I would try a 20% mixture and let it steep for a week. My American Spirit tasted pretty good fresh at 25% and after a week it was sickening. I cut the mix and that helped. Next batch I made at 15% and it didn't have enough flavor. Changing the pg/vg ratio will change the taste as well.
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My extraction is of pure home grown dried KY21 tobacco from this plant:
The well below 20% I mixed it at tastes like I grabbed a clump of grass a started chewing, it isn't "oh my God I'm going to vomit" bad, its just not good.
It may well steep into something better, and to be quite honest this isn't going to be a hard one to leave alone for a long long time.
Maurice
Can anyone point me to threads or info for the warm water bath extraction method, sorry but this seemed the most appropriate thread.
I used this method for 48 hrs at 110F, I used a syring to filter thu rayon first then 5 micron felt. I just did a test sample but it filtered surprisingly easy, I was expecting a lot of trouble filtering. This is Newmister Superior, the extract is dar with no particulates. I'm about to vape it when everything cools down.
I used this method for 48 hrs at 110F, I used a syring to filter thu rayon first then 5 micron felt. I just did a test sample but it filtered surprisingly easy, I was expecting a lot of trouble filtering. This is Newmister Superior, the extract is dar with no particulates. I'm about to vape it when everything cools down.
You can steep it forever and it will still taste grungy. The tobaccos used for our home brews are processed. They're cased, fermented and sweetened under pressure while being heated. If you had a press or an oak barrel you could give it a try but it seems a bit much just to get an extract.
It might not if the FDA gets their way. We may be discussing curing tobacco on this forum in depth in a year or so.
I have been vaping this Newminster 403 Superior Round from pipes& cigars for the last too hours. Just 48 hours 110%, no steep,50/50pg-vg, and 24mg/ml nic. It is amazing. Googling this tobacco shows it has a Cavendish center surrounded by Virginia and perique. I like this more than most commercial nets. This was just a small test batch. Filtered with a syring thru rayon first than 5 micron felt. Came out dard but no particulates. I am absolutely amazed for my first NET. Cavendish is my favorite and I'd say Virginia is my least favorite net, but this somehow pulls it off. For steeping should I do that filtered or with the tobacco in?
??? Not sure what you mean but, when your extracting flavor from a Medium like Tobacco, Tea or Coffee, that's steeping. Once you've filtered the Carrier from the Medium and stored the bottled extract in your cupboard, it will continue to steep or mature.
It was just dried not cured, I knew this going in to the process.
I may try again another year or so down the road and do some curing trials, but that'll take a lot more plants than I've got going now.
After doing a bit of research on the topic I think I can manage to get something reasonable, if not its nothing really lost & nothing gained.
Maurice
Just pulled my NET from 5-27.
Currently just filtered with cotton balls, tomorrow I will snag some syringe filters from work and filter it again.
It tasted much better then the last two, the first one I didnt let sit long enough, and the last was heat assisted.
I just dripped 3 drops into my kayfun, I think it will mix excellent, will start at 20% and go from there. I ended up with just over 4ml (ounces, what the heck is wrong with my fingers) of extract....
Currently just filtered with cotton balls, tomorrow I will snag some syringe filters from work and filter it again.
It tasted much better then the last two, the first one I didnt let sit long enough, and the last was heat assisted.
I just dripped 3 drops into my kayfun, I think it will mix excellent, will start at 20% and go from there. I ended up with just over 4ml (ounces, what the heck is wrong with my fingers) of extract....
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If you have leftover plants from this year, store them for 1 year min., and it will be much better then.
Not to hard really, mainly make sure the plants don't mold from being too wet.
Too dry really won't hurt cause you're not gonna smoke it, hopefully
What flavor or tobacco NET?
Just pulled my NET from 5-27.
Currently just filtered with cotton balls, tomorrow I will snag some syringe filters from work and filter it again.
It tasted much better then the last two, the first one I didnt let sit long enough, and the last was heat assisted.
I just dripped 3 drops into my kayfun, I think it will mix excellent, will start at 20% and go from there. I ended up with just over 4ml of extract....
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I filtered my first home made yesterday. I remembered reading about the altered plunger and here it is. Very useful. I just used it to filter out the raw output and poured the juice straight into a coffee filter. But I sure managed to squeeze the hell out of the tobacco.
I'm curious about the felt. what kind,.. do you place it between the bottom plate and the filter mesh?
Now even a good french press isn't made to handle pressure on the sides (the exterior of the disk, unlike a syringe), don't you think most of the particulates manage to find their way on the sides where there is minimal pressure?
Polyester felt filter with a pore size of 5 microns. From McMaster-Carr online. I've posted a link about ten times in the various home extraction threads, no doubt it's in this one somewhere over the past two months.
Yes, the felt filter goes between the wire mesh filter and the metal plate. When the plunger is reassembled, everything is screwed tight and held in place securely.
I cut the 1/8" thick poly felt slightly larger than the diameter of the wire mesh filter on the plunger of the French Press. That way, when installed behind the wire mesh in the plunger, the poly felt forms itself against the inner wall of the glass carafe. The pressure against the sides of the carafe is snug, but not nearly enough to crack or shatter the borosilicate glass. I'm very careful and slow in plunging, however. The filtering process is visible initially, so I can tell you with certainty that very little if any liquid from the maceration suspension/slurry comes through at the outer edge of the poly felt. It comes right up through the middle of the filter pad disk. That's even more obvious when I rinse out the filters afterwards.
When I first thought of using the French Press with an extra, much finer filter, I figured it would probably be a bust and either work badly or not at all. But I was wrong, happily. It does the job beautifully. If this method didn't work, I wouldn't have left numerous posts about it. I'd have posted "back to the old drawing board" once and simply moved on.
I don't know for sure if the French Press plunger method would work as well with a filter finer than 5 microns. Maybe, maybe not. Grade 6 Whatkins filter paper is 2.5-3.0 microns, but in the 9cm diameter, it's pricey, so I'm not going to find out. Anyway, I'm happy with the results at 5 microns, and the 3' by 6' sheet (minimum order size) of poly felt I bought for $20 shipped will be enough to last me forever.
All NETs will gunk up coils and wicks eventually, but the extracts I've filtered this way---15 so far---are notably clean in performance while still providing flavor that's ample and rich.
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Just pulled my NET from 5-27.
Currently just filtered with cotton balls, tomorrow I will snag some syringe filters from work and filter it again.
It tasted much better then the last two, the first one I didnt let sit long enough, and the last was heat assisted.
I just dripped 3 drops into my kayfun, I think it will mix excellent, will start at 20% and go from there. I ended up with just over 4ml of extract....
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4 ml? seems like a small amount for the time and effort... how much tobacco and "fluid" did you start with?
I usually do my batches at 1/2 oz, 1 oz or 2 oz tobacco weight and enuf Everclear to cover ( normally ends up being 3 oz,5oz,8oz respectively) and end up with 1/2 oz, 3/4oz, and 1-2 oz of condensed extract. I then mix the condensed extract to VG in a 30/70 to 50/50 mixture ( CE/VG) (CE= condensed extract) leaving it a bit on the strong side since I add the nic base at a later time.
nevermind.... I didnt see the 4 oz on the glass.... thats more like it
thats worth the time
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made up a visual sample of my VG and PGA extracts
on the left is the VG soaked tobacco extracts
on the right is the PGA soaked tobacco
going from top to bottom is
left side / right side
Cherry Pipe VG / Cherry Pipe PGA
Cuban Reject Cigar VG / CRC PGA
Chocolate Pipe VG / Chocolate Pipe PGA
the color difference between the 2 different methods is amazing.
Even tho the color is quite a bit different the flavor is either the same or more intense in the PGA method
on the left is the VG soaked tobacco extracts
on the right is the PGA soaked tobacco
going from top to bottom is
left side / right side
Cherry Pipe VG / Cherry Pipe PGA
Cuban Reject Cigar VG / CRC PGA
Chocolate Pipe VG / Chocolate Pipe PGA
the color difference between the 2 different methods is amazing.
Even tho the color is quite a bit different the flavor is either the same or more intense in the PGA method
get it, it sounds good bill, thanks a lot for the answer.
I'm ordering for some 5 micron felt....
I'm ordering for some 5 micron felt....
4 ml? seems like a small amount for the time and effort... how much tobacco and "fluid" did you start with?
I usually do my batches at 1/2 oz, 1 oz or 2 oz tobacco weight and enuf Everclear to cover ( normally ends up being 3 oz,5oz,8oz respectively) and end up with 1/2 oz, 3/4oz, and 1-2 oz of condensed extract. I then mix the condensed extract to VG in a 30/70 to 50/50 mixture ( CE/VG) (CE= condensed extract) leaving it a bit on the strong side since I add the nic base at a later time.
nevermind.... I didnt see the 4 oz on the glass.... thats more like it
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no idea why I said 4ml.......
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