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This. Thank you!
No, because by buying these counterfeits to begin with, you're helping creating a market for their manufacturers. If people refused to by these fakes with the original manufacturer's name and logo on them (and in many cases a mis-represented country of origin), then they would stop making them.
I have no disdain for Chinese products if they are honest. First and foremost, that means not putting some other manufacturer's name, logo, and a misrepresented country of origin on them, because that's blatantly dishonest, not to mention illegal.
Secondly it means doing your own R&D and design work instead of simply copying somebody else's product. You see, it's always more expensive to actually design and develop an original product than it is to simply copy it. By simply copying a design instead of making the effort to develop something on their own, they are effectively stealing someone else's work. However, when it comes to devices that aren't patented (and don't have software embedded in them), this generally isn't illegal.
lol this same crap again, take everything apart from your house, car or even legit usa made e cig before running on about China made mods or anything china made. guess what you will find in all those usa made things, components stamped made in china lol. ive took washers, dryers, game consoles, microwaves, cars and some or cliamed to made in certain countrys but have china markings on them.
you cant really bash any china clones if the things you use have china made components. only people I see who would be mad are the people that paid alot $ and dont like that someone got something just as good for cheap. if the quality is of good standard and does the job then why pay extra, I dont get it. I have a pair of great running shoes that cost me £35, why would I pay £150 for top range nike pair. yes the ones I have are a copy from a different company but are good quality and do the job.
you cant really bash any china clones if the things you use have china made components. only people I see who would be mad are the people that paid alot $ and dont like that someone got something just as good for cheap. if the quality is of good standard and does the job then why pay extra, I dont get it. I have a pair of great running shoes that cost me £35, why would I pay £150 for top range nike pair. yes the ones I have are a copy from a different company but are good quality and do the job.
No, the worst thing to happen to our economy is the big manufacturers keeping their heads in the sand about what was happening in China and refusing to change an outdated, archaic business model with stupidly wasteful practices, and then trying to play catch-up AFTER the poop hit the fan. When you see a challenger, you either gear up to face the challenge, or you run around in circles screaming "the sky is falling". We, collectively, chose option 2. Just my two cents.
I currently own (counting atomizers and mechs) seven clones and four originals, with one clone and two more originals on the way.
My jacket is made in Bangladesh, my boots in China, I work for a company owned in Europe, and I was made in the Steel Valley. It's rapidly evolving into a global economy.
I don't really have anything against China. If those 1:1 clones are any indication of what China is capable of, then all they need are some original ideas and they could justifiably own the world's economy. But until then, I do support the original mod makers. I recently saw on Mojo's Facebook page that he might discontinue making the Chi_You because of the clones, and if that's not China hurting a mod maker, I don't know what is.
However, I feel the blame does not fall on China itself. It would be similar to if your boss fired you, and replaced you with someone who would do the same job for 75% less money. You wouldn't blame that guy working for pennies, you would blame the company! So if Mojo does stop making the Chi_You, I will blame the people willing to snub him, not the people who make it possible. I hate using Biblical references, but here we go:
Is human sin the fault of Satan, just for creating temptation? No, it's the fault of Adam and Eve, who took the bait.
well this is going to be problematic seeing how most of your
american vapor products are in fact made in china to the companies specs.
even the 100% made in usa mods use electronics made in china.
stanley,craftsman and other tools are made there too.
don't under estimate chinese manufacturing prowess.
they hand machined to 1/10000 of an inch the propellers for there first quiet nuclear subs.
(direct rip off of ours but that's a different story and we had to use a quarter of a million dollar lathe.)
if you want quality you can get it for the price.
most of the junk we get from them wasn't intended for the american market.
it was intended for the asian market at a price point they can afford.
the trouble is over production and unethical sellers and vendors trying to make the fast buck.
the re-sellers here have to know when they see something at a third of wholesale that
it wont perform as the intended product.
there are many things we can afford now that they are made in china.
and lastly lets remember its our's and china's governments policies that
are responsible for today's political climate.not our peoples.
respectfully submitted,
mike
american vapor products are in fact made in china to the companies specs.
even the 100% made in usa mods use electronics made in china.
stanley,craftsman and other tools are made there too.
don't under estimate chinese manufacturing prowess.
they hand machined to 1/10000 of an inch the propellers for there first quiet nuclear subs.
(direct rip off of ours but that's a different story and we had to use a quarter of a million dollar lathe.)
if you want quality you can get it for the price.
most of the junk we get from them wasn't intended for the american market.
it was intended for the asian market at a price point they can afford.
the trouble is over production and unethical sellers and vendors trying to make the fast buck.
the re-sellers here have to know when they see something at a third of wholesale that
it wont perform as the intended product.
there are many things we can afford now that they are made in china.
and lastly lets remember its our's and china's governments policies that
are responsible for today's political climate.not our peoples.
respectfully submitted,
mike
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according to the internet Murca missed the boat on the whole "e-cig" thing. The technology was here in some form from the late 60's there just was not a market for it.
China made the market for e-cigs around 2005 or 2006.
Murca makes a few devices and claims better quality than chinese stuff on now chinese technology.
Europe follows suit.
China clones the Murcan and Euro adaptations of their current tech.
Some Murcans mad.
Buy what you can afford or want to afford, vape and be happy. The system is spun so far out of control there is no going back.
my pennies on it.
China made the market for e-cigs around 2005 or 2006.
Murca makes a few devices and claims better quality than chinese stuff on now chinese technology.
Europe follows suit.
China clones the Murcan and Euro adaptations of their current tech.
Some Murcans mad.
Buy what you can afford or want to afford, vape and be happy. The system is spun so far out of control there is no going back.
my pennies on it.
With a lot of our vaping products someone gets ripped off either way. You can be the ripper, and buy the clone, or you can be the rippee, and buy the origional. Someday folks will figure out that if their product is priced properly, there would be less reason to clone it.
BTW, there are as many US made parts on a Toyota as there are on a Ford.
BTW, there are as many US made parts on a Toyota as there are on a Ford.
I agree 100%. And I enjoy watching RipTrippers videos on Youtube as well. They are entertaining, and very good tutorials for safely building coils.
In my opinion the majority of people who buy clones or knockoffs want a decent functioning device at a reasonable price. They are not showing off their clone as if it were original saying "look what I just bought!"
I will continue to buy clones, as the original's are a ripoff at the price they are asking. I can't wait until Harbor Freight starts selling them....... (yes I buy cheap tools as well, and they perform fine)
I will continue to buy clones, as the original's are a ripoff at the price they are asking. I can't wait until Harbor Freight starts selling them.......
(yes I buy cheap tools as well, and they perform fine)
Then my question is... why buy it? There are plenty at least semi-original mods from china (not counterfeits). If there was a cheap exact replica of a Rolls Royce, why would someone buy it? Just for the illusion of driving one? What would it do that an original Toyota couldn't?
This is the great contradiction I can't understand. You say a mod is a ripoff and bash the makers for charging insane prices... then you buy an item that they essentially created.
I like RipTripper's videos, because he's thorough with his explanations, however, lately I try not to watch them because for some odd reason his vids are 1 second edits/cuts
(OHO! he found firing button on his new edit software and now can't stop using it) ... sorry, it's become hard to watch and may cause seizures
Well in the case of mechanical PV's I have to dissagree with your analigy. Every bottom button mechanical out there is a rippff of a mod designed by "Trog" in 2008.
Want a good laugh?? (March 2009)
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regarding clones i would say selling devices with logo's and brand names is totally illegal and
unethical.
however if one was to make a device called(insert any name here)and it has all
the features of(insert brand name here) at a lower price then its up to the buyer to
decide.
in the watch industry there are many watch makers that make what would be called homages.
looks similar to but is not a rolex,omega,tag,brieghtling etc.. .
and they are not branded as such.
just look at how many cars in a similar category look so much alike.
regards
mike
unethical.
however if one was to make a device called(insert any name here)and it has all
the features of(insert brand name here) at a lower price then its up to the buyer to
decide.
in the watch industry there are many watch makers that make what would be called homages.
looks similar to but is not a rolex,omega,tag,brieghtling etc.. .
and they are not branded as such.
just look at how many cars in a similar category look so much alike.
regards
mike
I get it with the fact people buy Chinese clones. Some people just don't have the cash to buy the authentic ones. Only problem I have is how they market it as the real thing. Not a fan of how they even engrave fake serial numbers.
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