Crazy amount of new gear being released

[Mazinny]

I would hate to be a newer vaper that hadn't found a sweet spot yet. The flood of new stuff, all Version 1 at best, could lead to a lot of regrettable buys.

That's always been the case though. As a newer vaper i made a lot of regrettable purchases, ditto as a more experienced vaper ! Still, better to be a newer vaper now than 3 or 4 years ago when i started imo. A lot more options and a lot more information for those seeking it.

Really curious though how FDA will deal with all these new stuff that show up as " pre-order ", if they are not " in stock " and ready to ship by 8/8.

 

[Racehorse]

Still, better to be a newer vaper now than 3 or 4 years ago when i started imo.

Gawd yes.
But we were happy with what we had, I mean, we didn't have better stuff, so we just "made it work" whatever it was that we had to vape on.

i think this is where the "you really have to WANT to quit smoking" came in. :lol"

Like 440BB, you don't wanna guess how many times I've been a guinea pig for tons of hardware devices

I quit smoking using a non VV ego battery with some gawd-awful plastic clearo that leaked more than it vaped, and a vMod bottom feeder with cartos.

 

[ScandaLeX]

If nothing else, Kanger is keeping it rather interesting! I like the one that looks like a perfume atomizer.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Don't fall for the price of the Arymi Gille tank... It's actually a great tank but there's a BIG BUT lay it on its side and it leaks like crazy... Just happened again when testing another sample I got in.... Too bad flavor is great, that coil system is awesome as well...

Kanger...
Youde/UD..
Innokin..
Vapeonly...

Seems like everyone is rushing everything they got on the backburner out to the market..

 

[Ramsay Bolton]

Major vape gear flood happening!.

Geekvape is coming out with an extensive line-up of mods as
is vapeonly.

Joyetech, Wismec, etc etc etc are releasing new products just about every single
day.

I'm getting burned out trying to keep up with all the new mods and
tanks coming out.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Heh, Joyetech just released a mod I suggested to them back in February

My suggestion

Feb 1st...

their release

 

[Racehorse]

I'm getting burned out trying to keep up with all the new mods and
tanks coming out.

I'm too cynical to fall into it all. Seems like they are reaching into vaper's pockets because they sense their panic.

I SAVED most of the money I didn't spend by quitting smoking. I intend to keep on doing that. There are many things I want in life and a wall filled with vape gear isn't at the top of my list.......mostly because, well, at least 3/4 of it seems nifty but it's still chinese junk.

That's just me though.

 

[Haktuspit]

You can't blame these guys for trying to get as much possible on the American market pre 8/8. Honestly there can be a lot of positives taken away from that, first and foremost being that they still think it's important to get as many devices on the market right now which must mean they feel pretty good about post 8/8 at least for a while.

 

[sofarsogood]

I read somewhere that the US might be 43% of the global vape market in dollars (we are only 4% of the smokers in the world). So it's predictable that there would be more new products to beat the 8-8 deadline. But may be the vape market world wide will grow by more than the US share in the next few years. New products won't stop just because Americans aren't supposed to buy them.

 

[Racehorse]

Well you know me, I happen to see a vaping as enjoying a long term existence throughout the world. I always did. I read what investors think, not what vapers think, which may be the reason i have a cheerier outlook on all this. Fear doesn't really speak to me so I don't pay it a lot of mind. I've been thru much worse things, to be honest.

 

[Tempesta]

It's true that the flood of stuff on the market has led me to stash away a few things I wouldn't have tried before.

 

[Eskie]

I do know with the floodgates open to assure a footprint in the US before 8/8, I'm waiting on reviews and some early adopters reporting in before jumping at anything. I'm already pretty well stocked, and I am concerned about design decisions pushed through just to meet an arbitrary deadline. While manufacturers will still build new stuff past 8/8, it's hard to imagine much money going into R&D if they try to file with the FDA on products at a time they also take a hit on total revenues with the market in the US being locked down. The next year will be interesting.

 

[herb]

After August 8th 2016, No New "Tobacco Products" will be allowed to be Legally Sold in the USA without a FDA Market Order.

"Tobacco Products" that were sold in a US Market from Feb 5th 2007 to Aug 7th 2016 will have a 1 ~ 2 Year Grace Period where they can still be sold while submitting a PMTA to the FDA.

If you Submit a PMTA to the FDA and it is Denied, the Product must be Removed from the Market Immediately.

If the FDA does Not Feel a Company is Serious about submitting a PMTA within the 1 ~ 2 Year Grace period, the FDA can issue a Stop Order on the Product. And the Product must be Removed from the Market until a FDA Approved PMTA is issued.

Thank you very very much , why this rush to stock up before the 8th then is the obvious question then . Seems everybody still has plenty of time to get what the need.

 

[V43L1N]

Thank you very very much , why this rush to stock up before the 8th then is the obvious question then . Seems everybody still has plenty of time to get what the need.

Personal preference, state taxes, import bans. Now that the FDA has declared these items tobacco products, it makes it that much easier for states to simply determine an equivalent tax for these new "tobacco products".

See Utah, online purchases of vapor products have been banned since July 1st. All purchases must be made face to face. This ensures the state collects not only sales tax, but also any future tax levied on vapor products.

 

[PaulBHC]

I started vaping 2009-10 and gave up, then cold turkey 6 months, then back to 2 PAD until the end of 2013 when an ego and clearo got me back on it. Glad we have better stuff now.

 

[zoiDman]

Thank you very very much , why this rush to stock up before the 8th then is the obvious question then . Seems everybody still has plenty of time to get what the need.

Can't speak for Others.

But for Myself, I stocked up because I fear my State more than I Fear the FDA right now.

With the FDA, I pretty much understand where we are Heading. But here is a Question to You. Say your State has a Nov 8th 2016 Ballot Initiative that would put an Additional $2 Tax on a pack of Cigarettes?

Not exactly Fair for Smokers. But it doesn't effect Vapers. Right?

But here's the Rub. That $2.00 Additional Tax is going to be Equivalently placed on All Tobacco Products sold in CA. And guess what? e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids were Defined to be "Tobacco Products" earlier this year. In a Law that Many said wouldn't matter.

So... How Exactly are they going to Equate this Tax, if it Passes, to e-Cigarettes and e-Liquids?

Not sure if you were around in the Beginning when OEM's touted that a .7ml Pre-Filled Cart was Equiviant to a Pack of Cigarettes? But they Did. And we All Laughed about it.

But Many are NOT Laughing now.

Because if some Government Pin Head decides that .7ml is Equivalent to a Pack of Smoking, and sets the Assessment as $2.00/.7ml of e-Liquid, that would make PA's Floor Tax look like Chump Change.

So Yeah.... It isn't just the FDA that some people are Thinking about when it comes to Stocking Up.

 

[Haktuspit]

If anyone finds out something concrete about the California tax zoiDman references please post about it at the link below. Not Blowing Smoke has claimed it's around a 62-69% tax. What that means is still unknown too.

California Prop 56 - Hidden Vape Tax

 

[sofarsogood]

I do know with the floodgates open to assure a footprint in the US before 8/8, I'm waiting on reviews and some early adopters reporting in before jumping at anything. I'm already pretty well stocked, and I am concerned about design decisions pushed through just to meet an arbitrary deadline. While manufacturers will still build new stuff past 8/8, it's hard to imagine much money going into R&D if they try to file with the FDA on products at a time they also take a hit on total revenues with the market in the US being locked down. The next year will be interesting.

America probably is the single biggest Market in dollars but has only 4% of the smokers. America is not the center of the universe and not the center of the vaping Universe either. There will be research and development and new products and we won't get them. I describe us as the Cuba of vaping.

 

[440BB]

I describe us as the Cuba of vaping

Where one day in the future the typical vaper will be sporting a Vamo running off of stacked watch batteries with a DNA board inside and an RCA jack as the connector.

 

[herb]

Can't speak for Others.

But for Myself, I stocked up because I fear my State more than I Fear the FDA right now.

With the FDA, I pretty much understand where we are Heading. But here is a Question to You. Say your State has a Nov 8th 2016 Ballot Initiative that would put an Additional $2 Tax on a pack of Cigarettes?

Not exactly Fair for Smokers. But it doesn't effect Vapers. Right?

But here's the Rub. That $2.00 Additional Tax is going to be Equivalently placed on All Tobacco Products sold in CA. And guess what? e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids were Defined to be "Tobacco Products" earlier this year. In a Law that Many said wouldn't matter.

So... How Exactly are they going to Equate this Tax, if it Passes, to e-Cigarettes and e-Liquids?

Not sure if you were around in the Beginning when OEM's touted that a .7ml Pre-Filled Cart was Equiviant to a Pack of Cigarettes? But they Did. And we All Laughed about it.

But Many are NOT Laughing now.

Because if some Government Pin Head decides that .7ml is Equivalent to a Pack of Smoking, and sets the Assessment as $2.00/.7ml of e-Liquid, that would make PA's Floor Tax look like Chump Change.

So Yeah.... It isn't just the FDA that some people are Thinking about when it comes to Stocking Up.

Superb info once again , thanks so much .