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This is a loaded question.

My main complaint is similar to others, they dominate the market. "More huge vapor" but what if I don't want that? Part of the reason vaping is successful is that it's customizable. Just listen to any reviewer and anything not oriented to big clouds is called "for the beginner". Why? Because it's convienent, easy, portable, stealthy, pretty (backlash against that too), simple ... so there is a mindset involved. A person either vapes for clouds or they are a beginner. Wrong.

That's my personal opinion.

In their defence, I enjoy being around people who enjoy themselves and their enthusiasm is infectious. I doubt the vaping industry would be what it is today without them. They tend to be the backbone, the drivers, the advocates, the ones who fuel the lastest developments even if it does look like they push equipment to the max. That's why we are using 50+ watt devices now instead of 15 watts. Tanks have evolved to satisfy them so it's not fair to complain too loudly since we all tend to benefit from their advances in equipment, just maybe a generation behind. It all works out in the end.

I do sorta wish cloud chasing would become more recognized as a hobby / sport, since I think that's what it really is. I've seen signs of it with "competition" gear and talk about circuits and tournaments in cloud chasing. From what I've heard, there is a talent developed to get clouds hanging together for 6+ feet. Competitions have equipment checked for safety and I think if it was recognized, some of the tension would ease.

However there is a huge backlash and I'm not a good one to explain it since I'm not fully understanding of it myself.

A lot of it has to do with kids vaping, many of them using 0% nic, but they are underage, attempting to buy gear and being very bold about it. Recently our local vape group discovered several kiddie Facebook pages. Just like adult groups, there were some kids mixing and selling eliquids (0-3% nic), mod builders, trading and selling with about 100 members per group. This is a town of 500k. One of our members recognized several being in middle school. YIKES. Their personal pages boasted blowing huge clouds - that was the sole focus of these groups.

That's the backlash against cloud chasers - whether intentional or not, the high visabiity of big clouds is that it's attracting kids. Try explaining to media that they aren't using nic. It may not be directly their fault (I tend to think any action with the word "ban" in it will attract kids), they are the ones left with the responsibility. It's a tough situation full of greys and it's under a microscope right now.

We all know that politicizing vaping is wrong. It would help appearances out a lot if cloud chasing was toned down a notch for awhile until this attraction to kids is figured out (along with the rest of the garbage from Wash DC). It doesn't help to antagonize.

Anyway, that's the backlash as I see it.




Hi there!

Ive noticed a bit of a backlash against chasing clouds from a few posters. I wonder why that is? While i do prefer a more powerful and flavorful vape alongside relatively robust clouds, im not particularly interested in the cloud chasing hobby. I like my nicotine and i like tasting my juices. Beyond the novelty of blowing huge plumes of vape, i dont see myself as a cloud chaser.

But i dont have anything against them.

For me, vaping is both hobby and necessity to avoid analogs. Im an addict. Im not ashamed of that. But i can appreciate the purely hobbyist approach to vaping. But why, o' leavened and unleavened masses of the forums, is there ANY backlash against cloud chasing?

I mean, is it so bad to spend the equivalent of a mortgage payment on vaping equipment?
 
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This is a loaded question.

My main complaint is similar to others, they dominate the market. "More huge vapor" but what if I don't want that? Part of the reason vaping is successful is that it's customizable. Just listen to any reviewer and anything not oriented to big clouds is called "for the beginner". Why? Because it's convienent, easy, portable, stealthy, pretty (backlash against that too), simple ... so there is a mindset involved. A person either vapes for clouds or they are a beginner. Wrong.

That's my personal opinion.





there were people ridding horses who scoffed at the ford driving buy also.
Yes it's all the raige right now but instead of envy
Turn that frown up side down Mr Clown tootle poofer equipment is at a all time low. You can get some pretty good gear that use to be at a premium price.

If everything thing and all reviewers are strictly sub ohm wouldn't that suggest that the market has spoken.

Things evolve and change there will always be a portion of people who resist this.
I'm not even saying change is for the better but it's inevitable the fact that you don't like or approve of the direction of this or any change or fad will not slow or stop how it's moving.
You can take a little comfert in knowing one of these days there will be cloud chasers posting the same kinds of posts when the trends moves in a different direction
 
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I'm glad I read this thread this morning. It reminded me that I'm out of Corn Flakes. While I'm out, I'm going to do another search for Cloud Chasers that are going to ruin vaping for everybody. The cereal ISLE is the best place to look. Bass fisherman seek out stumps and blow downs....Cloud Chaser hunters stick to cereal ISLES or checkout lines...
 

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I'm glad I read this thread this morning. It reminded me that I'm out of Corn Flakes. While I'm out, I'm going to do another search for Cloud Chasers that are going to ruin vaping for everybody. The cereal ISLE is the best place to look. Bass fisherman seek out stumps and blow downs....Cloud Chaser hunters stick to cereal ISLES or checkout lines...
It's aisle Gilligan;)
 

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the majority of vapers are mtl and that isn't going to change any time soon. The reason it looks like everyone is cloud chasing is, well, there are multiple reasons.

1. technology for mtl tanks has pretty much peaked. There is a sweet spot for mtl, and it requires a more restrictive airflow, good flavor, and lower heat. You can't really top a k4 or Nautilus for mtl, so there isn't really going to be any new earth shaking new technology that changes everything for the vapers who vape this way. mtl vapers already have a choice of gear that will help them achieve their perfect vape.

2. the mtl vaper who has achieved their perfect vape isn't out there buying new hardware with any regularity. I vaped Joye 306LR attys for over 4 years before I changed my vaping style.

3. sub ohm vaping is a relatively new style of vaping, at least the proliferation of gear that is well suited to it is relatively new. Lots of new product for this niche of vaping, and it's what people are buying.

4. see #3, and then realize that since this is still pretty early days for sub ohming, new gear comes out for this style of vaping on a monthly basis. I have bought 3 vw mods, 3 sub ohm rtas and 2 rdas in the last 90 days, and if something new comes out this summer that looks like it will give me a build deck I like with a chamber designed to vape like I like, I will probably buy one, and if there are three that look that way to me, I will probably buy two of the three. Hence manufacturers are producing where the money is.

There are a lot of vapers at my day job and they all go to the smoking area throughout the day to vape. All I see are old school tanks, a lot of Kayfuns, and a couple people vaping Subtank Minis mtl with the airflow shut down to one hole. I am the only one there that lung hits and they all ask me why I blow so much vapor. When I give them the nutshell explanation about direct lung inhalation and the difference in hardware and how it affects the vape, only one has switched to lung hitting their gear. Mrs. Dr. still vapes mtl and has no interest in lung hitting her Lemo Drop, and I have to be careful how I build for her so the vape isn't too hot for her.

Sub ohm vaping totally changed how I vape. A lot of people new to vaping are coming in when it's the de facto standard for new gear and will take right to it, but for those who have already been vaping for years not all are going to embrace this different style of vaping when they're perfectly happy with how they've been doing it. Sub ohm was exactly what I was looking for because I always wanted more of everything from my vape and getting the right 5v or 6v setup put together back in the day was too difficult because of the limitations we had with premade attys. I bailed on high voltage before I should have because it was just easier to stick with LR attys on 3.7v devices, so sub ohm made it easy for me to get that hotter vape I liked that I didn't work hard enough to find in the old days. Not everyone is like me though, and a lot of people are perfectly happy vaping their Kayfuns at 10w, but they're also not the ones spending money on vape gear. I spent way too much time making my point and probably lost the plot :)
 

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    I've noticed a bit of a backlash against chasing clouds from a few posters.

    Yes & no. The backlash is only about the idea that cloud chasing is the only show in town, and has nothing to do with the pros & cons of cloud chasing. Many of us that have gone "hay wait a minute" also like to chase a nice cloud sometimes. We just understand that there are other ways to vape that are just as satisfying for their own reasons.



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    Yes & no. The backlash is only about the idea that cloud chasing is the only show in town, and has nothing to do with the pros & cons of cloud chasing. Many of us that have gone "hay wait a minute" also like to chase a nice cloud sometimes. We just understand that there are other ways to vape that are just as satisfying for their own reasons.



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    I agree...I like any style of vaping I choose at any given time. The radical right or radical left make me want to take the opposing side. When there are two sides, there is a middle.
     

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    Even budsrdo went on a rant about the market direction lately, he expressed the same feeling- nothing against the people doing it. But hey, where's the gear for the rest of us.
    I'm sorry but it's hard to feel sorry they have mountains of gear so the Subs get a little attention how bout a little love not one of Phills finer moments IMO
     

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    I have to wonder, is subohming driving the market or is the market driving them?
    Subohm started to appear with big clouds on youtube. More people started doing it as thats what they saw. And then as is the normal course china came along and said ok new fad and went balls out to chase it, of course doing this creates even more exposure further reenforcing to newer people that this is normal vaping.

    2 years ago they did the same thing with vv tube mods.
    1 year ago they did it with box mods and dna chips

    Whatever the direction just give china a few months and they will make sure they bring attention to it to drive sales.

    But already they are overdoing it and in typical fashion a tank that came out 3 months ago has been revised, made into several versions and the originals already forgotten about.

    Funny part is you get away from the walmart class and check out what top shelf manufacturers are doing and theres plenty of new "regular" gear china doesnt see a trend so they ignore it, thus creating the illusion that vaping is only about clouds

    Fasttech has 48 pages of drippers 1920 listings, and 6 genesis tanks.

    And the circle goes round.

    Just wait till the next thing comes along and youll be lucky to find a goliath on the shelf.

    Just like your lucky to find a selection if tube mods today
     
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    the cloud chasers modified everything to get big clouds. There weren't subohm tanks or wide open drippers. Drills and dremels were involved...they opened up stock attys, rebuilt coil heads....they found a way when there wasn't anything on the market geared towards them.

    Anyone complaining that the market isn't catering to their vape needs are just whiners. Pull apart that .5 subtank coil and throw about 15 wraps of .32 ga in there. Close down the airflow. Buy a Doge and throw some tape over the airholes..... OR...buy the kayfuns, Taifuns, Ubertoots, Erlkonigans, EVODS, or the million other devices made for standard vapers. They're out there. Subohm tanks are flying off the shelves...why wouldn't they keep popping them out?

    Is one to think cloud chasers are more creative and innovative?
     
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    Subohm started to appear with big clouds on youtube. More people started doing it as thats what they saw. And then as is the normal course china came along and said ok new fad and went balls out to chase it, of course doing thus creates even more exposure further reenforcing yo newer people that this is normal vaping.

    2 years ago they did the same thing twith vv tube mods.
    1 year ago they did it with box mods and dna chips

    Whatever the direction just give china a few months and they will make sure they bring attention to it to drive sales.

    But already they are overdoing it and in typical fashion a tank that came out 3 months ago has been revised, made into several versions and the originals already forgotten about.

    There are always those who have to live on the bleeding edge and have to have the latest greatest version out there. I will not go into my thoughts on that aspect of human behavior though :) Those in marketing and advertising have them figured out very well.
     

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    There are a ton of RTAs for m2l vapers out there. I can't say everything new is just for cloud chasers, although many of the cheaper ones coming out are.

    I've had a Lemo since it came out, and have the airflow half shut. I like it like that. I just got a Focloud, which can be set up single or dual, but it doesn't have the airflow to make giant clouds. Its on the tighter side. I have it built to 0.55 ohm and yet its a gentler vape that suits me quite well. A good dual coil atty for those that aren't cloud crazy for $30.
     

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    the cloud chasers modified everything to get big clouds. There weren't subohm tanks or wide open drippers. Drills and dremels were involved...they opened up stock attys, rebuilt coil heads....they found a way when there wasn't anything on the market geared towards them.

    Anyone complaining that the market isn't catering to their vape needs are just whiners. Pull apart that .5 subtank coil and throw about 15 wraps of .32 ga in there. Close down the airflow. Buy a Doge and throw some tape over the airholes..... OR...buy the kayfuns, Taifuns, Ubertoots, Erlkonigans, EVODS, or the million other devices made for standard vapers. They're out there. Subohm tanks are flying off the shelves...why wouldn't they keep popping them out?

    Is one to think cloud chasers are more creative and innovative?


    I drilled out the holes on my evod clones but still vape at 7 watts or so, does that make me a cloud chaser?
     
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