Day #2.5. I keep on buying new kits and getting discouraged!

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When I started with a 510, I figured out quickly that you have to "prime" the atty, by taking a short quick draw right after you push the button, then a slow and steady full lung hit, rather than a cheek-draw like you would with a cigarette. You'll probably cough a few times if you do it right, since the water vapor we're inhaling is pretty thick and warm as it enters your lungs. Take things slowly, there is a learning curve to making any PV or e-cig work the right way, even the big custom mods. You may also notice you're not producing much vapor, likely because you've bought a lot of MOSTLY PG (Propylene Glycol) juices. If you find you're not producing any vapor, but still getting a good throat hit, add a few drops of a VG (Vegetable Glycerin) juice of a similar or same flavor, unflavored, mint which mixes well with damn near everything, or menthol which amplifies other flavors. The addition of the VG will produce an enormous amount of vapor for just a few drops per mL of PG juice, and you might feel like you're actually being productive when vaping, rather than being disappointed in your e-cig.

Like others have said, stop spending more until you get the hang of your current equipment. I used a Joye 510 religiously for a year before I got an eGo. The eGo's vapor production put the 510 to shame, but was still not always consistent. I lost the eGo one day, so a few days ago I decided I wasn't going to smoke analogs anymore, and build a box mod for about $8.00 in parts plus batteries, and bought a Silver Bullet tube mod, which is what I'm using now. Once you get into a mod rather than an e-cig type device, bricks will be shat at the amount of vapor you can produce and the flavor profiles you can get out of a juice just by adjusting the voltage a little. My box mod is 4.8v, and the Bullet is 3.7v, and all my juices taste different depending on which one I use.

Welcome to the site and GOOD LUCK finding your vaporizer and flavors of choice.
 

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I think that people should stop recommending the Ego-T to newbies. Clearly there's a huge learning curve with those things - and tanks in general - and it only serves to alienate many would-be vapers.


I agree. I rarely see them recommended here. I think they must be getting their recommendation for ego-t's from video reviews.
 

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You will be MUCH more limited on that smoke 51 product, limited to their overpriced cartos in 2 flavors. Send it back as soon as you get it if you can. I was checking their policy and it says opened products can't be returned, so that implies that unopened can. Hopefully they will take it back.

And keep trying juices. You will find something you love!

I agree send that thing back! Grab some cartos (and maybe a couple of attys for tasting new flavors or dripping), and ditch the tank part of your eGo T. Madvapes has a huge selection of 510 (eGo) stuff, if you are looking for a supplier. They ship quickly and there shipping is about as cheap as I've found. Also Sweet-vapes (and some others ) offers extra flavor and double flavor options for your order, I've ordered from them and have enjoyed what I've received.
 
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Get some more juices. At start there were some juices I didn't like. I put them in the fridge ... after a week of 2 I tried those again ... and I liked them. It just was my taste was different and I now am disgusted by the taste of a normal cigarette

I did almost 3 months with my 510-t kit, pcc, and some extra batteries who are now sitting there. I am using an ego-t XL with smokek mega cartos. And this is for me very good, but already looking further. I would just say, keep giving the 510 a go for a while and if you then decide, get something bigger

But an ego-t XL USB isn't that costly, with smoktek cartos, your even off pretty cheap
 

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I am less than a month myself to this new vaping life. My 2 cents would be stay away from these tank kits or cartomizer kits and just get a basic 510 or basic ego model. Try direct dripping. I definitely prefer dripping over any cartridge or tank system. Maybe try another eliquid supplier too. Every company seems to be just a little different out there! Dont give up so soon. U really havent given it enough of a chance my friend!
 

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Ok I'm on the liberty site.... which kit do I want? LOL

Sorry - I just saw your post. The one I'd recommend that comes with cartomizers is out of stock but these are both good:


Riva 510 Lite Bundle
Riva 510 Special Edition


Both of them come with carts instead of cartomizers, so you'll have to order the cartomizers separately. I'd recommend the Boge 510 Low Resistance.
 

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I started vaping on Friday night. I purchased the Joye 510-T Starter Kit and 5 different flavors of e-juice. I'm starting to get discouraged. All the juice tastes the same to me and not very appealing. So after talking to a few people, I went online this morning and bought another starter kit from Smoke51. This one is a "duo" kit with a carto and battery instead of the 3-part like the 510-T. Am I spending more money than necessary here? And can anyone tell me why I can't "taste" the juice? I want to just pick these up and put away the analog completely... it's not working!

The 510-T is not a good starter kit for a newbie ... I almost picked that one as well because from the way they describe the tanks vs traditional cartridges, its easy to think the tank is a better choice .... but its not, and while I have a Ego T now, this would have been a mistake as a first purchase.

Two piece cartomizer kit is a good way to go for a newbie, and if you chose a quality two pc Kit I think it will be money well spent .... now your juice, sounds like you simply did not buy good juice. The juice could just be light on flavor and as a soon to be ex-smoker your taste buds are a little dead... shop around for a reputable juice vendor that offers extra flavor upon ordering.
 

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I started vaping on Friday night. I purchased the Joye 510-T Starter Kit and 5 different flavors of e-juice. I'm starting to get discouraged. All the juice tastes the same to me and not very appealing. So after talking to a few people, I went online this morning and bought another starter kit from Smoke51. This one is a "duo" kit with a carto and battery instead of the 3-part like the 510-T. Am I spending more money than necessary here? And can anyone tell me why I can't "taste" the juice? I want to just pick these up and put away the analog completely... it's not working!

First off, stop buying those small battery ecigs. You need a boost up with either an eGo (not the eGo-T) or the KGO. The tank system, like what you already have, mute flavors horribly for me. Get yourself either of the 2 I mentioned and some dual coil cartomizers or Boge 2ohm cartomizers. Give yourself some time to heal from smoking...your taste buds will come back.
 

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I agree. I rarely see them recommended here. I think they must be getting their recommendation for ego-t's from video reviews.

Need to get a couple of good reviewers to do videos of why Ego-Ts might *not* be a good choice for a newb. I haven't used one myself, but I've seen so many complaints on here from people who just are not happy with them.

ETA: I hate to see so many newbs get frustrated with their 1st or 2nd purchase, which they think is going to be awesome and so easy to use.
 

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Has anyone considered that maybe the OP actually wants to have a small battery ecig and not a larger format model?

The fact that his tastebuds haven't recovered yet coupled with the horribly muted flavours from the 510-T can be helped with a little time and some cartomizers.

Do we really have to send him broke before even he knows what he wants?
 

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I think that people should stop recommending the Ego-T to newbies. Clearly there's a huge learning curve with those things - and tanks in general - and it only serves to alienate many would-be vapers.


I had the 510-t tank system, and I hated it...I'm sick of the random member piping up that they love theirs...I know that sounds awful, but I feel that this system is a random 50/50 shot. Either it works for you or it doesn't. And I'm happy for you if it worked for you, but if you read 3 posts of people who hated it, then you pipe up and say well you loved it, how is that helping the new guy?...We are still collectively as a community recommending something that isn't even close to 100%?

In summarizing:

1. The EGO-T system works great for some people
2. It works lousy for other people

3. How bout we not push something that only works half the time?


I'm sorry, I'm just a little bitter...I started with the 510-t, liked the concept of the clear tank, ignored all the reviews of ppl who hate theirs, and only "noticed" the people who loved them. I wish someone had just told me that this thing isn't great for beginners, instead of saying well it works great for some ppl, and other's not so much...I just feel like it's a hard lesson to learn for people who just made the hardest decision of their lives to quit smoking, and are rewarded with a headache...
 
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OP, you do not need a new system just yet!! The 510-T is a good place to start. The "tank" may not be. The "tank" is a 50/50 shot of working well, all dependant on the user and their understanding of how to use them. I know 3 people that are still using them months after starting. I didn't make it past the first week.

Learn your system first and foremost, and take your time. Your battery has a short life between charges. That's its biggest short-coming and a PCC will take care of that issue. It still vapes at 3.4v as do many others recommended to you. The 510 is the threading of your battery and the threading is what you match for your e-juice supply system. 510 threading offers a large variety of options. With your battery, you can use your "T" atty and the "tank", you can use your "T" atty and a T-cartridge, or you can use your battery with a cartomizer (atty and cart combined in one piece). You have options to explore with what you already have.

Your "taste" will have to adjust. You're not smoking anymore!! The taste is going to be different. In time, it will be preferred, but never the same. Think back to when you first started learning how to smoke . . . Did you go out and buy a carton after your first couple of puffs? Did changing lighters or even cigarette brands make learning to smoke easier, or did you just stick with what was available until you became "a smoker"?

Slow down and become a vaporer, first . . . then you can find your perfect set-up for what you learn "you" specifically want or need. And if you still pick up an analog while you're learning . . . so be it. Think about the one's you DON'T pick up and HAVE SOME FUN!

Congratulations on making the decision to switch!! Welcome to ECF!!!! And keep reading, learning, and trying!! You'll be just fine!!!!!!!!
 

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Like others have said.. it takes time for your taste buds to come back. For me personally it took about a week or so for my taste buds to be back in full effect. Give it time and don't get discouraged. You will know when your taste buds are back in action because even stuff you eat and drink normally will taste completely different (at least for me it did). Keep at it, and try to resist the urge to purchase more kits. Also, if you drink at all.. try to avoid that for a bit while trying to get use to the E-juice. I noticed when I was first trying to quit and had my ecig that drinking made me more inclined to try to find an analog to puff on.

Also, if you want a stronger taste.. go for juices that have more PG in them. They might not provide the clouds of vapor like VG only juices, but the taste will be much more defined. I hope it all works out for you, and dont give up!
 

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ECF is an endless resource for vaping information, but can be confusing at times. A lot of people posting with different opinions about the same battery or juice. Drink more water and wait for your taste buds are two things all noobs need to know, but too much gets lost in chatter sometimes.

When I started I read a LOT in the Ask The Veterans threads. Each thread is a single question, answered by an ECF vet that's been here for a year minimum, many much longer. Read them all, you'll find you agree with some, disagree with others that don't fit YOU. Even veteran vapers use and like different power 3.7v vs 5 or 6v, and will vape flavors that will make a billy-goat puke.:) But Ask the Vets threads, all are well thought out answers, good information, from vapers that went through what you are now fighting.
 

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I'm pretty new to this (5 weeks in) - I started with a small battery automatic - This was great - It helped me quit analogues. After about 2 weeks, after reading A LOT on this forum, I made the switch to a RIVA 510 1100Mah and Boge cartomisers - I am completely happy with this setup and find that - although at the moment I am spending a fair amount of $$ on bits and bobs - mainly due to curiosity - I can see that once I find the right combination of hardware and juice I'll be set.

There really is a lot out there and it's tempting to rush out and buy it all (I'm simply spending the money I would have done on analogues at the moment, so I'm not worried about this)

In terms of juice flavour. I found that I really didn't get on with the tobacco type flavours at first (RY4 excepted) - In a way I didn't want to be reminded of tobacco, so I switched to menthol based juice - I hate menthol analogues, incidentally.

I found that the menthol flavours really tickled my taste buds (I get most of my juice from Decadent Vapours in the UK) - And when mixed with a fruit flavour such as Cherry that menthol kick can be absolutely delicious.

Maybe stop looking for "tobacco" type tastes when you start out. I stopped buying them pretty soon after switching to vaping and it's only now that I enjoy the occasional tobacco flavour. At first I couldn't really abide any of them. This maybe had something to do with me expecting vaping to be like smoking and perhaps expecting the flavour of vapour to be the same as tobacco smoke. It simply isn't and it takes a while for your brain to make this disconnect in terms of expectation of flavour maybe. I have also found that some flavours take a while for you to acquire the taste for. Some I hated at the start, I now love.

I have now laid out the rest of my "not smoking analogues" budget from last month (£250 in total that was!!! - I still haven't spent that on vaping and I had no kit at all) on some 54% nic mix juice, some PG, some VG and a whole bunch of flavour extracts. I'm going to try mixing up some of my own flavours - I bet there's gonna be a lot of nasty tasting carp coming out of my study before I get that right. But it's all part of the fun I think. Not only that but it keeps my mind occupied on something other than smoking cigarettes ... That's got to be good, right?

It only took me a few weeks of buying lots of different 5mil bottles to hit on the flavours I like - There are so many out there that it's a bit of trial and error I'll admit. But rather than blaming the hardware for the lack of taste, just try some different flavours - Give it time, read some more about what hardware to buy and try and make the kit you have work for you. It will, trust me.

I'd humbly suggest getting some Boge cartomisers, learn to fill them and use your Ego-T battery with them - I think you'll be pleased with the results. I was. I can carry 5 or 6 in my pocket, all filled with different flavours and switch them out whenever I feel like it. When you are out and about, a cartomiser is your best friend in my humble opinion. Plus, they are pretty cheap - so if you don't like them, no harm done.

Don't give up. It's really daunting - I know I found it that way at first. But it only takes a month or so to hit on what you like, trust me. :) I can see people on this forum using their mods and big batteries and suchlike. It's all so exciting, interesting and yes, I am tempted to drop money on a big boy's setup like these. ;) But at the moment I think I'm going to stick to my Rivas until I know more about it all. They work well and I have had zero issues. I may consider upgrading in the future, but for now, I just figure if it ain't broke, don't mess with it.

PS. I recently made the switch to low rez dual coil cartomisers. So far, so good. They are thirsty though. I still use the trusty Boge ones though.

PPS. Don't buy CE3 Smokymizers. They are duff, leaky, fiddly, faffy, destroyers of hardware. - RIP Riva battery :( - Lesson learned there. Note to self: Always do your research before you purchase!

PPPS. I really don't get on with direct dripping on to an atomiser - That's definitely more me being a noob than it being bad. I find it all a bit messy and time consuming. I do do it occasionally, but I generally find it all a bit of a faff. It's a good way to quickly try out new juice though.
 
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