ceramic wick help please

[kingdm]

I replaced the Li-ion stock batteries and replaced with higher drain AW IMR 18650s. They perform way better, but only noticed the difference when I went up to 30ga kanthal. I'd imagine it would have a bearing on dual-coil setups.

I'm postponing the dual coil experimentation for now until I Perfect the art of ceramic coils so the batteries shouldn't be an issue, I will probably upgrade anyway, I don't even get 24 hours out of one the way I vape, lucky to get 12 hours.

 

[Hello World]

I don't even get 24 hours out of one the way I vape, lucky to get 12 hours.

I used to get 20 hours a day, so you must really be pushing it. The AW IMR 16850s will give even less time but render more power. You'd probably go through 2 of them a day.

 

[grindle]

Right this minute I'm running my eVic at 3.3 volts at 1.4 ohms. The taste will continue to change (get hotter) until I hit 3.9 volts or roughly 10.8 watts. (You can also see a physical increase in vapor from the genny's wick) I wonder what bearing the OEM batteries play in this supposed 2.2 amp ceiling, as it does not seem to hold true using the AW IMR 18650s.

That's interesting, good info.

11 watts is still pretty terrible for a dual-coil though. Hopefully that eVic jailbreak comes out sooner rather than later (for the 1% of folks who might want to use dual-coils with it ).

 

[kingdm]

11 watts is still pretty terrible for a dual-coil though. Hopefully that eVic jailbreak comes out sooner rather than later (for the 1% of folks who might want to use dual-coils with it ).

There is rumor of a firmware mod/hack?

 

[grindle]

There is rumor of a firmware mod/hack?

Yeah, there was an interview on Vapeteam with one of the guys hacking it - i think he mentioned that he lives with JayWalker, one of the guys responsible for the greenpois0n iOS jailbreak, so you know they've got the skills.

He said that there appears to be no reason for the hardware not to reach 15watts and 6volts, that the current situation is just a software limitation.
They hope to be adding doable features suggested by the community when it's ready. Snake? On an ecig? Why not!
Should make the eVic attractive to modders as well - without limitations it'd be quite nice in a twin battery mod of some kind.

 

[kingdm]

Got my Tiamat up and running with one of my fishwicks, as predicted, flavor was very muted, vapor was better than expected for a non broken in wick. I hope it breaks in soon.

He said that there appears to be no reason for the hardware not to reach 15watts and 6volts, that the current situation is just a software limitation.

Any news on this? This sounds very interesting, I can't wait!

Update: This thing is WAY too airy, any good tips on modding it to modulate the air intake?

 

[kingdm]

This wick is taking longer than i thought to break in, on my 3rd tank and still no throat hit and very muted flavor......

 

[kingdm]

I changed wicks and ended up with a little looser wrap and low and behold it worked great!?!?!?!? Anyone have any advice on keeping the juice from turning black?

 

[Thrasher]

i would get away from the hyper srt for a genesis style setup, the included silica coils that it uses are a combination of res and non res wire and this will be some of the problems.

i do not use ceamics but usually the black is burned juice leeching back in, i thought ceramics stayed cleaner, maybe try cleaning the wick and not vaping so hot, dunno.

 

[kingdm]

i would get away from the hyper srt for a genesis style setup, the included silica coils that it uses are a combination of res and non res wire and this will be some of the problems.

i do not use ceamics but usually the black is burned juice leeching back in, i thought ceramics stayed cleaner, maybe try cleaning the wick and not vaping so hot, dunno.

The Hyper has since been retired, I'm using an AGAT +, drilled it out to 1/8" and wrapping it with 32g Kanthal, running about 2.5 ohms 7 Watts. It seems like I get inconsistent vape results, one minute i'm choking on a burnt taste, the next I've got a perma-grin from lovely flavor and clouds it yields..... stumped....

 

[vapdivrr]

The Hyper has since been retired, I'm using an AGAT +, drilled it out to 1/8" and wrapping it with 32g Kanthal, running about 2.5 ohms 7 Watts. It seems like I get inconsistent vape results, one minute i'm choking on a burnt taste, the next I've got a perma-grin from lovely flavor and clouds it yields..... stumped....

i may of asked you this already, but how are you wrapping the wick? the best results have been with 28 or 30g wire, the 32g doesnt work as well, maybe because of the heat of the wire, or just the higher resistance. you need to use 30g wire, and then use the ehw method(hot wrap). also you cannot really hot wrap the 32g, for it is to thin. the burnt taste is from a hot coil, which is a loose coil, this happens when the coil has a gap, this also creates the juice darkening that you are describing. i promise you if you hot wrapped the 1/8 wick with 28 or 30g wire to resistances between 0.8 to 1.6, you would be very happy.

 

[kingdm]

i may of asked you this already, but how are you wrapping the wick? the best results have been with 28 or 30g wire, the 32g doesnt work as well, maybe because of the heat of the wire, or just the higher resistance. you need to use 30g wire, and then use the ehw method(hot wrap). also you cannot really hot wrap the 32g, for it is to thin. the burnt taste is from a hot coil, which is a loose coil, this happens when the coil has a gap, this also creates the juice darkening that you are describing. i promise you if you hot wrapped the 1/8 wick with 28 or 30g wire to resistances between 0.8 to 1.6, you would be very happy.

Cheers mate! I ordered my 30g Kanthal this morning, I can't wait, I'm moderately happy with the ceramic thus far, if the new wire gives improvement....... outstanding!

 

[pdib]

the other thing that works really well is to do a dual coil in parallel (single stone wick) with a thinner wire, like 34 (maybe 32). Fold long wire back on itself, put a toothpick in the U-shape and twist it couple times. Now you have two wires originating from one point (use the "eye" on your pos. post). Wrap the wires together (parallel) tightly down your stone and torch it. Then make adjustments to get the wire real tight on the wick and evenly distributed; torch again. It should stay in place by itself, now; so pop it in and lock it down. Way more wire to stone contact this way, and you can play while you wait for your 30g.

 

[vapdivrr]

the other thing that works really well is to do a dual coil in parallel (single stone wick) with a thinner wire, like 34 (maybe 32). Fold long wire back on itself, put a toothpick in the U-shape and twist it couple times. Now you have two wires originating from one point (use the "eye" on your pos. post). Wrap the wires together (parallel) tightly down your stone and torch it. Then make adjustments to get the wire real tight on the wick and evenly distributed; torch again. It should stay in place by itself, now; so pop it in and lock it down. Way more wire to stone contact this way, and you can play while you wait for your 30g.

what resistances are you winding up with when you are doing this?

 

[pdib]

I think I did 34g dual 5/6? I remember i netted 1.5Ω and could vertical button push for 12-15 seconds before going dry/coil glow. That was at 11 watts on my VAMO. I did my method where I torched on smaller diameter object first, come to think of it. Then fed it onto the stone.

 

[vapdivrr]

I think I did 34g dual 5/6? I remember i netted 1.5Ω and could vertical button push for 12-15 seconds before going dry/coil glow. That was at 11 watts on my VAMO. I did my method where I torched on smaller diameter object first, come to think of it. Then fed it onto the stone.

i havent tried this yet. so are you doubling up the wire? why doesnt it double the resistance? maybe i didnt read your description well enough, can you elaborate a little more, thanks

 

[pdib]

So, the double wrap cuts the resistance in half. Two lanes of traffic = 1/2 the resistance. A 5/6 wrap of 34 gets you about 3Ω; two will put you at 1.5. So the thin wire pulls tight to the stone easily, and the two lengths together get you about a 12 wrap of stone contact, but with the kick of a 5/6. Important to keep wires same length, or electric flow will favor shorter wire.

 

[kingdm]

the other thing that works really well is to do a dual coil in parallel (single stone wick) with a thinner wire, like 34 (maybe 32). Fold long wire back on itself, put a toothpick in the U-shape and twist it couple times. Now you have two wires originating from one point (use the "eye" on your pos. post). Wrap the wires together (parallel) tightly down your stone and torch it. Then make adjustments to get the wire real tight on the wick and evenly distributed; torch again. It should stay in place by itself, now; so pop it in and lock it down. Way more wire to stone contact this way, and you can play while you wait for your 30g.

I tried something similar but the technique was flawed so I gave up, I may give it a go, might help with consistency between heaven and harsh @$$ burnt taste.

 

[vapdivrr]

So, the double wrap cuts the resistance in half. Two lanes of traffic = 1/2 the resistance. A 5/6 wrap of 34 gets you about 3Ω; two will put you at 1.5. So the thin wire pulls tight to the stone easily, and the two lengths together get you about a 12 wrap of stone contact, but with the kick of a 5/6. Important to keep wires same length, or electric flow will favor shorter wire.

so the wire is just doubled over and not cut into 2 separate lenghts?

 

[vapdivrr]

I tried something similar but the technique was flawed so I gave up, I may give it a go, might help with consistency between heaven and harsh @$$ burnt taste.

werent you trying with 2 separate wicks? this one is just one wick, with a doubled up wire.