Sometimes the truth hurts. I don't know about you but I refuse to lie and be shady with my children.
Children in a vape cafe
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Sometimes the truth hurts. I don't know about you but I refuse to lie and be shady with my children.
Yes but you said it was sad that she couldn't quit smoking for her children. LOTS of people couldn't quit smoking for their children until they found vaping. But fortunately we DID find it so it's a difficult thing to feel judged because we couldn't do it on our own (and that's how I perceived your previous comment).
I completely agree about being open with your children though so I won't debate that.
I strongly disagree and am all the better because of it. When you shelter your kids and try to hide alcohol from them, that's when they turn into beer pong playing binge drinkers after you turn them loose at 18. Due to the extremely sheltered upbringing of recent generations, even 20 something's are more immature then I was at 16.
Because of my upbringing, I've never associated alcohol with getting tore up and have been sipping the exact same serving of vintage bourbon in a rock glass for three hours now.
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The Reign feels bad now, I associate it with getting tore up.....kinda torn now. Not in front of children, dogs maybe. 
You do realize the vast gulf between taking a kid in a bar and educating them about alcohol is?
If you educate them correctly, why should it matter?
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Well I do get tore up on occasion but it's primarily about flavor to me, just like my variety of e-liquids. Craft Beer also has incredible health benefits.The Reign feels bad now, I associate it with getting tore up.....kinda torn now. Not in front of children, dogs maybe.
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Please do not misunderstand. I never implied that one should hide drinking from their children or do anything less than explain it is an adult activity meant for a certain place and time.
That does not equate to taking your child to a bar and hanging out while getting drunk.
Not taking your child to hang out at the bar is not sheltering them.
I'm not sure what kind of bars you're frequenting, you mentioned 1PM so I'm talking about bars that are likely to be open at 1PM, here the most popular are of the "sports bar" type and they do serve food, lunch is a big piece of their revenue.
I thought the whole bar thing started with being able to vape when stopping for coffee or maybe lunch. This sounds like the old Telephone Game.
They have story time at this vape shop too?
My kiddies loooooooove Puff the Magic Dragon
Perfectly true... unless the child's boredom is expressed in such ways as will annoy everyone else around -- then both the parent and the annoying child will get dirty looks, as in "do your job, stuff a sock in that kid's mouth, or get it OUT OF HERE."
Andria
I beg your pardon, but that was uncalled for. I couldn't quit smoking FOR ANYTHING OR ANYONE until I discovered vaping. And yeah I took it outside so he didn't have to breathe my smoke in the house. What I smelled like was none of his or anyone else's beeswax.
Andria
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I don't get drunk in a bar though if my children are there during the day. It's usually a half pound burger with fries and a beer for $5 and then a game of pool or darts with perhaps a second beer while they are drinking soda.
I'll also occasionally take me thirteen year old with me to the local microbrewery where they fill his growler up with their own freshly made Root Beer or Ginger Ale.
This is how my parents did me and I see no problem with it. I find its the parents who try and shelter their kids from everything, who turn out the worst.
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Out of curiosity, I have to ask.....do the robes of self-righteousness ever get hot, or uncomfortable at times?
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Wow, that was uncalled for. Way to condemn someone who picked up vaping to quit smoking. I guess vapers who don't have kids or non smokers are the only ones who should have picked up their first mod.
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What if it is not self-righteous? Do you think we should not tell right things to children even if we are weaklings who could not adhere to right things? Even on forum of weaklings as this one, where people too weak to quit cold turkey (me included) try to justify their weakness? Let’s at least tell right things.
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My my, I suspect the air up there really is a lot thinner than down here SPV >>>>
You don't know the difference between these two scenarios? I really hope you don't procreate.
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