Ok. but the coil seems impregnated of tar. if it is not tar, what is?
Is simply is VG or PG that got on the coil unvaped--Remember--we are only conserened with what is in the vapor--take a look a Ruyan's latest tests--Sun
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Is simply is VG or PG that got on the coil unvaped--Remember--we are only conserened with what is in the vapor--take a look a Ruyan's latest tests--Sun
Exscuse me, what is VG and/or PG? Write not by Acronyms, please
ok, then vg and pg are soluble in water... but so when they burn? And when they burn close to the coil, are dangereus? i feel not good seeing the coil impregnated with a substance similar to tar...
what's really in the vapor of electronic cigarettes?
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no answer, so i mean that it's more tar than an "analogic sigarette"...
it's olnly a bisiness!!! i'm so stuff!!!
it's olnly a bisiness!!! i'm so stuff!!!
Calm down, you are jumping to conclusions
the 'tar' on the atomizer is due to degradation of the PG or VG,
and other e-liquid ingredients.
It is caused by local heating on the coil
- local oxidation and heat-reactions, forming 'burnt' solids
- just like the frying pan anology.
Heavy molecule oxidation/heat products may not be significantly in the vapour,
mainly because it is accumulating on the coil.
The question could be: what do you consider a significant amount,
and is it harmful even if a small amount is in the vapour.
And are we still comparing with real cigarettes ?
the 'tar' on the atomizer is due to degradation of the PG or VG,
and other e-liquid ingredients.
It is caused by local heating on the coil
- local oxidation and heat-reactions, forming 'burnt' solids
- just like the frying pan anology.
Heavy molecule oxidation/heat products may not be significantly in the vapour,
mainly because it is accumulating on the coil.
The question could be: what do you consider a significant amount,
and is it harmful even if a small amount is in the vapour.
And are we still comparing with real cigarettes ?
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the coil is full of tar... like a normal cigarette!!! THE E-CIG is a big fake!!!
Close-up photos can be quite misleading. The coil is actually tiny and the deposit takes at least a week or two to form just a few mg, whereas an analog can give a few mg of tar in just 1/2 of one cigarette. So while not zero, there is something like 500 times less deposit with vaping !
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Lost my objectiveness for a moment there.
I would estimate somewhere between 2000 to 10000 times more 'burnt organics'
inhaled with cigarettes than with vaping.
1 ciggie = 10 mg tar in the post-filter smoke, say you inhale half af that,
at 20 / day = 100 mg inhaled per day.
Vaping appears to make gunk on the coil at about 1/1000 th
of the amount of e-liquid vaped (estimated from actual tests).
If I had to give a high estimate of the amount of vapourised gunk inhaled
I would say about 1% of that found on the coil
(this is the variable bit, and that could be a gross over estimate).
So if you vape 1ml e-liquid per day --> 1 mg gunk on coil --> 0.01 mg gunk,
inhaled per day.
So:
ciggies 100 mg / vaping 0.01 mg = factor of 10000.
And the 'tar' involved in vaping doesn't contain full-out flame-burnt
products like ciggies, or contain the vast number of other nasty
chemicals, what extra factor could you give to that?
I would estimate somewhere between 2000 to 10000 times more 'burnt organics'
inhaled with cigarettes than with vaping.
1 ciggie = 10 mg tar in the post-filter smoke, say you inhale half af that,
at 20 / day = 100 mg inhaled per day.
Vaping appears to make gunk on the coil at about 1/1000 th
of the amount of e-liquid vaped (estimated from actual tests).
If I had to give a high estimate of the amount of vapourised gunk inhaled
I would say about 1% of that found on the coil
(this is the variable bit, and that could be a gross over estimate).
So if you vape 1ml e-liquid per day --> 1 mg gunk on coil --> 0.01 mg gunk,
inhaled per day.
So:
ciggies 100 mg / vaping 0.01 mg = factor of 10000.
And the 'tar' involved in vaping doesn't contain full-out flame-burnt
products like ciggies, or contain the vast number of other nasty
chemicals, what extra factor could you give to that?
I am wondering why exo is using the more relaxing fish avatar instead of the more intense and frightening one?
Ha! all peace & tranquility here.
Anyway the X-Files Tooms character was vaping human liver flavour,
which I don't like all that much.
Anyway the X-Files Tooms character was vaping human liver flavour,
which I don't like all that much.
My estimated figure of 1/500 was based on analogue 'lights' / 'smooths'.
It could be reasonably said to be around 1/500 to 1/1000.
But the next step of 1% being inhaled is perhaps not fair, as much of the tar from an analogue gets caught by the filter. That in vaping the deposit seemingly stays mostly on the coil might be misleading - it is possible/likely that there is a significant volatile element to the breakdown too, if not initially then as it is ashed (and perhaps not all harmless CO2 and water).
Nevertheless, this rough pointer suggests that vaping is far safer than smoking, IMO.
It could be reasonably said to be around 1/500 to 1/1000.
But the next step of 1% being inhaled is perhaps not fair, as much of the tar from an analogue gets caught by the filter. That in vaping the deposit seemingly stays mostly on the coil might be misleading - it is possible/likely that there is a significant volatile element to the breakdown too, if not initially then as it is ashed (and perhaps not all harmless CO2 and water).
Nevertheless, this rough pointer suggests that vaping is far safer than smoking, IMO.
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I don't know what to make of this....I added a bit of alcohol (vodka) to the juice I have been using with my very last and only mini-pipe atomizer and for a few days now it has been producing a good amount of vapour and that means it has produced good vapour for about six days in total......that is some kind of record for me and the mini pipe atomizer.
Pete - do you mean it runs better with the added ethanol ?
Perhaps because it recuces both the viscosity and overall boiling point of the mix, it might be expected to reduce the deposit formation a bit as I have theorised before. If it is so nototiceable then perhaps the difference is more than a bit Early days though, but certainly interesting.
Perhaps because it recuces both the viscosity and overall boiling point of the mix, it might be expected to reduce the deposit formation a bit as I have theorised before. If it is so nototiceable then perhaps the difference is more than a bit
Early days though, but certainly interesting.- Status
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