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Deeming - An absolute must read. How the FDA gagged the press

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  1. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Aug 24, 2013
    Hollywood (Beach), FL
    Takes one to know one. ;)

    Good luck. :)
     
  2. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    Being a union member helps... You get a lot of the propaganda from the International Union. :)

    But you don't have to be a communist in order to know what they are...
     
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  3. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Aug 24, 2013
    Hollywood (Beach), FL
    My post was merely salutary as informative of the mindset.

    (But I'm sure you know that.)

    Good luck. :)
     
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  4. Bad Ninja

    Bad Ninja Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 26, 2013
    Salton Sea, CA
    Lol
    My employees chased a union organizer off the property with hammers after he tried intimidation.
    Collective bargaining to gain union dues, and strongarm contracts.
    Organized criminals.
     
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  5. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    I do know that :) Many people think that the 'mindset' is something new with "journalists" - it's not. All you have to do is read the papers in the Adams/Jefferson election of 1796 (and 1800). It's a tribute to both candidates that they became the close friends for the rest of their lives.... although it took a while :)
     
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  6. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    Best post on this forum ever.
    Heck, this might be the best post ever in any forum on earth.

    And I rarely agree with you for some reason.

    But yeah, in this case you ARE the hammer.
    And you just hit the nail squarely on the head.
     
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  7. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    You're on quite a roll right now.
    This is another hell of a good post.

    You're going to make me like you if you keep this up.
    Just don't call my wife stupid when she puts batteries in her pocket with change.
    :laugh:
     
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  8. LV_VAPE_LIFE

    LV_VAPE_LIFE Full Member

    May 5, 2016
    Can't believe Americans are dumb enough to believe anything these fake organizations say. The only reason nobody does anything about it in the USA is because of the same reason nobody every does anything in the USA because Americans are afraid of imprisonment if we stand up and fight. After the housing collapse, Americans did nothing...how do you think that makes us look to the fake government? If you give your lunch money to the bully at school chances are he will be back again.
     
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  9. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    I would say the only reason nobody does anything about it is because...

    1) They rely on the mainstream media for information
    2) The mainstream media is corrupted and full of large chunks of crap
    3) Nobody knows how they are being fooled, because they rely on the mainstream media
    4) Recycle and repeat

    Yeah, there are a handful (percentage-wise) of people starting to "get it" these days.
    But it might be too little, too late at this point.
    :(
     
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  10. seminolewind

    seminolewind Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    You must know me well enough by now that I am an idealist. Yes I shouldn't be. I should have written that as a bona fide truth and proof to show it's not skewed towards a preconceived result. Maybe not easy. But we've come so far so fast, it's not impossible. We need to keep on educating people, talking, and using vaping products. Millions of people who are related or friends with a vaper are more apt to listen and hear what's actually logical. Many do not even know that e-liquid is pg or glycerin, flavoring, and choice of nicotine levels . Much of the public does not know how simple vaping really is.. I've heard that time and time again when people ask about my vaping. Aside from fighting on the highest levels, I think we need to focus more on people that have some kind of contact with a vaper like a friend or relative who may be more open minded to hear about what is really going on, and how simple vaping and products really are.

    It's a waste of time to talk about vaping to anyone you know isn't going to turn around and say , "you know, you have a point."
     
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  11. seminolewind

    seminolewind Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    We have also been conditioned since the time we are children how great it is to have a government like ours.

    It's not too little too late. Look at how much has been done world wide in the last 9 years. 40 million vapers and their friends and families who see it first hand. And growing.
     
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  12. LV_VAPE_LIFE

    LV_VAPE_LIFE Full Member

    May 5, 2016
    I don't think that more "education" is the right answer although it may be the responsible reaction. What is happening is something deep, dark and scary. Think big bad dark evil government that will never listen and never change.
     
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  13. seminolewind

    seminolewind Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    It is deep dark scary and dirty. You are so right. Reminds me a lot of what happened on that "Free State of Jones". Of course that was worse than this. But gov has been down and dirty for a long time. They will never listen.

    I hope eventually there's a way to expose them primarily and vaping secondarily because it ain't going to happen any other way.
     
  14. LV_VAPE_LIFE

    LV_VAPE_LIFE Full Member

    May 5, 2016
    We just have to face the fact that as American's... we have been misled and taken advantage of (And We Let It Happen, Again and Again). The only way to end it is to stop trusting secret black organizations .. and if you lose your gasoline, food, fuel whatever then so be it. Dont tread on me. Death before dishonor!
     
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  15. seminolewind

    seminolewind Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    BT and the FDA have done nothing but buy time before smoking cigarettes is no longer popular, and the day of bankruptcy is coming. Since our products are really not 100% relying on tobacco OR will not be in the future, BT will be stuck with billions of dollars of tobacco growing in fields that no longer has the demand for it even with their tobacco steamed vaper wanabees. (they should start converting their fields to growing soybeans now)

    The ONLY thing they could find to separate the sale of cigarettes from the sale of vaping products was a grandfather act. There was nothing else since we all are tobacco now . Does deeming vaping products "tobacco related" entitle us to the same "freedoms" as cigarettes without the grandfather clause?

    What would the scenario be if there were no grandfather clause? What vaping products have actually Not been researched? Every ingredient of e-liquid has been researched. Every battery, every wire, etc, can be matched up with some legal product or gadget used legally today.Battery driven, heat producing, vapor producting, etc. Most of the research of vaping products and liquids has already been done.
     
  16. seminolewind

    seminolewind Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    We have been trained that way from birth on. To have any behavior outside of society's preconceived opinion is deemed unwanted or frowned upon.
     
  17. Katdarling

    Katdarling Bling Kween and spreadsheet monster. ;) Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  18. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

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  19. HBcorpse

    HBcorpse Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 23, 2013
    ATTENTION -SOCAL- VAPERS...

    A BILLION LIVES premiere in Los Angeles next Friday (10/28/2016)

    A Billion Lives - Laemmle.com

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    I've got tickets.

    Get yours!

    Given the traffic problems with LA, it's better that you plan on an early showing, like 2:20pm

    Maybe we get lunch before hand?

    Anyone interested in going with me, PM me so we can set up a meet time!
     
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  20. Katdarling

    Katdarling Bling Kween and spreadsheet monster. ;) Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 25, 2011
    Utopia
    Bumpin' up the HB's post!!
     
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