Can/should one use Kanger ni200 OCC .15 ohm coils on Xpro M80 Plus?

[ddirtyvapes]

Ugh it's been so long since I've been here so apologies if this isn't in the right place.

The subject is fairly self explanatory. I've had this Xpro M80 Plus for a couple of months now and while I know the performance overall has seemed a bit iffy in the earlier models, I've had a pretty good experience with mine. Actually the first one I got had an internal issue but once replaced, my current device has been doing great for the price. I have a bunch of tanks but I use the Subtank mini most often.

Anyway, the M80 has the v0006 chip so I think that was meant to solve some of the temperature control issues found in the earlier versions, but I'm not sure what the consensus is as to whether or not that goal was reached. I got a couple of the .15 ni200 nickel OCC heads but I'm not totally sure if it's OK to run them on the M80 plus. I'd rather not light anything on fire.

As a side note, could someone explain the whole point of temperature control mode for me, please? Is it "don't go above this temperature" and it's still going to fire and whatever wattage you set it at, or is it something else entirely? Before this I was pretty happy with my V2 Provari with slightly upgraded internals, so this was a big change for me...

Probably should have asked before I bought any but I only got two and have plenty of 1.2s and .5s so whatever.

TIA, it's good to be back.

 

[Completely Average]

As a side note, could someone explain the whole point of temperature control mode for me, please? Is it "don't go above this temperature" and it's still going to fire and whatever wattage you set it at, or is it something else entirely? Before this I was pretty happy with my V2 Provari with slightly upgraded internals, so this was a big change for me...

Can't help you with the rest since I have absolutely no experience with that mod, but this question I can answer.

The way temperature control works is you set the maximum temperature and also set your wattage. The mod should initially fire at the set wattage until the desired temperature is achieved and then the mod will automatically start reducing the wattage to maintain the temperature. Usually it will be running at 20W or less, but a higher initial wattage setting means a faster heatup time.

 

[AnsonJames]

No point in using the Nickel coils on the M80+ as temp control doesn't work on it - even though it's advertised as a TC device.

 

[ddirtyvapes]

At this point I've gotten an even 50/50 split between yes and no, here and elsewhere. So... no point because they won't work as well, or is it actually unsafe? It doesn't bother me if it won't work as well as it would on a device with a fully functional TC but it's also not important enough if something is going to blow up.

And can I clarify that your response is based on the v0006 update? I'm not being combative, just checking. As far as I've seen I don't think that really fixed the problem anyway, so I assume so, but on the other hand I think earlier versions were even worse.

 

[DanJiblets]

At this point I've gotten an even 50/50 split between yes and no, here and elsewhere. So... no point because they won't work as well, or is it actually unsafe? It doesn't bother me if it won't work as well as it would on a device with a fully functional TC but it's also not important enough if something is going to blow up.

And can I clarify that your response is based on the v0006 update? I'm not being combative, just checking. As far as I've seen I don't think that really fixed the problem anyway, so I assume so, but on the other hand I think earlier versions were even worse.

I can't say 100% but they should still work regardless and be safe. I think they're just saying the temp control won't work right. It's still a regulated mod. Sorry hopefully somebody else can come assure you of this.

 

[AnsonJames]

Stick to Kanthal,

I've seen Nickel coils setting cotton on fire on the M80 so it's getting too hot, I'm unsure of the science but Nickel supposed to produce undesirable stuff when it gets to a certain temp.
The M80 is absolutely fine for Kanthal, I'd get another device if you want temp limiting control.

 

[ddirtyvapes]

I want to preface this by saying that I do not ask for advice just to ignore it, nor do I vape anything I don't know enough about before I get whatever answers I can. However, I ended up speaking to a few people who are very familiar with the Xpro, two of who ran a whole a bunch of tests on it, including a guy from here. All felt the nickel coils work just fine even if the temperature mode doesn't work exactly as it should. All of them used .15-.2 ohm nickel coils on their M80s, some extensively. I understand there's a certain amount of risk involved in choosing to use them, but after deciding to go ahead and try I'm not exactly itching to make a big switch or anything. I just wanted to be able to use the two I got and not waste the money, and I may even end up giving away the second one.

So... I am using one of them now, and it's working well. Frankly I don't like it any better than the .5 ohm OCCs, though maybe I would if I had a device that has a fully-functioning TC mode. Once I'm done with this coil, though (and maybe the second), I'll be back to the .5s and 1.2s.

I really appreciate the advice from everyone, so thank you.

 

[mr.fabe]

Ugh it's been so long since I've been here so apologies if this isn't in the right place.

The subject is fairly self explanatory. I've had this Xpro M80 Plus for a couple of months now and while I know the performance overall has seemed a bit iffy in the earlier models, I've had a pretty good experience with mine. Actually the first one I got had an internal issue but once replaced, my current device has been doing great for the price. I have a bunch of tanks but I use the Subtank mini most often.

Anyway, the M80 has the v0006 chip so I think that was meant to solve some of the temperature control issues found in the earlier versions, but I'm not sure what the consensus is as to whether or not that goal was reached. I got a couple of the .15 ni200 nickel OCC heads but I'm not totally sure if it's OK to run them on the M80 plus. I'd rather not light anything on fire.

As a side note, could someone explain the whole point of temperature control mode for me, please? Is it "don't go above this temperature" and it's still going to fire and whatever wattage you set it at, or is it something else entirely? Before this I was pretty happy with my V2 Provari with slightly upgraded internals, so this was a big change for me...

Probably should have asked before I bought any but I only got two and have plenty of 1.2s and .5s so whatever.

TIA, it's good to be back.

From the Smoktech Website... an excerpt

In it's entirety...

SMOK® X Pro Plus (M80) - Vaporizer Mod

 

[ddirtyvapes]

^ Thank you for that. However, the fundamental problem is that the M80 TC (somewhat unsurprisingly) doesn't actually work as advertised, which makes whatever other claims the company made about it potentially moot. I was pretty sure from the get-go that Smok said you can use nickel coils in TC but-- in light of the fact the device doesn't have true temp control-- wasn't sure how much that was really worth. Still, I guess as it turns out they're right in the sense it's possible and I appreciate you attaching it to the thread either way.

 

[mr.fabe]

^ Thank you for that. However, the fundamental problem is that the M80 TC (somewhat unsurprisingly) doesn't actually work as advertised, which makes whatever other claims the company made about it potentially moot. I was pretty sure from the get-go that Smok said you can use nickel coils in TC but-- in light of the fact the device doesn't have true temp control-- wasn't sure how much that was really worth. Still, I guess as it turns out they're right in the sense it's possible and I appreciate you attaching it to the thread either way.

I tried it and compared it to my SX Mini... No worky. I still enjoy the M80 for the battery life. Just not for TC

 

[ddirtyvapes]

I tried it and compared it to my SX Mini... No worky. I still enjoy the M80 for the battery life. Just not for TC

Yeah, no big surprises there. I've still got the nickel in my Nano and a .5 in the Mini and the .5 is doing way better. But I'm glad I can use the two nickel coils I have to some extent and nothing has blown up or set fire yet. I don't think I have any real use for such low resistance coils anyway, at least not right at this moment. I like a cooler vape regardless. Hell, I actually really like the 1.2 ohm OCCs because they have more versatility with my older devices incapable of sub-ohming.

Thanks again.

 

[classwife]

moved you to Temperature Control

 

[ddirtyvapes]

I wasn't sure if the M80's pseudo-TC fit the bill for an actual TC-related question. Thank you!

 

[chopdoc]

I am using an M80 plus and it wont let me run my .08 Ni200 coils yet I can run them on my Evic VT or IPV4's. But I discovered something even better. The M80 Plus lets me do temp control with kanthal.

I know everyone says its not possible to do TC with kanthal yet. Ok, fine, its not possible, yet I have ran my Lemo II completely dry three time while in temp mode on the M80 Plus and have yet to get a dry hit. What I did get was a noticably cooler vape which made me look and sure enough the tank was dry. I kept vaping it just to see and vapor went to almost nothing with no flavor. I refilled the tank and it went back to a good amount of vapor with great taste.
I am running a 28 ga kanthal coil at .49 ohms, the M80 is set to 430 F, 80 watts. While vaping it, it will initially go to 19.7 watts then up to 33 watts and maintain from there. On a regulated mod I always liked the Lemo II at around 30 watts so with the M80 in TC mode its perfect for me.

I dont know what version my M80 is and I dont really want to hit the reset and have to reset the time and everything again but I received mine new on July 23rd so I take it that its is the latest and greatest version.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

I had no luck with tc on the kanger ni200 occ coils. Resistance was all over the place on my ipv4. Ni200 worked fine in the rba or any other device that I've used though.

 

[chopdoc]

I had no luck with tc on the kanger ni200 occ coils. Resistance was all over the place on my ipv4. Ni200 worked fine in the rba or any other device that I've used though.

I was able to run Ni200 26 awg coils in my STM's on both my Evic and IPV4's. They came out right at .05 ohms and vaped fine. When I moved up to awg 28 wire the resistance in my IPV4's started going all over the place. With the IPV4's, when its cold set the resistance and then forget about them.

 

[crxess]

Resistance readings fluctuating are generally about connection, not wire type.
Some have done well with the STM and others not so much. This is an indicator it is not the wire.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

I was able to run Ni200 26 awg coils in my STM's on both my Evic and IPV4's. They came out right at .05 ohms and vaped fine. When I moved up to awg 28 wire the resistance in my IPV4's started going all over the place. With the IPV4's, when its cold set the resistance and then forget about them.

The rba was consistant. The premade occ coils were not. Going by how the leads are secured I'm not too surprised. Small differences that may not matter on kantal can be a large difference with nickel.