Ce3s again

[awsum140]

You're welcome,glad I can help.

The CE3 holds ~1ml, actually just a little less. I generally fill a 5 or 10ml syringe and fill them wholesale. When filling I just fill them to the "bottom" of the wick holes. You also don't have to worry about air that may be in the syringe, at least if it's not a lot of air. A CE3 is full of air when "empty" that is vented out during the filling, so some minor air bubbles that may enter while filling are also vented in the same manner. Another little tip is to shake it like a fever thermometer with the tip end down to move the liquid away from the wick holes. This will keep liquid from being forced out as the CE3 is filled. That won't damage the CE3 but will make a mess that can be easily avoided.

Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.

 

[WorksForMe]

You're welcome,glad I can help.

The CE3 holds ~1ml, actually just a little less. I generally fill a 5 or 10ml syringe and fill them wholesale. When filling I just fill them to the "bottom" of the wick holes. You also don't have to worry about air that may be in the syringe, at least if it's not a lot of air. A CE3 is full of air when "empty" that is vented out during the filling, so some minor air bubbles that may enter while filling are also vented in the same manner. Another little tip is to shake it like a fever thermometer with the tip end down to move the liquid away from the wick holes. This will keep liquid from being forced out as the CE3 is filled. That won't damage the CE3 but will make a mess that can be easily avoided.

Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.

Awsum - Thanks for putting out information that debunks myths about the CE3 (pressure or vacuum, air bubbles in the syringe etc..). The things you say seem to come from your own knowledge and personal experience rather than just passing along bad information you've heard from others.

I found a good article online that helps in understanding why liquid stays in a CE3. It actually talks about why water stays in a straw, but the principle is the same.

Re: Why does water stay in a straw when you cover one end.

J.R.

 

[awsum140]

Basically the liquid stays in a CE3 or any similar device simply because it can't leak out, an obvious statement, needless to say. The trick is the "surface tension" and Boyles Law effect. where a surface or substance that is porous has holes or spaces too small for the droplets of the liquid to be able to flow through. There may be a temporary vacuum present in a CE3 as the liquid is consumed, but it is negligible and quickly equalizes the pressure as can be seen by the bubble of air coming out of the wick hole. It is definitely not a "closed" system or the liquid would never get to the wicks for very long and you'd never be able to take a drag on it, your eyeballs would end up in your socks trying.

I was fascinated by the CE3 and the fact that it didn't leak when they first came out and it teased my mind quite a bit, until I figured out how it actually was working. 1stOfficer and MROutlaw both provided some information that helped. Having experienced most of the problems of CE3s, then working on those problems, helped me avoid getting too frustrated with them. The part about air bubbles in a syringe is just kind of common sense once you understand how the CE3 actually works, the air inside that is displaced when filling has to go somewhere. At least they can be taken apart and cleaned properly. The price is not an issue to me IF it works and can be maintained for a reasonable time. Unfortunately, for me I guess, the Nano didn't work out nearly as well to put it mildly.

 

[WorksForMe]

I know what you mean about the Nano. To be honest, I'm not interested it S.I. fixing the problems with them, because I'm looking for something bigger. I do really like the CE3s. I just fill them and vape. I don't clean them or do any other maintenance. I'm using three at a time, and two of the ones I'm using now, I've been using since the beginning of August. Only three CE3s have died on me. Two shorted out on me (design problem), and one leaked really bad right out of the box. I just threw those away and moved on.

J.R.

 

[Justjames]

I've been using CE3 for couple months and love it, try Nano (first batch) and not so happy. Back to CE3, normally I just clean CE3 with running hot water when I wanna change flavor and I even refilled one CE3 multiple times before cleaning them.

Last time I did the through deep clean, taking them apart from tube, soak the head part in vinegar over night, soak in hot water and then dry burn them. I lost 2 CE3 from this process (leaking which never happen for the past month), but the major problem is, I got a very clean and taste great for the first fill, but become burnt taste or less taste after first refill. In order to get the taste back I have to clean it before refill. This never happen before even a new one I just open from package do the same thing if I do a cleaning and dry burn before use. Anyone have this problem? Should unjust rinse clean CE3 without dry burn?

 

[awsum140]

I stopped dry burning almost completely. The amount of wick in a CE3 is just too small and unforgiving if you go a little too far. I did a major cleaning nddry burn sequence recently and ended up with four being burned beyond all recognition, they tasted burnt so they were toasted in the process. Now, if I do dry burn them, I do it for very short pulses, stopping way short of red hot coils, until I stop getting wisps of vaporsmoke off of them. I dry burn them while stripped down to the base so its easier to control what's happening. My latest procedure is to rinse them after three refills. I also find that a careful scraping with a dental pick can get a lot of burned on .... off of the coil, but that has to be done very carefully and with a steady hand.

You didnt say if you're taking the inner seal out before or after you dis-assemble them. Usually leakers, that aren't caused by cracks in the barrel, leak because of a bad inner seal. The only time I've gotten a burned flavor is from overdoing a dry burn.

Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.

 

[Duster6524]

I've been using CE3 for couple months and love it, try Nano (first batch) and not so happy. Back to CE3, normally I just clean CE3 with running hot water when I wanna change flavor and I even refilled one CE3 multiple times before cleaning them.

Last time I did the through deep clean, taking them apart from tube, soak the head part in vinegar over night, soak in hot water and then dry burn them. I lost 2 CE3 from this process (leaking which never happen for the past month), but the major problem is, I got a very clean and taste great for the first fill, but become burnt taste or less taste after first refill. In order to get the taste back I have to clean it before refill. This never happen before even a new one I just open from package do the same thing if I do a cleaning and dry burn before use. Anyone have this problem? Should unjust rinse clean CE3 without dry burn?

The vinegar, while good at removing gunk, may not be good for the coil as it is an acid and will attack the coil wire during the soak. PGA (50 proof or higher vodka or Everclear) may be better, and could be carefully warmed on an electric stove (never a gas stove). As for the dry burns, these should only last 2 seconds max (1 thousand 1, 1 thousand 2) and should allow about 5 seconds in between burns to cool. It may take many of these cycles to get to the coil glow. I have personally done rinses and dry burns but have not had to do a soak yet.

I do have a question, when you say "taking them apart from the tube", are you removing the clear outer tube from the base?

 

[awsum140]

I do have a question, when you say "taking them apart from the tube", are you removing the clear outer tube from the base?

Yes, I remove the outer barrel to really clean them. I have an X2-650 that died on me, was replaced by SI at no charge, that I use as a handle to hold the base solidly. Then, just wiggle and pull a little,sometimes with a little force, and the outer barrel comes off without too much trouble. By getting the barrel out of the way I have direct access to the coil so can gently scrape it with a dental pick and a small brush to get some of the gunk off. That works really well after a vodka soak. I also, gently, run water through the bottom, battery end, to help flush out the coil and wicks a little more. That has to be done carefully so that the coil doesn't some loose, I did wreck a clearo by using too much force with the stream out of the syringe...blew the coil and wicks right out of the clearo. The last time I did a major cleaning like that, Saturday morning, I resurrected three that were leaking just by swapping the inner silicon seals with ones that had other problems.

Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.

 

[mudhill]

Yes, I remove the outer barrel to really clean them. I have an X2-650 that died on me, was replaced by SI at no charge, that I use as a handle to hold the base solidly. Then, just wiggle and pull a little,sometimes with a little force, and the outer barrel comes off without too much trouble. By getting the barrel out of the way I have direct access to the coil so can gently scrape it with a dental pick and a small brush to get some of the gunk off. That works really well after a vodka soak. I also, gently, run water through the bottom, battery end, to help flush out the coil and wicks a little more. That has to be done carefully so that the coil doesn't some loose, I did wreck a clearo by using too much force with the stream out of the syringe...blew the coil and wicks right out of the clearo. The last time I did a major cleaning like that, Saturday morning, I resurrected three that were leaking just by swapping the inner silicon seals with ones that had other problems.

Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.

Roland,,sounds like a lot of work for no more then they cost to replace,,,but maybe you just like playing with toys,,a carry over from your childhood.,,,,LOL

 

[Justjames]

@duster, what assum said is right. I also have spare 808 thread battery that I use as holder. Just give it a twist and whole tube come off.

 

[awsum140]

Roland,,sounds like a lot of work for no more then they cost to replace,,,but maybe you just like playing with toys,,a carry over from your childhood.,,,,LOL

It's not all that much time, say an hour to completely dis-assemble, clean, re-assemble and fill 15 to 20 at a time. Once a week doesn't seem that big a deal to me, especially considering what a pain a carto can be to get really clean, then dry. Besides, it keeps me off the streets and out of trouble, plus I'm so cheap I squeak sitting still!

 

[WorksForMe]

It's not all that much time, say an hour to completely dis-assemble, clean, re-assemble and fill 15 to 20 at a time. Once a week doesn't seem that big a deal to me, especially considering what a pain a carto can be to get really clean, then dry. Besides, it keeps me off the streets and out of trouble, plus I'm so cheap I squeak sitting still!

You must not be too cheap if you are using 15-20 CE3s at one time. In the past 2 and half months I've only bought 10 and 4 of them are still in the box. Do you fill them all with different flavors?

J.R.

 

[awsum140]

No, I'm cheap! Some of the ones I'm currently using are from my original order when they came out, probably six. I have bought some more in the mean time and have some in "reserve" for a rainy day. I generally use three to four per day so 16 give me four days worth without having to refill at all. I am using three different flavors simply to use up the sample flavors I've bought and to see if one of them can be that "magic" all day, everyday, flavor. I'm not holding out a lot of hope for that idea though.

 

[WorksForMe]

I guess I'm not very picky about flavors. I only use one flavor e-liquid and it was the first one I bought. I've used a couple of others, but I stick with the first one just because I'm used to it. I don't really have any desire to vape anything that tastes like fruit or baked goods.

BTW Awsum What does "amgic" mean?

J.R.

 

[awsum140]

BTW Awsum What does "amgic" mean?

J.R.

It means I mistype, have fat fingers, a mind that works ahead of my fingers and fail to proofread all the time. Fixed the typo already LOL

 

[mudhill]

It's not all that much time, say an hour to completely dis-assemble, clean, re-assemble and fill 15 to 20 at a time. Once a week doesn't seem that big a deal to me, especially considering what a pain a carto can be to get really clean, then dry. Besides, it keeps me off the streets and out of trouble, plus I'm so cheap I squeak sitting still!

i bought one of the plunger kits from myfreedomsmokes.com,,it is down at the post office since friday morning,should have another order down there from TPA in morning,so i'll pick them both up at one time,can't waste gas on multiple trips.

i bought the ultimate kit for about 25.00,i hope i did not throw my money away on it,,i have been using the XL cartos from SI the past couple of weeks,i kinda like them,the first fill i can get 50 drops in to them before they start to drip out of bottom.

of course i still use my ce3s.

 

[Duster6524]

Yes, I remove the outer barrel to really clean them. I have an X2-650 that died on me, was replaced by SI at no charge, that I use as a handle to hold the base solidly. Then, just wiggle and pull a little,sometimes with a little force, and the outer barrel comes off without too much trouble. By getting the barrel out of the way I have direct access to the coil so can gently scrape it with a dental pick and a small brush to get some of the gunk off. That works really well after a vodka soak. I also, gently, run water through the bottom, battery end, to help flush out the coil and wicks a little more. That has to be done carefully so that the coil doesn't some loose, I did wreck a clearo by using too much force with the stream out of the syringe...blew the coil and wicks right out of the clearo. The last time I did a major cleaning like that, Saturday morning, I resurrected three that were leaking just by swapping the inner silicon seals with ones that had other problems.

Just my opinion, worth what you're paying for it, your results and mileage may vary, no warrantee or guarantee is expressed or implied.

Do you notice more cracks after reassembly? I ask because the one of mine I dropped and cracked (the one I made a drip tester) I cut a little of the tube off and between that pressure and playing with the cut off piece, the plastic cracks so I would think that pulling the tube would do the same?

 

[awsum140]

Do you notice more cracks after reassembly? I ask because the one of mine I dropped and cracked (the one I made a drip tester) I cut a little of the tube off and between that pressure and playing with the cut off piece, the plastic cracks so I would think that pulling the tube would do the same?

The only problems I've had with cracks have been with cracks from assembly at the factory, none from pulling the tube. I haven't managed to crack one yet in spite of dropping a few while they were on batteries. To get them off it's more of a strong pull and a little wiggle. I guess if you overdo the wiggle part they could crack at the base though, the trcik being not to "force" the wiggle too much. I do like the idea of using one for a drip atomizer though and had thought aout doing that same thing, cutting the tube way down. How'd you cut the tube, coping saw or hacksaw? I think I'll use a cutoff wheel in a Dremel so I don't over stress it. How much tube did you leave for your drip "mod"?

 

[Harplayr]

It's not all that much time, say an hour to completely dis-assemble, clean, re-assemble and fill 15 to 20 at a time. Once a week doesn't seem that big a deal to me, especially considering what a pain a carto can be to get really clean, then dry. Besides, it keeps me off the streets and out of trouble, plus I'm so cheap I squeak sitting still!

I keep 8 in roation with different flavors, and have a couple for testing new flavors.

I agree, filling these in bulk is a real time saver, and having different flavors at the ready is nice too.

 

[Duster6524]

The only problems I've had with cracks have been with cracks from assembly at the factory, none from pulling the tube. I haven't managed to crack one yet in spite of dropping a few while they were on batteries. To get them off it's more of a strong pull and a little wiggle. I guess if you overdo the wiggle part they could crack at the base though, the trcik being not to "force" the wiggle too much. I do like the idea of using one for a drip atomizer though and had thought aout doing that same thing, cutting the tube way down. How'd you cut the tube, coping saw or hacksaw? I think I'll use a cutoff wheel in a Dremel so I don't over stress it. How much tube did you leave for your drip "mod"?

Thanks for the info. Actually this one I cut with an utility knife, but I'll use something else next time. That's why I asked about cracks because the knife took some pressure to cut. I was experimenting, so now I know to use a saw or Dremel next time. As far as how much I cut off, it ended up being about half the full length, but for me personally, I think next time I'll just half the length of the reservoir area. Now I just need to get some drip tips. I'd like to see SI carry some, even just basic ones, cause the one that comes with the CE3, to me, has too small an opening.