Capitalists, artisans and vaping

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You better tell them people at the school where I learned Machining that they got it wrong.

That's OK I just weld it together and go I dunno I'm just a dumb welder do you want the piece or not. :D
I'll let you explain it to the customer I don't get paid for cust service lol
 
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Im putting a Roof on a water reservoir in San Rafael CA rt now when they were demoing the old basin the pipes were so old they were sealed buy smashing lead in to the joints. That has nothing to do with the thread but still interesting ;-)

Back in the 30's and 40's body shops used lead as filler to repair dents and damaged panels.
That's why they were called "Lead Sleds"

Also nothing to do with the thread but interesting.
 

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That's OK I just weld it together and go I dunno I'm just a dumb welder do you want the piece or not. :D
I'll let you explain it to the customer I don't get paid for cust service lol

On that note I was welding column splices on the 48th floor of a highrise about 15 years ago and my welds kept blowing out. Never ever had that happen before at first I thought bad rods so I went to the heater and opened a fresh can same thing. When I told the inspector I was told its cause its Pakistan steel and to just grind and reweld till it takes :blink: and we wonder why things are falling apart around us!
 

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Yes some stainless steels do contain lead, makes them more machineable. If the alloy contains lead it will have a L after the alloy series. 304 stainless contains no lead, but 304L does have lead in it. I have been a machinist for almost 40 years, Alloys containing lead are easier to machine and are easier on tooling, not recommended to put in your mouth. Some alloys have the L in other places, like 12L14 which is a mild steel.

That's not correct. Yes, some stainless has lead added, to enhance machineability; but that's not what the L designation is. The L is a designation for 'Low carbon'. For example, 304L contains half the carbon content of 304. 316L contains about half the carbon of 316, etc.


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That's not correct. Yes, some stainless has lead added, to enhance machineability; but that's not what the L designation is. The L is a designation for 'Low carbon'. For example, 304L contains half the carbon content of 304. 316L contains about half the carbon of 316, etc.


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Thats how they remove the carbon by adding lead. I just said it so it must be true! ;)
 

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To me when someone complains about price as a justification to buy a clone it reeks of entitlement. Why are you supposed to have something? If you cant afford something ether save up and buy it or get something you can afford. We seem to have lost the concept that quality is value.

Sorry, you are in a wrong place. We are not talking about clones here. But if you feel entitled to talk about clones, please continue.
 

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Yes some stainless steels do contain lead, makes them more machineable. If the alloy contains lead it will have a L after the alloy series. 304 stainless contains no lead, but 304L does have lead in it. I have been a machinist for almost 40 years, Alloys containing lead are easier to machine and are easier on tooling, not recommended to put in your mouth. Some alloys have the L in other places, like 12L14 which is a mild steel.

Sorry, you are very wrong here. 304L is a stainless steel, but it does not have lead, L stands for LOW carbon.
12L14 is not a stainless steel (it is rather cheap carbon steel) with lead. Some examples of lead in SS?
 

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Sorry, you are in a wrong place. We are not talking about clones here. But if you feel entitled to talk about clones, please continue.

It fit in the context of the posts preceding. I guess Im entitled to interpenetrate the conversation just as much as you seem entitled to play moderator with lame sarcastic comments.
 

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I think you're confusing the term 'capitalist' with the term 'opportunist' here.
And the same might be true of the term 'making' versus the term 'producing', spoken of earlier.

Capitalists are opportunists by definition. So, no confusion here.

Artists and artisans don't generally make things so that they can sell them. They tend to sell the things they make so they can continue to make the things they're good at making, and keep the passion and innovation going. And we all have to eat at the end of the day.

Yes, in medieval times artisans were one of the important forces of innovation. Now they are niche dwellers, most innovation comes from engineering, science, marketology (Steeve Jobs, for example). REO is a small thing in vaping, Subtank - much bigger.
 

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Capitalists are opportunists by definition. So, no confusion here.



Yes, in medieval times artisans were one of the important forces of innovation. Now they are niche dwellers, most innovation comes from engineering, science, marketology (Steeve Jobs, for example). REO is a small thing in vaping, Subtank - much bigger.

Oy! Credit where credit is due! It's the hobbyists/niche manufacturers who have made (I dare say) all innovation in the vaping world. Difference from medieval times is it doesn't take a couple of centuries for new ideas to travel the world. Gotta love hobby-driven innovation combined with the internet.
 

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Oy! Credit where credit is due! It's the hobbyists/niche manufacturers who have made (I dare say) all innovation in the vaping world. Difference from medieval times is it doesn't take a couple of centuries for new ideas to travel the world. Gotta love hobby-driven innovation combined with the internet.

You know, I agree with you. But these were medieval times for vaping. Now we are moving to capitalism. New times, new manufacturers, new designers.
 

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Oy! Credit where credit is due! It's the hobbyists/niche manufacturers who have made (I dare say) all innovation in the vaping world. Difference from medieval times is it doesn't take a couple of centuries for new ideas to travel the world. Gotta love hobby-driven innovation combined with the internet.

yea pretty cool how we went from juice bottle carto tanks to Phiniacs in less than a year Youtube and internet shopping is awesome. I managed to get a Kayfun 3.1 when it first hit the markets using a browser translator and dealing with a Russian gal named Olga ;-)
 

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You know, I agree with you. But these were medieval times for vaping. Now we are moving to capitalism. New times, new manufacturers, new designers.

That remains to be seen. People who work with high-tech stuff can be hobbyists too. If we move on to e.g nebulizers, I don't doubt that some techy hobbyist may improve on the designs.

These are some interesting times with the dawn of home-based manufacturing like 3D printers and more affordable/available CNC equipment. Maybe the future revenue stream for current authentic manufacturers will be through designs, not products. Then again the designs would be even easier to copy.
 

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That remains to be seen. People who work with high-tech stuff can be hobbyists too. If we move on to e.g nebulizers, I don't doubt that some techy hobbyist may improve on the designs.

These are some interesting times with the dawn of home-based manufacturing like 3D printers and more affordable/available CNC equipment. Maybe the future revenue stream for current authentic manufacturers will be through designs, not products. Then again the designs would be even easier to copy.

If the innovators want to survive, they should take a business class before hyping their latest product.

The biggest problem I see is most of the "innovators" don't have a clue how to operate a business.
They have an idea, make a few pieces, hype them like they are a huge company when they don't even have a business address.
They have no business lisc, and operate through a Facebook account.

No matter what industry you are in, when the innovating players don't even have a contact phone and can't manufacture 1000 units, they are begging to be knocked off. It's not just vapes, it's not just China.

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