Chinese clones Rant / Discussion

[espkh123]

well I like them lol.

was getting my innokin vv v3 from my b&m costings me £65, untill I seen fast tech sell the original for £24 which innokin cliam fake but its not fake. they just get it from the china factory they get to make them or something lol. seen a uk vendor selling for £30 which is better for customer service so thats my choice. can anyone seriously tell me why I should buy this from my b&m who are registered retailers for innokin products for a extra £35, hell I can buy two from that online vendor and a bottle of juice for £65. theres being loyal and theres being stupid, if my b&m was even at £40 id buy from them for it being easier and faster. no way do they need that much to make a profit.

Holy .... my B&M store charged me 35 USD for my vv 3.0. More than online but not a lot more - I support them because their prices are fair. Unless they start selling clones for 30% more than online.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Clones are basically counterfeits unless the product has been contracted out.

If people rely on patent infringement to dictate counterfeits than, I don't know what to tell you.

But every hobby has counterfeits/fakes. In golf there are many fake clubs and drivers. In cars there are many fake wheels and parts. In watches there are many faked high end watches.

It's one thing to buy the fakes. But be proud of buying them? Now that's laughable.


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That brings up an interesting point. A quality aftermarket fender or headlamp looks and functions exactly the same as the one from Ford or Honda. It's not marketed as being a part made by Ford, is not OK'd by Ford. Same with a radiator, brake booster, and every other part in an Autozone or Napa. So is it just the logos that people get pissy about? Or Is it that the status of owning something high end is tarnished in some minds if its not as exclusive as they thought?

 

[Tugg n chase]

I'm not going to go back and read all of this, but want to add my I will most certainly by clones because I see no need, nor do I have the budget for most of the high priced gear.
Having said that...I will only buy them from a US vendor so that at least part of money stays here

 

[Brusky]

That brings up an interesting point. A quality aftermarket fender or headlamp looks and functions exactly the same as the one from Ford or Honda. It's not marketed as being a part made by Ford, is not OK'd by Ford. Same with a radiator, brake booster, and every other part in an Autozone or Napa. So is it just the logos that people get pissy about? Or Is it that the status of owning something high end is tarnished in some minds if its not as exclusive as they thought?

Were not talking about competing brands, or cheap alternatives.

Were talking about counterfeits, A.K.A a fake or replica. People who buy these fakes stand behind there ideology that the original is overpriced and rare so they buy these cheap counterfeits to counteract it because they should be able to own one.
There are many great cheap mechanical mods available, but everyone wants the Nemesis, or the Chi You, or the Caravela, etc. And for a reason at that.

No reason to get pissy about people buying counterfeits, but there is no reason to lie about the reason for buying one either..

 

[ConradM]

You might want to find a new alternative to smoking/vaping my friend. Seeing as how ecigs originated in China.

 

[Brusky]

Some people make even less than that.
A few people will be lucky if the get 500 a month and they have bills to pay too.
All I'm saying is 940 a month is close to 12,000 a year. That is more than some who vape. Hell - some people make 5,000 a year and vape. You think they can justify spending 200 on a mod, 100 on a dripper, 100 on an RBA, then other supplies?
Thats all I mean, it lets everyone have mech mods.
If only pricey authentics were out we would have a lot of people still smoking cigarettes. Some people hate regulated mods and they don't work - everyone is different.

That is a dull justification.

If someone makes 12,000 a year buying high end gear should be near the bottom of their priority. You don't need a nemesis mod, or a few hundred dollar RBA.. There are many great $20-50 mech mods, and $20 RBA's..

Thats like saying fake Rolex and Breitlings allows everyone to own a watch...

 

[crxess]

Couple of posters need to stop ASSuming.

I rarely know why I buy some of the things I do. Seems to be mostly curiosity.

If I'm not sure, no way you can have a clue why I do anything. After all you really have no idea what I or my life is all about.

Now, if people buy Replica's to pump up the ego or whatever without the expense, then why the heck do I also have 2 Sigelei 8w Mods, a Sigelei Telescoping Mod and several KDS Storm Mods? Oops and my 2 Sigelei #20's that actually work right.

I really don't get the supposed point.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Were not talking about competing brands, or cheap alternatives.

Were talking about counterfeits, A.K.A a fake or replica. People who buy these fakes stand behind there ideology that the original is overpriced and rare so they buy these cheap counterfeits to counteract it because they should be able to own one.
There are many great cheap mechanical mods available, but everyone wants the Nemesis, or the Chi You, or the Caravela, etc. And for a reason at that.

No reason to get pissy about people buying counterfeits, but there is no reason to lie about the reason for buying one either..

It sounds to me like exactly what we are talking about. What makes an aftermarket Ford fender anything less than a counterfeit? Ford designed every aspect of the original, from thickness of the sheetmetal, aerodynamics, aesthetic qualities, etc. Somebody took that part and 1 to 1 cloned it. Keystone then buys that part, and I pay for those parts instead of the Ford one day in and day out in my job. The only place where this logic is flawed, is in the logos. you can't buy an aftermarket ford emblem, because Ford has a TM on it.

I have a couple of mech mods that are not clones, paid more money for them than I did my Nemesis clone, and the clone works better. It is what it is, and that's why I use it. I could give a hang what logo is on it, and wouldn't mind at all if it didn't have the logo. If that makes me morally repugnant, then so be it. I've done a lot worse things in my life than buy a clone mech mod for $40. So when we balance the scales at the end of the day, I don't think I'm going to let it bother me much.

 

[Jman8]

IMO, what makes all this much more feasible is if you are replicating and selling a copy of the original, you share your revenue with the originator. Doesn't have to be much, but something is better than nothing. Whether you are legal company doing business or questionable company doing it, give money to original designer(s) and keep whatever else for yourself. Hopefully, as a seller, you aren't greedy and in this for the profit. Just give some of what you (ahem) earned to person who came up with actual design.

 

[Mostwasted]

It's all great until it's your job, idea or product that gets outsourced or stolen.

Finally someone that got the point of the post, Thank you!!! Not once did I say anything about looking down on anyone or try to tell anyone what they should or should not buy. I simply said that china was not good for our economy and I am against made in china.

You might want to find a new alternative to smoking/vaping my friend. Seeing as how ecigs originated in China.

Umm no, Patent US3200819 - Smokeless non-tobacco cigarette - Google Patents

 

[Zealous]

only people I see who would be mad are the people that paid alot $ and dont like that someone got something just as good for cheap.

I wouldn't say I'm "mad" but I think your statement is incorrect. I don't like clones of mods because I don't like playing a gambling game where I pay some money for an item & then hope I get one of the good clones of that item. I did buy a clone one time & that's exactly what my experience was. Mine didn't work at all. Others bought the same clone & theirs worked just fine. I'd much prefer to pay for the original & know it's going to work just the way it should. & I could care less if someone else bought the same item for cheap & theirs worked. It takes nothing away from my satisfaction over getting what I paid for.

 

[Vermonster13]

One thing about the clones is they can make it difficult to know if you are actually buying an original.

 

[espkh123]

That is a dull justification.

If someone makes 12,000 a year buying high end gear should be near the bottom of their priority. You don't need a nemesis mod, or a few hundred dollar RBA.. There are many great $20-50 mech mods, and $20 RBA's..

Thats like saying fake Rolex and Breitlings allows everyone to own a watch...

Let me rephrase that highlighted sentence.
"Thats all I mean, it lets everyone have mech mods that are aesthetically pleasing to them."
When I bought my first mech mod, I bought it from a B&M store near me.
It was a nemesis clone.
Did I know who makes the original one? Yes
Did I know the price? Yes
I still liked the look of it and had 100 dollars in my pocket for a mech kit.

I like the designs, I own mech mods that are authentic too (recently). Why did I buy them? Aesthetics and functionality. Warranty is a huge plus.
A lot of mods are designed over seas and I can order from the Phillipines, Greece. That is the same as sending money to China - doesn't remain in the US.
Clones are widely available in the U.S too which is why vapers have them. Also, they aesthetically please them. If authentic prices were lower - they would be bought. But they have to be IMPORTED.
Not too many USA mods (that I have seen) are aesthetically pleasing and still functional.

Also -
Rolex is made in Sweden
Breitling is Swiss

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I also don't believe our vaping has a big effect on the economy, while there is some and every little bit helps.
All the juices I buy are made in the US and I support local B&M stores.

 

[espkh123]

One thing about the clones is they can make it difficult to know if you are actually buying an original.

Why I am scared to buy on classifieds sometimes if they don't come with documentation.
Companies should have a database that users input SN's in to register and show that one is pending trade or is being sold. Then the new owner should register it with a code on the COA.
My 2cents

 

[Heavyrocker]

Its not the ''peoples'' fault,its govts with the free trade agreements= slave labour overseas.

 

[Zealous]

One thing about the clones is they can make it difficult to know if you are actually buying an original.

I agree. I have only purchased 1 other mod & it came from the creator's site so I know it's an original. And the other mod I'm saving for will also come from the creator's site, but mainly because that's the only place selling that particular mod. But it does make it really confusing for consumers.

 

[espkh123]

I wouldn't say I'm "mad" but I think your statement is incorrect. I don't like clones of mods because I don't like playing a gambling game where I pay some money for an item & then hope I get one of the good clones of that item. I did buy a clone one time & that's exactly what my experience was. Mine didn't work at all. Others bought the same clone & theirs worked just fine. I'd much prefer to pay for the original & know it's going to work just the way it should. & I could care less if someone else bought the same item for cheap & theirs worked. It takes nothing away from my satisfaction over getting what I paid for.

Thats how I am, the authentic is 99% of the time will be better than a clone.
HCigar makes well put together clones which is the only clone company I have bought from.
Also, you know if yours breaks and so does theirs, you are covered under a warranty. They aren't.
I don't get mad either. If they make a stingray clone I wont feel mad either.
They obviously like the design too.
I dont feel special for owning authentics, I just trust it is built with quality and care.

 

[Vermonster13]

Why I am scared to buy on classifieds sometimes if they don't come with documentation.
Companies should have a database that users input SN's in to register and show that one is pending trade or is being sold. Then the new owner should register it with a code on the COA.
My 2cents

But then that would add more cost and drive even more clone sales.

Of course if you were really smart you'd build a beautiful, expensive and hard to get mod. Get them cloned and sell them as your originals and sell them at original price. Warranty would be no issue at that profit.

 

[espkh123]

I agree. I have only purchased 1 other mod & it came from the creator's site so I know it's an original. And the other mod I'm saving for will also come from the creator's site, but mainly because that's the only place selling that particular mod. But it does make it really confusing for consumers.

Only place I have found that I trust are sites that offer the item upon release if it is brand new! *E.X - Vaperev.com
There aren't any clones made so I know what they are selling is legit.
When I see people selling or companies selling items that have been cloned I tend to worry.

 

[espkh123]

But then that would add more cost and drive even more clone sales.

Of course if you were really smart you'd build a beautiful, expensive and hard to get mod. Get them cloned and sell them as your originals and sell them at original price. Warranty would be no issue at that profit.

Mind = Blown.

But seriously though, once the build quality goes down then most people will steer clear.
If it is an exact replica then who cares. Same thing pretty much - just outsourced.