Now you are thinking. I have answer for the first part of your post but I can't say I have a real answer for part that baffles us all. Science doesn't have all the answers but I believe that someday it will. One part is nothing but holes IMO. The science part isn't afraid to reject what it believed to be true based on new discoveries. That has always fascinated me.
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Now you are thinking. I have answer for the first part of your post but I can't say I have a real answer for part that baffles us all. Science doesn't have all the answers but I believe that someday it will. One part is nothing but holes IMO. The science part isn't afraid to reject what it believed to be true based on new discoveries. That has always fascinated me.
You won't be disappointed. I have one and love it. Also take a look at the Origen rda, my favorite. And yes, they are originals. I actually have as many original devices as I do clones. The originals are almost always better quality. But if they can't be had because everyone is out of stock, I'll settle for a replica. It's kind of like buying a hammer for work, a lot of them look identical, but they are most definitely of different qualities.
Sometimes I hate using the Swype keyboard on this tablet. It seems to sometimes randomly choose the wrong word. Lol.
not 1 in 5 animals. 1 partial/near complete/complete fossil of a species in 5.
Of course that assumes the happy accident that the dang thing is actually FOUND. There likely are millions of fossils in the ocean floor that no one can get to.
I can find a Hammer for you if you want. They aren't cheap. I will be in Korea again in a couple of months and am going to do some research on their mods. Great products and very poor marketing and communication. Almost bought a clone just for one little part recently but couldn't make myself do it as long as there was a hope of getting the real part.
The threads and engravings are the differences I have found in the few clones I have held. I am sure there are exceptions.
LOL, I only fly with Estwing hammers. Been using them for 30 years! And made in the good old USA, so they say!
Very cool they have a 100% mech version either just came out or is about to. I am REALLY interested in that beast.
Mechanical is out: Silver Bullet M - Mechanical Mod - SBM - AltSmoke
Out of stock that is......maybe there is a clone out there..............LOL
Nah I will wait for the real deal
I have been wanting a silver bullet since I started vaping nearly a year ago.
China can make plenty proper products and still get away with charging FAR less than any company here due to a huge difference in living expenses and thus satisfactory earning difference.
Why haven't people looked at this "issue" from a luxury standpoint? If clones aren't as spiffy and extremely-properly functional as originals, originals will have the same demand they already do. Those on a budget would never get $150-200 RBAs regardless of alternatives. Those without a budget will bite for the premium factor.
Why haven't people looked at this "issue" from a luxury standpoint? If clones aren't as spiffy and extremely-properly functional as originals, originals will have the same demand they already do. Those on a budget would never get $150-200 RBAs regardless of alternatives. Those without a budget will bite for the premium factor.
I have collected the most expensive e-cigs and still have a very nice collection and I support creativity and I love watching people kick the analogs..
When I see someone with a new idea that pushes e-cigs forward or simply makes a sick looking device I can't help myself.
Now I have a lot of people asking me for devices "friends ect ect" I can't expect them to pay $400 for a great rig. They want to test and play as we all know. Now most of us went in at the deep end and spent a lot of money and took the leap of faith. Not everyone will do this.
I buy clones in bulks and I have ready set up rigs for people that want to try.. and on my travels I sell them and the simpler the better and thats where China comes in very handy. Some of the people I have helped have turned up 5 months later still with some clone but show me pictures of great stuff they have bought for using in the house.
The main object is to get everyone into e-cigs and the Caravelas and the LEs will gain value in the long run.. of course now they'll take a dip but quality assured companies that have established themselves as creative e-cig designers will be fine.
China and the e-cig scenario goes way back and I'm greatly thankful for them providing cheap stuff.. at first it was just atomizers ect ect and when they started trying to clone the GGTS (for example) it was pretty comical and the results were horrific but now they seem to be getting a grip and simply copying easy to make mods.. quality sometimes becoming satisfactory considering the price they sell. They helped start it all and they certainly won't fail in being a massive part of it in the future.
It boils down to this.. for me.
I want my friends to quit and they will. Thanks to China.
I love it when my friends start buying real nice stuff as we can exchange ect ect.. and they do thanks to creative designers.
But I'll still pay over 1k for an item for my collection if it's something I want.
When I see someone with a new idea that pushes e-cigs forward or simply makes a sick looking device I can't help myself.
Now I have a lot of people asking me for devices "friends ect ect" I can't expect them to pay $400 for a great rig. They want to test and play as we all know. Now most of us went in at the deep end and spent a lot of money and took the leap of faith. Not everyone will do this.
I buy clones in bulks and I have ready set up rigs for people that want to try.. and on my travels I sell them and the simpler the better and thats where China comes in very handy. Some of the people I have helped have turned up 5 months later still with some clone but show me pictures of great stuff they have bought for using in the house.
The main object is to get everyone into e-cigs and the Caravelas and the LEs will gain value in the long run.. of course now they'll take a dip but quality assured companies that have established themselves as creative e-cig designers will be fine.
China and the e-cig scenario goes way back and I'm greatly thankful for them providing cheap stuff.. at first it was just atomizers ect ect and when they started trying to clone the GGTS (for example) it was pretty comical and the results were horrific but now they seem to be getting a grip and simply copying easy to make mods.. quality sometimes becoming satisfactory considering the price they sell. They helped start it all and they certainly won't fail in being a massive part of it in the future.
It boils down to this.. for me.
I want my friends to quit and they will. Thanks to China.
I love it when my friends start buying real nice stuff as we can exchange ect ect.. and they do thanks to creative designers.
But I'll still pay over 1k for an item for my collection if it's something I want.
I love my m16 clone. It's not a counterfeit, because it was sold to me as a clone. Counterfeits are clones sold as the real deal. The good news is, no one else has to use my mod.
I'll play the devil's advocate here and say, if the Chinese are undercutting the original mod makers with 1:1 clones and charging half less than the original mod makers...
It's the mod makers fault for losing money.
Wait, why am I even throwing my hat into the ring here? I couldn't care less about clones or the real deal. I only own one clone, I knew it was a clone, and it wasn't sold to me as anything other than a clone.
Also, no one cares whether or not you have a clone or the real deal. The only people who care about that are people who care about that, and they're few and far between; they only matter to each other, just like any other collectibles club. Show your genuine Nemmy or Caravela to someone who doesn't care either way and they'll say, "Hey, nice metal tube!"
"But... it's genuine... I paid three hundred dollars... Look at it! Admire it! Ooh and aah over it! Respect me more as a human being because I bought the original and not the clone! ADMIRE IT! LOOK UPON ME AND RESPECT ME!!!"
I have no stake in this argument. Peace out, yo.
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Hmmm... let's see the logic.
Creationism has absolutely no scientific basis. Thus, don't teach it in my science classes. Simple, no?
I wouldn't deny your right to believe in it, or teach it to your own children (I'd be critical of it, but I wouldn't deny you it). But I will fight to keep it out of the classroom. You know, the whole separation of church and state principle that our Founding Fathers were so interested in.
Science has a rather great reputation for taking religious-fueled beliefs of the natural world and proving them wrong. Copernicus did it, Galileo did it (and Galileo was under house arrest for most of his life for doing so). It's not going to be long before it happens again.
Sorry, not trying to derail the thread. Here's something on topic:
Originals = good
Clones = not as good
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