Cold maceration of tobacco

[Ian444]

Straight Perique? I can get a 10gm sample of McClelland - Blending Perique, I have it on my "interesting list" but what was wondering if it would be over the top?

This is what I am thinking of getting for my next order:
SG Full Virginia Flake - must reorder (SG = Samuel Gawith)
SG Balkan Flake
SG Best Brown Flake
Capstan Medium Cut (Virginia)
SG Commonwealth (50/50 Latakia/Virginia)
SG St James Flake (like full Va flake plus Perique)

And maybe:
McClelland - Blending Perique
McClelland - Blending Latakia

These are readily available in my country in 10gm samples. Are there any that you do or don't recommend Johni?

 

[johni]

Ian, that's a great list! I like Perique straight up or in blends. It is intense for some but you can always blend if not your thing. Straight Latakia, while vapeable in small amounts, for me is far better in blends. Glad you got sourcing some good blends sorted out.

 

[PaulBHC]

Didnt I read somewhere that Am. Spirit had extra added bad stuff?

Supposed to be the opposite. They advertise "no additives" to suggest that they don't have the crap that BT has in theirs. My extraction was even an organic version.

johni the fear for me is that I really want to light one up first. And yes I probably have enough stuff already.

 

[johni]

Supposed to be the opposite. They advertise "no additives" to suggest that they don't have the crap that BT has in theirs. My extraction was even an organic version.

johni the fear for me is that I really want to light one up first. And yes I probably have enough stuff already.

Don't buy the sticks then, get it in bulk. Much less temptation there and you've got stuff to keep you happy while you find a good deal on it locally or online.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Supposed to be the opposite. They advertise "no additives" to suggest that they don't have the crap that BT has in theirs. My extraction was even an organic version.

I'm trying to find it.. something about adding a nicotine enhancer.. Swear I read it on ecf.

 

[Ian444]

I like Perique straight up or in blends. It is intense for some but you can always blend if not your thing.

OK I'll add the Perique to the next order, sounds good, thanks!

I'm finding Search Tobaccos - Brand=Samuel Gawith AND Show=Blend Type very useful to check tobacco for strength and taste, and a lot of stars...seems to be working well, so far so good

 

[Ian444]

johni the fear for me is that I really want to light one up first.

I did that, I tried some RYO, just as a "taste test" and it was so full-on, after about 6 puffs my senses and mouth had been severely invaded, its just over the top way too strong, after just 6 months vaping and off the stinkies. I now know I'll never smoke again, its all over As another person said "the BT meat hooks have been released".

ETA - YMMV.

 

[johni]

OK I'll add the Perique to the next order, sounds good, thanks!

I'm finding Search Tobaccos - Brand=Samuel Gawith AND Show=Blend Type very useful to check tobacco for strength and taste, and a lot of stars...seems to be working well, so far so good

I use that site often. Funny thing is, I have tried some highly rated blends that were meh and found some 2 star hits! Some blends translate to vape better than others and tastes differ (yahda, yahda). I love reading blend reviews by some of the older, hard core pipe smokers.

 

[Str8vision]

Full bodied pipe blends translate well into a vape in my experience. Strong English blends, Dark Fired Kentucky blends, Black Cavendish, and straight Perique for example, all work great.

I will try Hearth and Home's Signature Virginia Spice, sounds like what I am looking for especially with the cigar leaf note. If I remember right seems like Dunhill's "Nite Cap" was a bold mid weight English blend that tasted great but was just too strong for me when smoked in a pipe, may just have great vaping potential at least as a blended nuance. I will likely get several blends to play with.

 

[PaulBHC]

I'm trying to find it.. something about adding a nicotine enhancer.. Swear I read it on ecf.

IT must be true, I saw it on the internet, lol. I hate it when I remember seeing a post or thread and then can't find it. I hope you do as I would like to read it.

 

[johni]

I will try Hearth and Home's Signature Virginia Spice, sounds like what I am looking for especially with the cigar leaf note. If I remember right seems like Dunhill's "Nite Cap" was a bold mid weight English blend that tasted great but was just too strong for me when smoked in a pipe, may just have great vaping potential at least as a blended nuance. I will likely get several blends to play with.

With home extraction, failures don't cost much, and if well done, an extraction not to your taste is definitely trade material. Our hobby certainly seems to be drawing new people daily and many are doing some great work. I've been lucky enough to sample stuff from three guys that ended up going pro and quite a few hobbyists and almost all has been very good to excellent.

 

[PaulBHC]

str8 I was able to get 3 1oz bags from Pipes and Cigars for 12.40 with the shipping of $4.

 

[Str8vision]

With home extraction, failures don't cost much.

True. The cost is minimal AND the reward can be huge. The reason I started extracting tobacco is that doing so provides tremendous flexibility in honing the characteristics of the NET to suit my personal taste. I've had several failures along the way (Lane's BCA, RLP, TK-6 and LL-7), but obtained one solid NET (Lane 1Q w/10% added Burley), that for my taste was a keeper. Tobacco is my preferred base flavor in a juice and considering that nothing short of a true NET has satisfied me I will likely be tinkering with various blends, combinations and extraction methods for some time to come. Before I retired a sign prominently hung on my office wall proclaimed: "The road to perfection is always under construction" ... so true.

 

[Str8vision]

str8 I was able to get 3 1oz bags from Pipes and Cigars for 12.40 with the shipping of $4.

I still have an account with them, used to buy all my pipe tobacco there back before I started vaping. Seems comical that I will be a returning customer even though I don't smoke and haven't in years. They provided great service and prices back then and by the looks of it they have an even larger selection now. Wow, their cigar selection is HUGE. Shame I don't know beans about cigars!

 

[Bunnykiller]

hey people...
I would like to get some input from yall on who makes a quality NET extract ( not mixed juice)...
I would like to get some sample size bottles to see if what I have been creating is anywhere near what is considered good to wonderful.
I have shared some of my creations with other vapers and have been told its good/tasty ( havent had anyone stop in the middle of a draw and savor it yet).
I like what Ive made, but it seems to be lacking something and I dont know what it is just yet...

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

I happen to have a tad over 2.5 oz of KY-21 leaf that I grew myself and dried last year, nothing fancy in terms of cure methods just air dried. This is the harvest from a single plant, good or bad it cost me not much more than the time it took for the plant to grow.

130 ml PG to 1 oz of trimmed leaf for a month and use at 10% to 25% depending on desired strength seems easy enough.

I don't wish to support the tobacco industry anymore so going the whole pre-cured tobacco route is not a serious option I will look at for this project.

For those interested, a single tobacco plant if allowed to flower is able to produce thousands of seeds for your next adventure in tobacco growing. You do not need multiple plants as one is able to fertilize itself even without the help of insects if there is a bit of wind.

It would seem for me that 8 plants would produce enough liquid to support an entire year of e-liquid. That is of course if it turns out worth a darn.

Has anyone tried to use this process with home grown tobacco? If not, we shall see what comes of it in a month or so.

Maurice

 

[PaulBHC]

One leaf might produce more liquid than you think. I applaud your effort. I don't know enough about tobacco to comment. I just smoked the stuff for over 40 years without a thought.

I have read a little about fermented leaves being cured with heat and or smoke. I always wonder what early civilization thought that this was a good idea or was it an accident.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Once dried a single leaf does not have a lot of weight to it at all. All the leaves from a single KY 21 plant made 2.64 oz of dry tobacco.

I'm not sure what the weight will be with the center stem of each leaf removed will be but I'm sure that enough will remain to make at least one go at this.

If I have enough for a second go around I may drop enough vanilla bean in the mixture to make up for any lost tobacco due to trimming. I will of course take weights to have a good record of what is used.

I'm sure it would be fairly easy to do a wood cured batch next year just not sure what wood I would use to get a nice flavor in an eliquid.

I have more confidence in the vanilla bean co-steep idea than much else. It is way early to critique end results though, time will tell.

I'm not anti-smoking, I just don't want to add to their coffers any more than I already have.

Maurice

 

[PaulBHC]

One ounce of RYO tobacco makes about 90ml of extract. Mixed at 10% that would be 900ml of e-liquid or almost a year worth at 3ml a day.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

A little update here is in order, for me at least, the 1 oz of dry KY 21 in 130 ml of PG makes more of a 'not quite wet enough oatmeal' or 'wet rough cut saw dust' type mess.

As for volume of the tobacco cut fairly fine, 1 oz took up exactly 50 ml. Stock trimmings were a substantial portion of the total weight when I took my first weight, the 1 oz I used is just clean unblemished KY 21 leaf.

I went ahead and upped the PG from the 130 ml to 200 ml.

The result of the increased PG content takes up all but a very small space in my half-pint 250 ml mason jar.

Dark storage is an obvious must, I have a room that stays dark most of the time and happens to be pretty warm and is stable year round, I think that is where I will steep this brew.

We will see what comes of it in a month.

Maurice


The completed mixture


130 ml PG and 1 oz KY 21


Fully dry KY 21 leaf bunch