That's correct. We're going after AB6. It's the one last "easy" shot we have. If AB6 passes without amendments things will get increasingly more difficult from that point forward.
CALIFORNIA VAPERS: Things are getting ugly...
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That's correct. We're going after AB6. It's the one last "easy" shot we have. If AB6 passes without amendments things will get increasingly more difficult from that point forward.
Stefan, God bless you and you're right--you have to pick your battles in order to win the war.
What can we, individuals, do--other than answer CTAs, make phone calls, send letters and donate money?
What can we, individuals, do--other than answer CTAs, make phone calls, send letters and donate money?
Stefan the Tornado blew in, woohoo! Good to see you! Any help, guidance, suggestions you can give us as we work through this would be wonderful. I know you're overly busy, but we're kind of floundering here. Overwhelmed. I know a number of us can't get to Sacramento no matter how much we wish we could just to show strength in numbers. Thank you for all you do and for stopping in. 
Education time; I see often that people refer to the FDA deeming vapor products at tobacco products and confusing it with the state definition that they have constantly attempted to pass. Both of those things are different. I know this sounds strange but a federal definition does not directly affect state law. Federal tobacco laws apply when the FDA deems it to be tobacco but that does not mean state laws automatically apply as well. For that the state needs to adopt a definition that vapor products are tobacco products.... which then causes all the state tobacco laws to apply. So for what we're looking at, the FDA deeming it as tobacco is largely irrelevant. Even after they deem it, the state battle will still continue (if we can stave it off again in the next weeks, that is).
Keep doing that. If possible also showing up at the actual hearings will help (properly dressed and well behaved haha). Most of all, I think we need more consumer pressure on shops that are not involved or are in need of education. I would advise strongly against the hardline approach of "if you aren't part of all that we'll blast you" because that only makes them dig in their heels and so far has been a strategy that has not worked out for anyone. Make advocacy integral to their business, make it something fun and exciting, make it something they WANT to get involved in. That's sort of one of the minor successes of [HASHTAG]#notblowingsmoke[/HASHTAG] in that it has created a small spark that is causing a little bit of a wave amongst demographics that have traditionally shied away from anything advocacy related. Of course, we don't even use the word advocacy in most of the stuff we do since somehow it causes people to think "boring, complicated, not fun, bleh". Ask them to campaign for vapor. To be champions for the cause to end death and disease caused by combustible tobacco. We need to change the narrative to get others to join in and feel like they are doing something worthwhile that is *not* boring.
@StefanDidak --before you leave--I don't know where you are on this thread right now, but please make sure that this information, copied from an earlier post by Bill G., gets delivered to the committee. It's a sea change--at least in Great Britain:
Printed copies of the Public Health England's press release at
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...on_for_evidence_based_policy_and_practice.pdf
and perhaps even copies of PHE's full report at
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ort_commissioned_by_Public_Health_England.pdf
should be sent (or hand delivered) to every CA Senator and all CA Assembly Cmte members who are considering these anti-vaping bills.
Printed copies of the Public Health England's press release at
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...on_for_evidence_based_policy_and_practice.pdf
and perhaps even copies of PHE's full report at
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ort_commissioned_by_Public_Health_England.pdf
should be sent (or hand delivered) to every CA Senator and all CA Assembly Cmte members who are considering these anti-vaping bills.
Yes, indeed. Because, Tutu, this thread is REFRESHING!
Well, it's much happier than it was last night...
I'm honored to be here with you.... all of you. The brightest of the bunch seems to be attracted to this thread.
Interesting what he's said about FDA deeming. I've wondered about that. Think other stuff and state legalization.
Right, I actually do understand that. My post was saying that the "starter bills" defining vapor as tobacco in the state of California would make the new age of 21 apply in California, no need to wait for the FDA. And while a federal definition wouldn't automatically change California law, it would make it that much easier to get bills like these passed.
In case I haven't said it lately, thank you!
I did post messages to the fb pages of the two shops near me that I'm most familiar with. Living in Sacramento, you'd think going to the hearings would be easy for me, but life is a bit hectic on my end. I will try for Tuesday, but can't make any promises. Actually, I'll be taking my daughter to the dentist that morning, not an appointment we can move.
Yes, do. Promise her tofu ice cream, whatever it takes.
Well, it was good to hear from him. I just knew he'd be marshaling an army.
Well, it was good to hear from him. I just knew he'd be marshaling an army.
Bring the daughter and the dentist to the hearings afterwards.
she'll be getting "oral sedation" and nitrous, for the first time, I don't think she'll be fit to go anywhere afterward. I will see if I can leave her home with mom, but again, no promises.
Right.
I wish I lived closer to Sacramento... Hey, Kat, how do you feel about a road trip?
So will the members of the committee. Have you seen the video? They all look like they are sedated... She'll fit right in!
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