Capitalists, artisans and vaping

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fxRich

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Take a drip tip, I have a machine that will spit one out every 20 seconds or so. But there is at least $.50 worth of stainless steel involved, plus tooling, electricity, and other expenses involved. I thought about building a rba, but decided not to. Most retailers mark up a item by 100 to 300 %. I could make a profit selling them for $30 - $40 each but by the time retailers were done marking them up it would be closer to the $100 mark.
 

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I have a machine shop, And yes I have cnc machines. There is no way I can compete with the Chinese. Sometimes I can't buy the material to make something for the same price as the Chinese sell the finished product for. I have noticed a lot of the Chinese products are plated brass. I wonder if they use medical grade brass like we would have to here. Most brass contains lead, so when the plating wears off you are putting lead in your system. Just my opinion.

In applications like mods and attys, PRC shops just use whatever metals they get for cheap, so mystery metal, which more than likely contains lead...
 

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Hey smart guy on top of what's already said did you also know China subsidizes industry over there?

Its easy to claim this bs when all they do is copy.
I doubt they could engineer a kayfun4. If you think that's just talk go to svoe mesto and check out the parts diagram. Guy didn't pop this out overnight.



PS the subtanks are disposable coil junk based off of the kayfun/taifun design. You really use this throwaway junk as proof of innovation? Please.

Every tank since the Kayfun has copied the Kayfun. That includes many $100+ RTA's. The subtank is a really nice sub-ohm Kayfun clone that is better in a lot of ways.
 

Rickajho

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How do you know I cannot afford it?
I do not want it.

I am sorry you have to make such futile assumptions to support your point.

So your point in starting a rant thread about something you do not want would be... what exactly? Ok - "I'm tired...." Thanks for sharing.
 

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So your point in starting a rant thread about something you do not want would be... what exactly? Ok - "I'm tired...." Thanks for sharing.

You lost the meaning.
The thread is not about what I like and what I do not like. Not at all. It is about capitalists (who will win) and artisans (who can earn some money in their niche environment). Startlingly, capitalists are Chinese, artisans are American (German, Austrian, Greek...)
 

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I think you're confusing the term 'capitalist' with the term 'opportunist' here.
And the same might be true of the term 'making' versus the term 'producing', spoken of earlier.

Artists and artisans don't generally make things so that they can sell them. They tend to sell the things they make so they can continue to make the things they're good at making, and keep the passion and innovation going. And we all have to eat at the end of the day.
 

fxRich

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Yes some stainless steels do contain lead, makes them more machineable. If the alloy contains lead it will have a L after the alloy series. 304 stainless contains no lead, but 304L does have lead in it. I have been a machinist for almost 40 years, Alloys containing lead are easier to machine and are easier on tooling, not recommended to put in your mouth. Some alloys have the L in other places, like 12L14 which is a mild steel.
 

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Yes some stainless steels do contain lead, makes them more machineable. If the alloy contains lead it will have a L after the alloy series. 304 stainless contains no lead, but 304L does have lead in it. I have been a machinist for almost 40 years, Alloys containing lead are easier to machine and are easier on tooling, not recommended to put in your mouth. Some alloys have the L in other places, like 12L14 which is a mild steel.

Hmmm that's interesting as in mettalurgical studies we were taught the l stands for "L"ow carbon and that's what makes it softer
The data sheets for 316l list no lead 316-Chemical-Analysis.jpg

And this came direct from a steel manufacturer
Alloy 316/316L Austenitic Stainless Steel Plate - Sandmeyer Steel


Effect of carbon on corrosion resistance


The lower carbon 'variants' (316L) were established as alternatives to the 'standards' (316) carbon range grade to overcome the risk of intercrystalline corrosion


Not saying your wrong as I know SS contains trace amounts of lead but I have never heard of it being added on purpose.
 
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caramel

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Stainless steel with lead? Really?

He's technically correct. As a naturally occuring element, lead will be everywhere - at least as a stray atom or two.

What he's not saying is that those atoms will stay there in the atty (unless you swallow it that is).

Bohemia crystal contains 24% lead and nobody gets scared of that (except the x-ray guys at airports who will always want you to open the carry on).
 
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