until now. Thanks a bunch! Madvapes carries these as well, but have been out of stock for several days now. I just ordered a couple from Vapor Kings, as you suggested. Here is the link http://www.vaporkings.com.

 

[Janie47]

I have and I did, why else would I have bought a converter to 901 and aftermarket atomizers in the first pace? Thank you Sun Vaporer.

I just thought I would share my results for others.

What ever,
Daniel

Wow Daniel, why the attitude? Did I miss something? I think you somehow misinterpreted what Remie was saying?

Please be nice to Remie. She's so nice and helpful to all of us.

 

[Remie]

Hi Janie! It's ok - I may not have used a good tone of voice when I wrote that post, or chose words that came across the way I intended them to.

Daniel, if what I posted was insulting or off-putting in any way, I apologize. I didn't write it with any mal-intent. I probably didn't thoroughly absorb what you wrote in your post, and for that I am sorry too.

I too purchase non-joye atomizers when a bunch of us were having the problem and didn't have any answers. We were being told it was "new user error" and it was really frustrating. I in no way ever want to make anyone else feel like that!

 

[MalabarFront]

I got my SLB 510 attys in last Friday and I've been using one since then to compare with my recent Joye 510 experiences.

The first thing I tried was vaping the darker e-juice that simply wouldn't work with my other 510s. This went OK - maybe not tons of vapor but definitely nicotine delivery. Vaping with other e-liquids and PG/VG combinations worked fine as well.

Since my Joyes were taking a long time to glow when I tried a dry burn cleaning, I thought I'd verify that these functional SLBs did, in fact, respond more quickly. Much to my surprise, I could never get a visible glow. Somehow these things work but at an (apparently) much lower temperature...

I'm at a loss here - does it make sense that a cooler atty would do a better job vaping than a hotter one?

 

[yyzdnl]

Daniel, if what I posted was insulting or off-putting in any way, I apologize. I didn't write it with any mal-intent. I probably didn't thoroughly absorb what you wrote in your post, and for that I am sorry too.

Not at all, I was to short with my response, I'm a big lurker but not a great talker.

I was most excited to find my parts in mail and quick to post b4 I caught up and read about the aftermarket SLB/JSB atomizers in this thread. So you were right after all, and that is what I bought from Vapor/King (SLB/JSB) and I am sure they are available through many retailers. It is nice they spell it out on their web site so you know what you are buying.

After switching back and forth between atomizers tonight, I do think the 901 has the flavor edge. Maybe the burnt taste on my tongue is starting to fade. I don’t know how to describe it but the 901 feels wetter, cooler, and my RY #4 flavors are more pronounced. The 901 parts will also fit in my 510 PCC so that is good. The 510 battery,901 converter, atty and whistle tip cart is about a ½” longer than the slandered 510 assembly.

Bottom line is buy the cheap compatible with Joye 510 atomizer no converters neded and good burnt free vape.

I have to take that back, if you are looking for options to the Joye 510 atty both the options I tried have merits. Right now I don’t have a clue what I will re-order when the time comes.

Daniel

 

[GoodDog]

I'm at a loss as to what to order next also. Even my eGo attys make my mouth burn although not as bad as the regular Joye attys. The 901 doesn't make my mouth hurt but I don't get the TH I need. Geez, should this be so hard? LOL I'm afraid to order any more Joyes until new stock is checked.

 

[AlexTM]

First of all, let me say that it is definitely a bad batch, and not a general problem. So far I have stumbled over one suspected case in the German forum, which is not that small, either. I myself never had that problem, either.
(That was the reason I suggested a list of suppliers with date of purchase. Nobody holds them responsible, but it sure would be good to know. It might actually also help them to identify the atties they should not really sell any more.)

The other thing is, I believe that Janty could, with reasonable certainty, be burned-free, since they do have, AFAIK, one or two different parts in their 510 atties. It at least lessens the chance of them being affected, too. Mind you, I have heard that, but never followed the story through, so that is not exactly certain. But may be worth a try, or at least a mail to Janty, asking them. And even their TAWAs have a 24hr warranty, so if they are affected, they could be returned.

 

[orlampagal]

I've had the same problem with the 510 atty's. What I do is that when they aren't working right (pulling real hard to get any) and they smell bad/taste bad, I do the soaking in the crest pro health (for a day) and then let them sit in water for a couple of days. Then I let them air dry for a week or so. Then you reprime and it should have gotten rid of the yucky taste. I also buy the "disposable" atty's from mad vapes (comes in a kit) and I have noticed these last longer than the ones from eastmall.

The batteries are also lasting longer than the regular manual batteries. 9 bucks gets you a new cart, new atty and new battery.

Good Luck.