Children in a vape cafe

[ReigntheGamer]

I'm an old guy who has raised two kids, both of whom are adults. Aside from the health effects, there are lots of things I did as a young parent, and exposed them to things that, as I look back, I'd rather I hadn't. I drank way more than I should have, was absent more than I wished, working and chasing all the hours I could get, smoked too much, swore too much, spent money on self indulgent stuff. Fortunately, both have done well, in spite of me. But both do have behaviors they might not otherwise have, had they not been exposed to them in their early years.


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[Woofer]

What parents will or wont allow at home isn't the issue here at all, its what the businesses in this industry are allowing that matter.

I can absolutely guarantee that if a news photographer happened to be walking by one of these shops and notice a few kids in a room just filled with smoke, we'd see it on the pages of the papers and likely in the evening news since most high end cameras can also record HD video now.

Any vape shop allowing such a thing to happen is openly inviting negative news stories about the industry. If there are vape shops letting minors in the doors its just a matter of time before something like that shows up in the news and gives politicians an easy target to hammer with regulations to boost their approval ratings....

...and we'd deserve it.

1) ANYBODY I don't know starts foto/filming my kids is going to feel pain.
2) It is not smoke
3) We don't deserve any of it.

 

[Foggin Munky]

Jeez they way you people are carrying on - just like the people who think it's in your best interest to protect you from vaping as well - it must be a miracle that any child has ever managed to survive to adulthood, being exposed to anything at all. Miracle that we even still exist as a species.

I have never, in my whole life, sat in a "car seat". In my day, we had the "back breakers" (lap belts) or we just rode in the bed of the truck Drank from the garden hose, rode bicycles over ramps without helmets, dared each other to eat bugs, and had plenty of bottle rocket wars. We're all fine

As for kids in the vape shop - My daughter (almost 5) rides with me just about everywhere I go, including the vape shop. I'm mindful of how crowded/cloudy it is and would not let her hang out if there wasn't enough clear patches of air in the place. Otherwise, I have no problem with it and neither do any of the shops we've been in together.

My logic is simple - don't think kids belong in a vape shop? Then don't takes YOUR kids to one or don't let them in YOUR shop

 

[JulesXsmokr]

Almost sounds like we got ANTZ in here.
A lot of people in and around here are so brainwashed by the tobacco hate of mind, and have some issues with vaping, and see it as a devil of lesser sorts.
With what we know of vaping right now and its very little harm of any sort syndrome, some folks seem to want to keep the old tobacco hate alive by associating vaping with smoking to some degree. ---Read previously in here - poster referred to vapor as smoke ---parents are oblivious to health effects---
Getting rid of that tobacco state of mind syndrome is another cross some people are still baring, and have not kicked that habit yet!
In short here - I know that if those those kids in that vape store were in a time or place where vaping is outlawed. They would be hanging with the parents "smoking" somewhere else. Now we can take it from there.

 

[jseah]

Jeez they way you people are carrying on - just like the people who think it's in your best interest to protect you from vaping as well - it must be a miracle that any child has ever managed to survive to adulthood, being exposed to anything at all. Miracle that we even still exist as a species.

When I walk into a vape store and it is filled with a haze that makes it difficult to see to the other end of the store, I don't want to be in there, let alone have a child in there.

 

[TheBigPicture]

I think you're right, second hand exposure harmful or not, I don't think it's the appropriate environment for children. All the B&M shops near me don't permit anyone under the age of 19 in them (our smoking law). Not to worry, the Feds will start clamping down soon, just as they do for minors in bars.

 

[crocosurfer]

I use my eleaf 50 and a sub ohm tank at home and I have 2 kids (5 and 10yold) flame me .......
I don't care what you say
I raise my kid by myself and if I need ejuice I will buy it on my way home and if I have no choice they will come with me..no way they stay in the car alone...buy my stuff fast and get out...ppl like to judge, keep it to yourself.

 

[vape-addict]

So when they start passing laws and claim vaping in your car or in your house around children is child abuse..would you support it? .. Then we are playing right into their hands that second hand vapor is bad and should be banned..just my

 

[Lessifer]

The same reasoning, with a lack of evidence of "second hand" vapor being harmful(in fact there's evidence that it's benign), is what people are using to get vaping banned from public spaces. If you don't think children should be exposed, then it follows that non-vapers shouldn't be exposed either.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I don't have kids, I'm pretty sure that time has passed for me. But I do have two precious little guinea pigs that I love (they are my babies and if you think guinea pigs don't matter, I couldn't care less), and I would never do anything to hurt them. But I've vaped in my bedroom and living room with them for over two years and they're still rambunctious little rodents that hop and popcorn and wheek all the time. However, as a courtesy and in respect of other people, I do not vape when children are immediately present in the room. I will go someplace isolated, such as the bathroom or another room, to vape. I do not do this out of fear of what is in the exhaled vapor (nothing toxic), but I do it out of respect and courtesy for others. I'm not comparing cavies to human children, but hopefully you'll get my point. There has been no verified risks of second-hand vapor.

 

[Alien Traveler]

You realize that several vegetables contain nicotine.
This is a great read on nicotine The Great Nicotine Myth

I seriously doubt the vapor causes the kiddies any harm, public perception is another matter.

Please, stop this nonsense. There are negligible amount of nicotine in vegetables compared to tobacco. And, most important, it is behavior thing that children will copy.

 

[mcol]

The reason I wouldn't let a 5 or 10 year old child hang out in a cloud of vapor at
a vape shop has everything to do with the fact of the image it presents to an impressionable
child. This is the same image I want to avoid by taking him to someplace where everyone
is drinking and acting stupid. It's an adult atmosphere, it's not for children.
I vape to avoid smoking. I believe fresh air is the best thing for the lungs. If my child
had to chose between vaping or smoking, I'd definitely push for vaping. But I don't
want him to do either. I'm not into cloud chasing, powerful devices, sub ohming, any
of that. I simply vape so I don't smoke, period. He knows that. And when we're speaking
of children, I'm imagining younger children, not teenagers who are out trying this stuff
anyway.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Almost sounds like we got ANTZ in here.
A lot of people in and around here are so brainwashed by the tobacco hate of mind, and have some issues with vaping, and see it as a devil of lesser sorts.
With what we know of vaping right now and its very little harm of any sort syndrome, some folks seem to want to keep the old tobacco hate alive by associating vaping with smoking to some degree. ---Read previously in here - poster referred to vapor as smoke ---parents are oblivious to health effects---
Getting rid of that tobacco state of mind syndrome is another cross some people are still baring, and have not kicked that habit yet!
In short here - I know that if those those kids in that vape store were in a time or place where vaping is outlawed. They would be hanging with the parents "smoking" somewhere else. Now we can take it from there.

Reading posts like this one I am becoming ANTZ...
EDIT: Actually, this post is a good anti-vaping propaganda.

 

[mcol]

Reading posts like this one I am becoming ANTZ...
EDIT: Actually, this post is a good anti-vaping propaganda.

Sadly I agree.

 

[supertrunker]

Presumably parents that smoke in front of their children at home ought to have their children forcibly removed? The dangers of second-hand smoke are so dire are they?

But as vapers, we are happy to find reports that show vaping is between 100 and 1000 times safer for ourselves as smoking, so it's pretty reasonable to assume that those figures also apply to bystanders, no?

Have you ever noticed that buggies children are pushed in are at vehicle exhaust-pipe level?

Vaping is not smoking. The dangers are not the same and parents are free to raise their children as they see fit.

T

 

[mcol]

I smoked in front of my child at home.
I vape in front of my child at home.
But he still wouldn't be hanging out with me at a vaping cafe,
and I don't need the law to decide that. Whether legal or not
I'm the parent. I don't need a law to teach me common sense.
I'm judging no one, I just feel an adult setting should stay just that.
And if I was at a vaping cafe and saw young children there I'd walk
out and wouldn't be back.
Just because I smoked in front of my child and he's turning out
okay doesn't mean it was the right decision to do that.

 

[Alien Traveler]

But as vapers, we are happy to find reports that show vaping is between 100 and 1000 times safer for ourselves as smoking

It's an interesting opinion. Can you confirm it somehow? (hint: there are no such reports)

 

[jseah]

I never smoked inside the house. If I smoked in front of my kids, it was when we were outdoors and it was always at a little distance from them. I do vape inside the house, but not if any of my kids are in the same room. I smoked in my car, but never when anyone else in my family was in the car. This still applies with vaping. And my kids aren't little ones any more. My oldest is 20 and my youngest is 17. I would never bring them to a vape lounge unless I was going to pick up something and leave (actually I would never just hang out in a vape lounge for a significant amount of time) same as I would not bring them to a bar to sit there and drink.

 

[Foggin Munky]

This has gotten interesting because I see a lot of folks that seem to be basing their opinion on the idea that it is a poor example to set. One argument I heard (on the radio) against vaping was that "it normalizes smoking behavior". I think that is the core of the issue right there. One has to decide - is it bad or is it not. I don't mean less bad than cigarettes, I mean - is it OK or not. I think that is where the divide is actually coming from. If vaping is not a negative behavior then what could make a vape shop an adult environment?

I'm probably not explaining what I mean correctly I hope I got close enough where y'all can kinda get what I'm trying to say.

 

[Alien Traveler]

This has gotten interesting because I see a lot of folks that seem to be basing their opinion on the idea that it is a poor example to set. One argument I heard (on the radio) against vaping was that "it normalizes smoking behavior". I think that is the core of the issue right there. One has to decide - is it bad or is it not. I don't mean less bad than cigarettes, I mean - is it OK or not. I think that is where the divide is actually coming from. If vaping is not a negative behavior then what could make a vape shop an adult environment?

I'm probably not explaining what I mean correctly I hope I got close enough where y'all can kinda get what I'm trying to say.

It is an adult entertainment. Not bad at all, but adult.