Clones... Why?
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ah i thought it was the Beatles... hahah
"so here i come, come and get it...
a fool and his money...
hey you can't take it with you and if you want to get a new innovation, you got to pay the cost to be the boss. Apparently theres enough of us out there to keep the innovators hopping.
"so here i come, come and get it...
a fool and his money...
hey you can't take it with you and if you want to get a new innovation, you got to pay the cost to be the boss. Apparently theres enough of us out there to keep the innovators hopping.
I think of cloners often when I think of the old "a fool and his money" chestnut.
They don't understand the difference between price and cost.
My collection certainly has a higher price.
Should I decide to sell them, they have cost me nothing. In all probability, the have made me money.
Ah well. buy cheap stuff, after a while, you own nothing.
They don't understand the difference between price and cost.
My collection certainly has a higher price.
Should I decide to sell them, they have cost me nothing. In all probability, the have made me money.
Ah well. buy cheap stuff, after a while, you own nothing.
I've found that since the evolution of clones, becoming "1:1" (to some extent) has made reselling the originals a bit more difficult, not to mention how many choices there are, and always more coming out.
"back in the day" if you could get a jump on early runs of high end mods that looked great, and turned out great, we call it "early adopters" those who buy the first run of something, you could easily sell it for close to and more what you paid.
Today, unless its an LE or rarified forget it. My advice buy something you are going to love ... and get your money's worth
or get a 1:1 clone... :0
ok perfect case in point: I bought a couple rarified NB Nemesis'... (i tell you, ecig evlotion happens fast!) for a time the NB Neme came out (2 or 3 runs only)... and upon high tech testing its performance, it was the one to beat in v drop (1 ohms load = 0.00... .5 load = .03 drop).
Folks who couldn't get one new (atmo didn't do any for a long time).... were paying $300. No more than a month or two after the last run, 1:1 clones started showin up. Hcigar and FT brass Neme's came out ( ,02 v drop on a .5 load) performance specs!
I never liked
So its not just NB Neme's but most 1:1 clones are kicking .... for 1/10 the price...
btw Atmo just ran NB Neme's (after a long long wait) a few days ago, with CNC engravings... sold out in a few minutes
"back in the day" if you could get a jump on early runs of high end mods that looked great, and turned out great, we call it "early adopters" those who buy the first run of something, you could easily sell it for close to and more what you paid.
Today, unless its an LE or rarified forget it. My advice buy something you are going to love ... and get your money's worth
or get a 1:1 clone... :0
ok perfect case in point: I bought a couple rarified NB Nemesis'... (i tell you, ecig evlotion happens fast!) for a time the NB Neme came out (2 or 3 runs only)... and upon high tech testing its performance, it was the one to beat in v drop (1 ohms load = 0.00... .5 load = .03 drop).
Folks who couldn't get one new (atmo didn't do any for a long time).... were paying $300. No more than a month or two after the last run, 1:1 clones started showin up. Hcigar and FT brass Neme's came out ( ,02 v drop on a .5 load) performance specs!
I never liked
So its not just NB Neme's but most 1:1 clones are kicking .... for 1/10 the price...
btw Atmo just ran NB Neme's (after a long long wait) a few days ago, with CNC engravings... sold out in a few minutes
First off I'm humbled by this education you gave me I've read the bible and its always assumed that this is there I just got done checking and you are correct. I did find this and its close
Proverbs 21:20
There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up.
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They are really different markets and you are paying for different reasons. Clones target cost conscious people who are just looking for a good mech to vape on. Originals are marketed to collectors and others who take pride in knowing their product is original, as well as those who appreciate the finer details of quality. If you are just looking for something to vape on, then you might feel it is ridiculous to spend that sort of cash. However, if you want more than just a battery tube, it will cost more and you are willing to pay more.
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The OP is asking exactly what "more" do you get?
No mech is truly an original design.
They are all modifications of a flashlight body.
That's why they are called mods.
So what "more" would one get for paying ten times the cost of a clone?
And is it really worth the premium asked?
( not just price, cost of going through all the unprofessionalism associated with buying a legit mod).
Why do some people only buy original works of art while others buy exact copies from art factories in China? There are websites you can order a copy painted to order. They look exactly the same.
Don't buy mods that are cloned.
Even if you do, many of the "1:1" clones have pressed parts, instead of machined.
I know many consider some mods to be work of arts, to be adored, lavishly and meticulously cared for, only properly displayed on it's own shrine while they say a silent prayer to the meaningless certificate of authenticity, framed as if it were a picture of their children.
I do not.
It is a tool, a tool I will use many hours a day, it will be dropped, it will be scratched, it will be dinged. It's only a matter of a time.
I'm not looking to collect art, or invest in a mod thinking it's value will hold or increase. I am buying a tool to use to keep me off analogs. I have no desire to sign up on wait lists for a chance to own a precious mod, nor prepay and wait an eternity for my number to come up to own the next big thing in the mod world. It's a metal tube, some in copper or brass (big whoop, not like these are precious metals here) with a connection point, a switch, and some kind of graphic.
Some tend to think of these things like they are fine high end Swiss watches, please. No real thought goes into the design itself of these things, no fine Swiss machinist slaves away for hours on it putting it together and tuning it. At best, maybe a day's worth of design time, a few weeks to have them built, most in some sweatshop in a third world craphole just like where the evil clones are built, but they do take their time with months to create the hype and buzz leading to its BS limited release. It's all artificially generated hype, pure and simple.
They could have these produced at fair prices and enough to satiate demand, but they don't. Instead they are in and out for the quick buck. The cloners do however, and until that paradigm changes my point of view will not change.
I do not.
It is a tool, a tool I will use many hours a day, it will be dropped, it will be scratched, it will be dinged. It's only a matter of a time.
I'm not looking to collect art, or invest in a mod thinking it's value will hold or increase. I am buying a tool to use to keep me off analogs. I have no desire to sign up on wait lists for a chance to own a precious mod, nor prepay and wait an eternity for my number to come up to own the next big thing in the mod world. It's a metal tube, some in copper or brass (big whoop, not like these are precious metals here) with a connection point, a switch, and some kind of graphic.
Some tend to think of these things like they are fine high end Swiss watches, please. No real thought goes into the design itself of these things, no fine Swiss machinist slaves away for hours on it putting it together and tuning it. At best, maybe a day's worth of design time, a few weeks to have them built, most in some sweatshop in a third world craphole just like where the evil clones are built, but they do take their time with months to create the hype and buzz leading to its BS limited release. It's all artificially generated hype, pure and simple.
They could have these produced at fair prices and enough to satiate demand, but they don't. Instead they are in and out for the quick buck. The cloners do however, and until that paradigm changes my point of view will not change.
There is a world of difference between my USA, German, Czech tools, vs. Harbour Freight junk...
You made the comparison to tools. A mod is a tool to me. If you worked with tools, you would understand the difference between good quality and junk. If you had a quality mod, you would understand the difference, as well...
While I have heard of "one" example of where a mod was marketed as being a high-end mod and it was being manufactured in China, I don't believe that this is the norm. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?
I was at the LA Vaper's Club meet yesterday and the Surefire Vapor guys showed up and donated a one-of-a-kind, serial #000 King to the free raffle. Had I been vaping on a King clone instead of the real thing I probably would have hidden it in shame. These are real people making their mods in the USA, not in China. It might not matter to everyone but it matters to me.
Lmao
The surefire king is a knock off of MoJo's Chi you mod.
Bad Analogy, and a worse example.
Not a bit different than the cloners at 10x the price.
Damn straight they are being cool..they are selling you a "clone" for $230 a pop.
China showed everyone they CAN be made AND sold for 1/10th the MSRP of a Surefire.
If you think a legit king is made far better than a 26$ clone you are kidding yourself, and should check out some of the latest clones.
'Murica!
Just to throw in my .02....
Those of us who buy clones do so because we want a decent device but are too poor to buy the original item. Those of you who bash us for that are a bunch of narcissistic snobs and forum trolls who get off on putting us down because you had the money when we didn't. When I bought a Nemesis clone and posted about it the trolls came after me three times so far in that thread. They all ended up on my ignore list. A list I happily add to with the increasing trolls on ECF.
If I bought an original Poldiac I would not eat for the rest of the month. Same goes for the Nemesis clone I bought. If you want to bash me for that you are just an egotistical pig who needs to bash others to feel good about yourself because you had more money than I did. I'm not impressed with that.
There are clones because they meet a need. That's the reality of the market. Always has been. If you have a problem with that it's because you want to be an elitist snob who can look down on the rest of us.
Not something I have any respect for.
Those of us who buy clones do so because we want a decent device but are too poor to buy the original item. Those of you who bash us for that are a bunch of narcissistic snobs and forum trolls who get off on putting us down because you had the money when we didn't. When I bought a Nemesis clone and posted about it the trolls came after me three times so far in that thread. They all ended up on my ignore list. A list I happily add to with the increasing trolls on ECF.
If I bought an original Poldiac I would not eat for the rest of the month. Same goes for the Nemesis clone I bought. If you want to bash me for that you are just an egotistical pig who needs to bash others to feel good about yourself because you had more money than I did. I'm not impressed with that.
There are clones because they meet a need. That's the reality of the market. Always has been. If you have a problem with that it's because you want to be an elitist snob who can look down on the rest of us.
Not something I have any respect for.
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I just wish China would make more mods that were 1/10th the price and WEREN'T clones. I just ordered a clone, but I would have been happier if there were more interesting non-clone choices.
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