County wants to ban public e-cigarette smoking

[Bill Godshall]

It would also help to identify which six BOH members voted against the amendment to eliminate the indoor usage restriction from the regulation, and publicly criticize those six people.

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

Probably a better way to get the BOH to rescind the regulation is to:
- Expose the many false statements in the BOH regulation,
- Publicly criticize, ridicule and mock the BOH,
- Flaunt the new regulation, and
- Find out which politician (e.g. county executive) appointed the BOH members in Seattle/King County, and urge them to replace the 6 who voted against the amendment to eliminate that clause from the regualtion (and also urge them to rescind it).

Well that just sounds like fun!

 

[Petrodus]

Instead of posting comments on the news article at King County bans public e-cigarette smoking (there's already 90 comments posted), I suggest folks go to Letters to the Editor | seattlepi.com and send a letter to the editor of the newspaper (but no more than 600 words)

King County bans public e-cigarette smoking

Thought you might be interested in reading what “We the People” say about
the King County's Board of Health as well as King County in general.

Suggested reading: Comments (over 90 so far)

King County bans public e-cigarette smoking

Thanking my lucky stars...I don't live in King County.

OK...I'm not politically correct.
I'm not the source of the information...Just the messenger!

 

[mauzey]

For what its worth I found this blurb on the Facts and Fears page of the American coucil on Health and Science web site today. I am not sure who posts these to the site. It is an interesting comment on the situation anyhow.

King County proposes E-Cig ban > Facts & Fears > ACSH

Thanks,
Jeff~

 

[Petrodus]

Caffeine is not the subject
However it is often used in rebuttals

When I saw this article...King County came to mind. Something else
they could ban in order to (tongue in cheek) "protect the children"
Naturally, parents have no responsibilities...
That's why we have a "Nanny" state.

Caffeine Drinkers Start Young
Article: Click Here

There's enough material here to keep a comedian supplied
with jokes for a year!

 

[Demarko]

It would also help to identify which six BOH members voted against the amendment to eliminate the indoor usage restriction from the regulation, and publicly criticize those six people.

As I understand, it wasn't 6 people, but people who - for whatever reason - have multiple votes. The actual vote was tied.

 

[rothenbj]

As I understand, it wasn't 6 people, but people who - for whatever reason - have multiple votes. The actual vote was tied.

That is correct. For whatever reason, the three I mentioned in my previous post from Metropolitan King County have two votes for every one. If all 10 BOH directors are voting, these three can control every vote that isn't unanimous among the other seven. I wish someone from King county could explain this logic.

 

[Petrodus]

Won't post any more copies of Comments
This one is worth sharing

Posted by drdensity at 12/17/2010 4:37 p.m.

Yet another disgusting nanny-state overreach by the bureautards.

I'm a non-smoker who employs smokers. Their cigarette breaks cost me money and irritate the non-smokers, who take fewer breaks and get more work done.

I reimburse 100% of ALL smoking-cessasion aids - hypnosis, Chantix, patches, gum, etc. One of my employees who works closely with me showed up with an e-cig that his brother let him borrow (after he stopped smoking with it) a few weeks ago.

Suddenly, my assistant is never on smoke break and is always at his desk. He can puff his e-cig at his desk. The smell is not noticeable - far less than the cigarette odor he used to carry back from his smoke breaks. He is more productive, and not spending $6/day for his habit.

E-cigs are great, I'm offering them to my other smoking employees.

These health nazi bureaucrats are IMBECILES!!

 

[rothenbj]

Caffeine is not the subject
However it is often used in rebuttals

When I saw this article...King County came to mind. Something else
they could ban in order to (tongue in cheek) "protect the children"
Naturally, parents have no responsibilities...
That's why we have a "Nanny" state.

Caffeine Drinkers Start Young
Article: Click Here

There's enough material here to keep a comedian supplied
with jokes for a year!

There are more caffeine addicts in this country than any other drug use. King county should immediately ban it's use in all indoor venues and make the minimum age 18, hear me Starbucks! They seem to have caffeine pushers on every street corner. One sip of these caffeine laden drinks may lead to health consequences similar to nicotine. I've seen rows and rows of shelves filled with this health hazard with advertising in all media with no regard to the detriment of our youth. Usually the kids get hooked at a very young age and they move to dual use as they get older. They're just addicts looking for their fix wherever they can get it. Nanny state, where are you when we need you. It's going to take years of fighting the caffeine industries lies by some of our fine "health" organizations to de-normalize caffeine use. I'm done, time for a rum and coke.

 

[Petrodus]

King County welcomes illegal aliens
Legal E-cigarettes are Banned

King County's “Illegal alien Sanctuary Law” prohibits public agencies
and employees from asking a person’s immigration status.

The sheriff’s department has a don’t-ask-don’t-tell immigration policy.

I'm soooo confused... King County passes a law making illegal legal
then bans the legal E-cigarette???

Article: Click Here

 

[Vocalek]

There are more caffeine addicts in this country than any other drug use. King county should immediately ban it's use in all indoor venues and make the minimum age 18, hear me Starbucks! They seem to have caffeine pushers on every street corner. One sip of these caffeine laden drinks may lead to health consequences similar to nicotine. I've seen rows and rows of shelves filled with this health hazard with advertising in all media with no regard to the detriment of our youth. Usually the kids get hooked at a very young age and they move to dual use as they get older. They're just addicts looking for their fix wherever they can get it. Nanny state, where are you when we need you. It's going to take years of fighting the caffeine industries lies by some of our fine "health" organizations to de-normalize caffeine use. I'm done, time for a rum and coke.

And if, as the Surgeon General says, one puff of second-hand smoke can trigger a heart attack, surely one sip of Starbucks can do so, too. Both chemicals have similar effects on heart rate and blood pressure (i.e., raise them slightly for a short period of time.)

 

[Petrodus]

Incredible!

Comments are still being posted...Now there's 8 pages
of comments. The public is "fired-up" against the ruling and
and it appears it was the "straw that broke the camel's back"
regarding their Nanny government.

Comments: Click Here

 

[Petrodus]

Did somebody mention they live close to King County and their county
has a similar ban proposal in the works?

I was wondering which county that was and if they decided to put it
on the back-burner after witnessing the public's negative reaction to
King County's ban...including a call to vote all the incumbents out of office.

 

[mauzey]

Did somebody mention they live close to King County and their county
has a similar ban proposal in the works?

I was wondering which county that was and if they decided to put it
on the back-burner after witnessing the public's negative reaction to
King County's ban...including a call to vote all the incumbents out of office.

Pierce County is the next county to the south of King, It is said that they want to address this issue as well, They may want to reconsider now.

Here is a link to an article that mentions this at the last paragraph:
http://www.king5.com/health/King-County-considers-ban-on-electronic-cigarettes-111895834.html

 

[Petrodus]

Someone might want to email officials in Pierce County and suggest they
surf over to the SeattlePI article and read "The Comments".

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

HA! If they bothered to read up on issues in the first place their jobs would be too easy.

 

[Thulium]

Thad you're too hard on your self. If you wanted to hear stumbling, listen to David Fleming again. He didn't seem well versed on all the ?non-profit?"health" association propaganda.

Thanks for that. I'm really not discouraged. This was my first time doing anything like this, and we very nearly succeeded. I gave the Board each a copy of the amazing Siegel article on the very day it was published in the Journal of Public Health Policy. I mean, how cool is that?!?

The reason you were confused on the vote was that the BOH is made up of 10 members meaning that two weren't at the meeting. I was wondering about that since this was a "special" meeting held on the regular monthly meeting date, third Thursday of the month, but not held at the normal 2:30PM time slot. Do you know if Joe McDermott was there? He, along with the chair, Julia Patterson and vice chair, Kathy Lambert, get 2 votes compared to everyone else. Why? who knows. I know those two were the most "social engineering" vocal during the discussion. So the vote on the amendment was 4-4 with the deciding votes coming from the two that got additional leverage on what's going on. It seems strange to me if Joe had been there and he voted with the other two in a block with only eight members of the board there. The three would have outvoted the other five, 6-5 on any issue. What a way to run an legislative body.

That actually explains some of Nicola's comments implying a conspiracy larger than just the one issue.

I think what I am questioning most was that I didn't get/take a chance to vape during the meeting--well, that and not learning that I could have asked for more time to speak until AFTER they had voted down the amendment and it was too late. Really, I didn't even think more time was NEEDED because it looked like it was going our way when everyone was jumping to propose amendments to remove the ban. I was CERTAIN that we'd won...then suddenly the chairperson announces she doesn't support the amendment because she thinks they should "maintain the social norm" and *POOF* only four hands sheepishly go up and it's all over.

If nothing else, I'm glad I was there to witness this travesty with my own eyes. I might not have believed it otherwise.

One other thing, they mentioned that there was a PM E Cig there, was that true? If so, did you get a look at it?

No, sorry. I only saw from a distance a Smoke51 (or similar) kit, a green blister pack, and what I thought was an XhaleO2 from 7-11.

...As I think back, perhaps what I regret most is that I didn't stand up and say, "Do you UNDERSTAND that you are taking away a reason for people to stop smoking for the sole purpose of maintaining a negative social perception of smokers and doing it in the name of public health??? A few seconds ago, I thought you were rational people!"

Ah well, live and learn.

Speaking of getting railroaded...While I was at the King County Courthouse, my parents were down the street at Pike's Market not wkhen an unconscious driver collided with a parked truck knocking it into another vehicle leaving a pedestrian pinned between the first vehicles....

 

[Grammie]

All I can say is "Thank You", this is one area that I can not handle very well. Thanks for stepping up to the plate for all of us vapers!

 

[cracker75]

Hi all,

In my anger, I wrote something up this morning and submitted it to the Seattle PI. I doubt they will print it, but I am hoping that if they decline to publish it, they will alert me, and I will send it to other publications.

I have attached the text file, if anybody has any suggestions/alterations. I'm not the best at this kind of stuff, but I am upset.

I will also be writing an email to send to the board later today.....one thing at a time.

 

[Thulium]

All I can say is "Thank You", this is one area that I can not handle very well. Thanks for stepping up to the plate for all of us vapers!

I appreciate it, but I doubt you are right. It is exactly concerned citizens like you and me that CAN make the difference. It was kind of intimidating going to another state to stand up for the rights of others, but what makes the biggest difference is when the anti's see people from right there in their neighborhood telling their story about how e-cigs have made their life better (or at least less miserable!). I didn't know it, but King County was mostly decided on the issue before I got there...but if enough citizens would have stood up and said, "Hey! These things can help people not smoke cigarettes and there is no conceivable risk to bystanders. You should be giving these things away, not banning their use!" perhaps reason and public health would have won over greed and intolerance.