Children in a vape cafe

[Lessifer]

Is it?

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Coming from Lessifer it can't be but sarcasm.

btw I don't drink from paper cups at home either. I guess a SWAT team is en-route to discipline me.

I'm not usually sarcastic, but I knew caramel would get it.

 

[Amraann]

Because they're with their parents... You do understand that the 18 and older laws for vaping are arbitrary right?

Yeah, what I am saying is that parents should not be "hanging out" in a vape shop or a bar with their children.

Because....... guess what? Once one becomes a parent it is no longer about their own wants.. it is about taking care of their child.

As I already stated I do not think that vapor is harmful via second hand. However, vape shops have nothing child friendly or fun for a child. So why hang out in one with your child?

The only reason I can think of is pure selfishness. Vape at home. Or hirer a babysitter. A parents desire to socialize should not mean that the child suffers.

 

[Amraann]

Do you realize that at 1PM (the time you originally specified) they're largely a place for taking lunch? What's so depraved about lunch that children shall not see?

I am talking about a BAR. Not a place that serves food.

 

[Jman8]

I don't base opinions on what things resemble.

The questions I asked were designed to help you see the issue that you claimed you couldn't see.

As far as society hating smoking, they have good cause to.

I disagree.

However, that does not excuse the blind hatred of anything that reminds them of smoking. This would be comparable to not only hating people who have wronged you, but also anyone who looks like them.

Vaping, regardless of what it resembles, is NOT smoking and needs to be evaluated on its own merits/risks.

Welcome to shared reality. Enjoy your visit!

 

[Lessifer]

Yeah, what I am saying is that parents should not be "hanging out" in a vape shop or a bar with their children.

Because....... guess what? Once one becomes a parent it is no longer about their own wants.. it is about taking care of their child.

As I already stated I do not think that vapor is harmful via second hand. However, vape shops have nothing child friendly or fun for a child. So why hang out in one with your child?

The only reason I can think of is pure selfishness. Vape at home. Or hirer a babysitter. A parents desire to socialize should not mean that the child suffers.

I will admit that it is a little selfish to take a child somewhere where they will have nothing to do, I actually already said so in another post, but in reality sometimes kids will have to do things that they don't necessarily want to do. There is nothing entertaining for my child at the grocery store, but I still take her with me when I'm shopping. Same goes for my doctor appointments, and many other activities.

Just because a child will not be entertained somewhere, does not mean they shouldn't be allowed. If the parent wants to deal with a bored child, that's their prerogative. Sometimes the mental health of the parent is worth a child being bored for a while. Also consider that in this situation, said parent is making a choice to vape rather than smoke(most likely), probably at least in part FOR their child.

 

[Jman8]

Jman I challenge you to watch this video in full and tell us what you think of Tina Fey vs Sarah Palin

One is poking fun at politicians (that just so happen to be female and Republican) and the other one, the real one, seems like typical political expressions that voting sheep fall for.

Not sure how it relates to this thread, but thinking it relates to the whole if it resembles that thing we are taught to hate, then it's good to be part of the group that engages in that bashing.

I save most of my bashing for ANTZ rhetoric.

 

[Jman8]

I'm not a single parent, but my wife is ill and is not often able to care for our 4yo on her own. 90% of the time, if I don't take the kid with me, I don't go anywhere. I don't take my kid to the vape shop, not because I don't want her exposed, but because I don't want the distraction of having to watch/entertain her while I'm there, but if I needed to go and she was with me, I would have no problem bringing her in. I would not hang out for hours though, because at 4 years old, she gets bored quickly and can be quite annoying and I wouldn't want to expose others at the vape shop to her tantrums, someone has to protect the vapers!

Won't anyone think of the vapers?

 

[Completely Average]

I'm not a single parent, but my wife is ill and is not often able to care for our 4yo on her own. 90% of the time, if I don't take the kid with me, I don't go anywhere. I don't take my kid to the vape shop, not because I don't want her exposed, but because I don't want the distraction of having to watch/entertain her while I'm there, but if I needed to go and she was with me, I would have no problem bringing her in. I would not hang out for hours though, because at 4 years old, she gets bored quickly and can be quite annoying and I wouldn't want to expose others at the vape shop to her tantrums, someone has to protect the vapers!

And when she's 8 and you catch her sneaking puffs of your ecig what are you going to do about it? Give her one of her own? Or get mad at her for trying something that you've been teaching her is acceptable?

And if you don't think that sooner or later she's going to try it then you shouldn't be a parent. Kids copy their parents and believe if their parents do it then it must be good. I guarantee you that she's curious and will sneak those puffs in sooner or later.



My own daughter is 13. When I smoked I NEVER smoked around her. I smoked outside and she wasn't allowed to be near me when I did. I taught her about addiction and that smoking was bad, but that I was addicted and couldn't stop. Once I switched to vaping I told her that vaping was a way for me to quit smoking, but I still don't vape around her and still maintain that it's bad and not something that she should ever be involved in. Now at 13 she understands that my vaping isn't a good thing, it's just a way for me to quit smoking which was worse. She understands the issues of nicotine addiction and that there are other possible health issues that can cause her harm. She's been brought up from birth being taught that smoking and vaping is bad and that sometimes her mom and dad do bad things.

I pray that I've done enough and that she never picks up the habit, but if she does can you guess who I am going to blame? (Hint, it won't be her friends or kids at school, or television or ads in magazines.)

I wouldn't bring her into a vape shop any more than I would give her my ecig to puff on. IMO there really isn't much difference between the two.

 

[Kloudz]

Society went and got stupid. It's like all morals have been flushed!

 

[Jman8]

I taught her about addiction and that smoking was bad, but that I was addicted and couldn't stop. Once I switched to vaping I told her that vaping was a way for me to quit smoking,

This just reads as funny to me.

I wonder if a kid would be smart enough to see through this.

I'm thinking they would. I'm pretty sure by age 10, I would've seen thru this as yet another lie an adult was trying to convey to me.

 

[Lessifer]

And when she's 8 and you catch her sneaking puffs of your ecig what are you going to do about it? Give her one of her own? Or get mad at her for trying something that you've been teaching her is acceptable?

And if you don't think that sooner or later she's going to try it then you shouldn't be a parent. Kids copy their parents and believe if their parents do it then it must be good. I guarantee you that she's curious and will sneak those puffs in sooner or later.



My own daughter is 13. When I smoked I NEVER smoked around her. I smoked outside and she wasn't allowed to be near me when I did. I taught her about addiction and that smoking was bad, but that I was addicted and couldn't stop. Once I switched to vaping I told her that vaping was a way for me to quit smoking, but I still don't vape around her and still maintain that it's bad and not something that she should ever be involved in. Now at 13 she understands that my vaping isn't a good thing, it's just a way for me to quit smoking which was worse. She understands the issues of nicotine addiction and that there are other possible health issues that can cause her harm. She's been brought up from birth being taught that smoking and vaping is bad and that sometimes her mom and dad do bad things.

I pray that I've done enough and that she never picks up the habit, but if she does can you guess who I am going to blame? (Hint, it won't be her friends or kids at school, or television or ads in magazines.)

I wouldn't bring her into a vape shop any more than I would give her my ecig to puff on. IMO there really isn't much difference between the two.

I've taught her all along that my vape gear is mine, and is not for her to play with, because it can be dangerous. If I catch her sneaking puffs, first we will have a talk about her not listening to me, and then we'll have another talk about vaping, nicotine, everything else that I will have had talks with her about before. I don't see vaping as evil. I don't believe, and current research seems to back this up, that nicotine is addictive when not accompanied by the other things in tobacco. I will discuss habits with her, and what the up sides and down sides of various habits are.

In reality I would hope that she isn't sneaking puffs. If she's curious about it, I hope she asks me first and doesn't feel the need to sneak anything. If she's like me as a child, she may have trouble focusing, and while I would like more research done in the area first, I may actually consider nicotine before adderall, if that is ever suggested to me.

The point is, I will parent my child, you can parent yours.

 

[Amraann]

I will admit that it is a little selfish to take a child somewhere where they will have nothing to do, I actually already said so in another post, but in reality sometimes kids will have to do things that they don't necessarily want to do. There is nothing entertaining for my child at the grocery store, but I still take her with me when I'm shopping. Same goes for my doctor appointments, and many other activities.

Just because a child will not be entertained somewhere, does not mean they shouldn't be allowed. If the parent wants to deal with a bored child, that's their prerogative. Sometimes the mental health of the parent is worth a child being bored for a while. Also consider that in this situation, said parent is making a choice to vape rather than smoke(most likely), probably at least in part FOR their child.

I read your post about your wife and I am very sorry that she is ill.
I agree with you in that there are places and times that children will be bored. However, one can make the grocery store more fun by including them in the process or by bringing something to entertain them in the Dr's office.

In both of those instances they are required visits that must occur. Hanging out at a vape shop is not required.
Invite friends over for some socialization?

Between us a bored child would ruin any fun I would potentially have hanging out somewhere. My own child or someone elses. Typically I am the one who deals with friends bored children when we all go somewhere.

 

[Oberon75]

Yeah, what I am saying is that parents should not be "hanging out" in a vape shop or a bar with their children.

Because....... guess what? Once one becomes a parent it is no longer about their own wants.. it is about taking care of their child.

As I already stated I do not think that vapor is harmful via second hand. However, vape shops have nothing child friendly or fun for a child. So why hang out in one with your child?

The only reason I can think of is pure selfishness. Vape at home. Or hirer a babysitter. A parents desire to socialize should not mean that the child suffers.

So you are saying I had bad parents? Society is wayyyyy too progressive these days.

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[The Cloud Minder]

Wow, I'm so conflicted.

I'm half: "It takes a Village"

And half: "And here, my good people, we can see Natural Selection at work."

 

[Lessifer]

I read your post about your wife and I am very sorry that she is ill.
I agree with you in that there are places and times that children will be bored. However, one can make the grocery store more fun by including them in the process or by bringing something to entertain them in the Dr's office.

In both of those instances they are required visits that must occur. Hanging out at a vape shop is not required.
Invite friends over for some socialization?

Between us a bored child would ruin any fun I would potentially have hanging out somewhere. My own child or someone elses. Typically I am the one who deals with friends bored children when we all go somewhere.

At least two of the vape shops in my area have video game consoles in the lounge. Again, I've never brought my child there to hang out, but I can see situations where someone might. If the shop doesn't mind, and the parent doesn't mind, and the child is not annoying the other patrons and is being looked after, I just don't see the issue.

 

[Amraann]

So you are saying I had bad parents? Society is wayyyyy too progressive these days.

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If you are saying that your parents brought you into a bar as a child and hung out there drinking, then yes I am saying you had bad parents.. Right along with the winners I had.

 

[shuggibear]

It's fine to think the way that you do. I don't vape around kids because I wouldn't want anyone to blow clouds towards my daughter. I do take her into a BM sometimes, but I don't stress it too much. Most other vapers are nice enough to be aware of her and direct their clouds away from her. I don't think it's worth the fight to vape in front of children and fight now. Let science show it's harmless, while we show how considerate vapers really are now.

 

[Zealous]

And when she's 8 and you catch her sneaking puffs of your ecig what are you going to do about it? Give her one of her own? Or get mad at her for trying something that you've been teaching her is acceptable?

I'd remind her that we don't sneak around messing with other people's things in our house. We respect each other & talk to each other and ask permission before messing with someone else's stuff. When MY 8 year old daughter told me she thought about trying my vape to see what it was like, I was able to explain to her that she must never try my vape because it's got high nicotine and it could and probably would make her sick.

I'm sure we're both glad she felt ok with talking to me about it first.

IMO, vaping IS acceptable. But it IS an adult activity and both my kids know that.

 

[Lessifer]

Edited by ECF Moderator.. Please keep discussion polite

Everyone knows that if a kid doesn't see something, they don't know it exists.

wow, I'm in a sarcastic mood today.

I am a firm believer in providing children with as much information as possible, so that when it comes time for them to make their own choices, they will have the best opportunity to make an informed choice. I've never felt that ignorance is a solution to any problem.

 

[Zealous]

Edited by ECF Moderator.. Please keep discussion polite

This isn't a very nice thing to say. Smoking is a very hard habit to break whether you have kids or not. Besides that, she DID quit smoking with the help of vaping and she does have a right to her own feelings about it whether people agree with them or not.