Can You Explain Temp Control Vaping to an Old Fart ?

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Hah! I had no idea. TY, Ms. Opinionated! One learns something every day. :D

Haha. .. was way to early for me when I read that. ..

They really are claiming tc for a straightforward kanthal coil..

Cool! Wonder how they did it...bet everyone is wondering.. that would be a huge breakthrough if it really works..
 

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BUT does it do it well? That is the real question. If it uses a single TCR value for it,the answer is going to be a resounding NO.
I don't have a Hohmtech device so can't say personally, but plenty of people who have them swear by them. I don't think they do kanthal tc through tcr but they sure seem to do some kind of tc with kanthal. The company publishes complicated nonsense jargon to explain how their devices work so that doesn't help much in understanding it.

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I hope this discussion doesn't devolve into one of those "My way is better" donnybrooks. I'm outta here if it does. Everyone likes different stuff. Some of us like the same stuff for different reasons. And on and on. Hopefully we can keep this discussion constructive.

And it was said of my statement...
LOL

I was thinking of replying to him with "Bye Felecia" but I decided that might not be received well so I ignored it. I really don't think this is going to devolve into anything anyway.

This is why I said what I said...
You seem to think I am trying to get you to believe something. I am not....


But if you want to trade snide remarks....I can happily do so

Dude you are taking :censored: way too seriously and personally. My Alcatraz comment wasn't even directed AT you, it was directed at suckers that buy snake oil. I thought that was obvious. I also have a bridge I could sell them. My second reply again was simply what it would take for me to believe. Meaning I don't consider that reviewer trustworthy. I did not think you were trying to influence my beliefs. I don't care if you were. If you believe or not is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. Lighten up, this is supposed to be a fun place.

It appears there are others who saw it the same as I.
 

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I never indicated that I believed it worked. I simply stated that a manufacturer made such a claim.

Now back to reality

Though this reviewer says it does work
Hohm Wrecker G2 Review - Can It Really Do TC with Kanthal?
Well, like I mentioned, we know that resistance changes with temperature, and we know that Kanthal's properties are such that it's difficult to measure the relationship with that material.

Doesn't mean it's impossible.

I also know that Smoant is fiddling with temp control on Nichrome, because I've tried it using my Battlestar and got a very smooth, satisfying vape with a tank using a Nichrome coil.

I have no fancy schmancy measuring doohickies but I know a dry hit when I get one, and I didn't even get a warning hit until I exceeded the wattage setting recommended by the tank's manufacturer.
 

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    My deal is that regardless of what device I pick up, I'll adjust things so that I get the exact same vape.
    So what devices/methods are the easiest to get that vape that I want?
    Unfortunately, TC ends up being the Rube Goldberg of all methods.
    And, mechanical/RDA is the simplest.
    #1 charge battery
    #2 wrap coil
    #3 drip
     
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    Hopefully someone chimes in I mean I did set it at 80 watts 450 f but not sure what the difference is from just power mode

    What resistance? That will help determine the watts, but as long as it's not giving any bad initital taste your setting is fine. I personally like it at 465F but that is me. Anywhere between 430-465 should be fine.
     

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    The old mech vs. VW vs. TC thread. 5 pages in and no one has gotten a mod warning yet is pretty impressive.

    My simple contribution. All 3 provide current to heat up a wire to vaporize juice. One does it by simply delivering whatever current is available from the battery. Advantage, really simple but requires the user to choose the wire and configuration of that wire to something safe and satisfying to vape. The current will change with every draw as the battery discharges and the voltage available decreases.

    Second, VW, delivers a constant current to the wire regardless of the battery state (within reason). Advantage, protections to keep the user from doing something really stupid really easily. Second advantage, if your coil/build isn't exactly what you wanted, you can fiddle around with the wattage to make up the difference. It also allows you to use overpriced factory coils in an atty to save you the whole build/wick stuff.

    Third, TC. Instead of a constant current, it's adjusted in "real time" to maintain the resistance increase that occurs with heating a wire which is the same as the temperature of the wire if you set it up to correctly know the TCR of the metal chosen. Advantage, dry hit protection (a lot of work for just that, but it's still hyped). Real difference to the first two methods, a constant vape temp for as long as long as you choose to hold the fire button down. With a mech or VW, the longer you hold the fire button, the hotter the vape gets. In TC that doesn't occur. It's a personal preference which you prefer as to vape satisfaction.

    Pick whichever method makes you happy.

    As for TC and safety of the vapor you're breathing in, the testing and data are still coming in. Common sense, if you heat your VG/PG up way high it will break down to produce VOC, which aren't the bestest things to breathe in. Whether TC is the only way to achieve that in real life remains to be confirmed or not. And it is a completely different issue that's just a distraction to the question what's the difference in the quality of the vape between the three methods we have of heating up that wire.
     

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    The old mech vs. VW vs. TC thread. 5 pages in and no one has gotten a mod warning yet is pretty impressive.

    My simple contribution. All 3 provide current to heat up a wire to vaporize juice. One does it by simply delivering whatever current is available from the battery. Advantage, really simple but requires the user to choose the wire and configuration of that wire to something safe and satisfying to vape. The current will change with every draw as the battery discharges and the voltage available decreases.

    Second, VW, delivers a constant current to the wire regardless of the battery state (within reason). Advantage, protections to keep the user from doing something really stupid really easily. Second advantage, if your coil/build isn't exactly what you wanted, you can fiddle around with the wattage to make up the difference. It also allows you to use overpriced factory coils in an atty to save you the whole build/wick stuff.

    Third, TC. Instead of a constant current, it's adjusted in "real time" to maintain the resistance increase that occurs with heating a wire which is the same as the temperature of the wire if you set it up to correctly know the TCR of the metal chosen. Advantage, dry hit protection (a lot of work for just that, but it's still hyped). Real difference to the first two methods, a constant vape temp for as long as long as you choose to hold the fire button down. With a mech or VW, the longer you hold the fire button, the hotter the vape gets. In TC that doesn't occur. It's a personal preference which you prefer as to vape satisfaction.

    Pick whichever method makes you happy.

    As for TC and safety of the vapor you're breathing in, the testing and data are still coming in. Common sense, if you heat your VG/PG up way high it will break down to produce VOC, which aren't the bestest things to breathe in. Whether TC is the only way to achieve that in real life remains to be confirmed or not. And it is a completely different issue that's just a distraction to the question what's the difference in the quality of the vape between the three methods we have of heating up that wire.

    Very nice summary/breakdown. I also personally find TC to be a smoother vape. I find that with VW it can get a slight bit harsher toward the end of a draw (not always though). I this is the point at which the temp goes a bit too high. However turning the wattage down reduces the vapor and flavor at the start of the draw. This is simply the nature of a steady wattage.
     

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    Very nice summary/breakdown. I also personally find TC to be a smoother vape. I find that with VW it can get a slight bit harsher toward the end of a draw (not always though). I this is the point at which the temp goes a bit too high. However turning the wattage down reduces the vapor and flavor at the start of the draw. This is simply the nature of a steady wattage.

    I prefer TC for just that reason, the even vape through the entire draw. I also like it for higher mass coils as I can get to temperature quickly but not end up with an overheated vape towards the end. But that entirely a personal preference.

    I still use VW when I want to use a simple drop in coil such as when traveling and I'm not in the mood to build and/or rewick in a hotel room. Gives me a fine vape for what it is.

    I also have a few mechs in my stash so that if a vapocalypse does happen, I have a simple mechanical system without a chip or screen to die. I can build them, but for ME they're not optimal as I don't like the fall off in the vape that occurs as the battery discharges. All three are useful based on preference and circumstance.
     
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    The old mech vs. VW vs. TC thread. 5 pages in and no one has gotten a mod warning yet is pretty impressive.

    My simple contribution. All 3 provide current to heat up a wire to vaporize juice. One does it by simply delivering whatever current is available from the battery. Advantage, really simple but requires the user to choose the wire and configuration of that wire to something safe and satisfying to vape. The current will change with every draw as the battery discharges and the voltage available decreases.

    Second, VW, delivers a constant current to the wire regardless of the battery state (within reason). Advantage, protections to keep the user from doing something really stupid really easily. Second advantage, if your coil/build isn't exactly what you wanted, you can fiddle around with the wattage to make up the difference. It also allows you to use overpriced factory coils in an atty to save you the whole build/wick stuff.

    Third, TC. Instead of a constant current, it's adjusted in "real time" to maintain the resistance increase that occurs with heating a wire which is the same as the temperature of the wire if you set it up to correctly know the TCR of the metal chosen. Advantage, dry hit protection (a lot of work for just that, but it's still hyped). Real difference to the first two methods, a constant vape temp for as long as long as you choose to hold the fire button down. With a mech or VW, the longer you hold the fire button, the hotter the vape gets. In TC that doesn't occur. It's a personal preference which you prefer as to vape satisfaction.

    Pick whichever method makes you happy.

    As for TC and safety of the vapor you're breathing in, the testing and data are still coming in. Common sense, if you heat your VG/PG up way high it will break down to produce VOC, which aren't the bestest things to breathe in. Whether TC is the only way to achieve that in real life remains to be confirmed or not. And it is a completely different issue that's just a distraction to the question what's the difference in the quality of the vape between the three methods we have of heating up that wire.
    And with this said, we can close this thread. :)
     

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    One extra benefit of TC: Tanks that were relegated to the failed experiment drawer for being dry hit machines might be worth resurrecting, assuming you can get wire material for them that are known to work in TC mode.

    Two examples:

    I never figured out the wicking on the Goblin 1.2. It either flooded or it scorched cotton and I never found the happy medium. That was about the time I stopped fiddlin' around with RBA's. I'm betting I have a shot at getting a cottony build to vape nicely with out the dry hits that made me put it aside.

    I optimistically bought an AnyVape Sega early this year because of 5+ml capacity, an RBA head and compatibility with Atlantis coils. I would curse that tank every third hit because of scorched cotton. It might get another chance now, too.
     

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    Everyone talks about vapepoclaypse but I don't understand does it mean in 4 year time if the goverment says no more vaping?

    Or the no trade with china?

    Nobody knows for sure, really, what the new administration is going to do.

    If you need to know more, I suggest you keep an eye on this section of the forum: Electronic Cigarette News and Campaigning | E-Cigarette Forum

    This thread is also ongoing-but has gotten awfully chatty lately: Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
    fluxates with the paranormal166

    Maybe it's just tonight? ;)

    Good luck!
     

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    For the TC mode all you really have to set is select the material and temperature. The watts are what are applied when the button is hit, the mod then throttles the watts to attempt to maintain the temperature. You can set the watt to anything at what the coil will use or above. If the watts are set high for the coil there is no damage just more throttling by the mod. More protection flashing on the screen
     
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