Dehydration and Vaping
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That's some outfreakingstanding information!!! Thanks for that!
I need to drink coconut water, but I don't like the taste. I'll be giving that a try just as soon as I go off duty.
I mix it about half-and-half, so it doesn't make the pineapple juice "salty" -- that salty taste is why I can't drink it by itself. I read the labels on a ton of different juices, and other than Apricot Nectar (which costs a bundle!), pineapple juice seems to have the highest potassium. Mixed with coconut water, you really don't taste the coconut water at all.
I don't think the nicotine has much to do with it -- it's the hygroscopic nature of both PG and VG that causes it. Nicotine *might* contribute to a dry mouth, same as caffeine or pseudoephedrine or other stimulants, but that would tend to make you drink more -- but drinking more water just exacerbates this particular problem, because it flushes the electrolytes, and drinking anything with caffeine would naturally make it worse, since caffeine stimulates the bladder, AND contributes to a dry mouth, so it's a vicious circle -- but the high potassium/low sodium of coconut water/pineapple juice stops the circling completely.
I get my coconut water at Walmart -- Zico, Not from Concentrate -- be careful because they also carry Zico's "from concentrate" line. The Not from Concentrate is in a liter-sized carton rather than a bottle, on the "mixers" aisle, rather than the bottled water aisle. They actually carry two different versions of the Zico not from concentrate; I buy the one in the blue and white carton (doesn't have a large pic of a coconut) which is 360mg potassium; they have another which has the large pic of the coconut on it, which is even higher in potassium, but it's also saltier tasting, which means I drink less of it with my pineapple juice (about 1/3 coco water to 2/3 juice) or I can't stand the taste. Here, it's $3.98/liter; expensive, but I now only drink about 6-8 oz daily, as maintenance, and it seems to do the trick; at the very first sign of the bottom of my feet hurting, I go ahead and drink another 6-8oz, to stave off any problem arising/returning.
This problem is also why I cut down from 10 cups of black tea a day, to just 2-3 -- not so much bladder stimulation! Now I drink decaf iced tea during most of the day/evening, with the 2-3 cups of real tea in the morning.
It's hygroscopic, as noted above -- it actually grabs moisture from our mucous membrane tissues, to contribute to the visible vapor we exhale. But staying hydrated is only half the problem -- if you drink so much water that you make yourself pee constantly, then byebye electrolytes.
And just so all you VG lovers know... VG is just as hygroscopic as Pg; it will make you just as dehydrated, but you won't feel it as much in your mouth and throat because of VG's emollient properties -- which makes it actually worse for the problem, because you won't feel the dryness in your mouth and throat as much.
Also -- because coconut water does have high potassium -- anyone taking any medication, like for hypertension or kidney problems, etc, that messes with your potassium/sodium balance, you should consult your doctor before starting the coconut water regimen. My understanding is that DIETARY potassium probably won't have any ill effect, but those are serious conditions and serious medications, so it's a good idea to speak to the doc about it first. Electrolyte issues can contribute to a heart attack, so it's nothing to play with.
Andria
i am the same, i get up in the night to have a drink, my mouth is parched but it only helps for a few minutes? i think it must be the pg, it doesn't seem to matter how much i drink because obviously my throat and inside of mouth are only 'wet' for a few seconds, anxiously waiting for my VG only to come through the post
See my post just above... VG will NOT help the dehydration problem. It only makes your mouth and throat FEEL less dry, but it is still grabbing moisture, the same as PG.
Andria
Oh, gatorade is not bad for you. Unless you're on a low salt diet.
It does replenish your electrolytes. Dr. Cade was head of kidney research at the University of Florida.
He put the pee and perspiration in a gas chromatograph and cooked up a batch of the ingredients
added flavoring. He used to make $5000/month in royalties which he would re-invest into his research.
He had breakfast with us regularly for a while because one of his patient, Linda was one of my roomies.
Believe me, it's OK to drink. But coconut water is very high in potassium and hydrates you really well.
American G.I.s even used it as a plasma substitute during WWII.
I'm told they even used it on JFK when he was assassinated..
It does replenish your electrolytes. Dr. Cade was head of kidney research at the University of Florida.
He put the pee and perspiration in a gas chromatograph and cooked up a batch of the ingredients
added flavoring. He used to make $5000/month in royalties which he would re-invest into his research.
He had breakfast with us regularly for a while because one of his patient, Linda was one of my roomies.
Believe me, it's OK to drink. But coconut water is very high in potassium and hydrates you really well.
American G.I.s even used it as a plasma substitute during WWII.
I'm told they even used it on JFK when he was assassinated..
I like pineapple juice. But it's a diuretic..But so is nicotine..Then, that might help the swollen ankles.
Do you get cramps a lot?
(Disclaimer: The writer is not a physician and anything posted here is not to be misconstrued as medical advice...)
Do you get cramps a lot?
(Disclaimer: The writer is not a physician and anything posted here is not to be misconstrued as medical advice...)
Go for the sweetened coconut water, though you get used to the taste of the naturally sweetened stuff.
Now-a-days I have to remind myself to drink actual water 'cause mostly I drink coconut water
(which is getting expensive, but I get by the case it at costco, BJ's or Sams to lower expenses)
Now-a-days I have to remind myself to drink actual water 'cause mostly I drink coconut water
(which is getting expensive, but I get by the case it at costco, BJ's or Sams to lower expenses)
I get Vitacoco, usually. Costco has their own brand also which costs a little less.
My Walmart carries Grace which is really good but I prefer to not shop at Walmart if I can help it.
My Walmart carries Grace which is really good but I prefer to not shop at Walmart if I can help it.
Andrea, tea makes you pee.
Caffeine, nicotine, are diuretics.
I think PG might have something to with it too but I have no medical data readily available.
I prefer to use mostly or all VG.
Considering VG is used in so many cosmetics ETC. I'm sure
the big shot manufacturers wouldn't want to take the unnecessary risk..maybe they don't care.
But I have read about too many people having allergic reactions to PG
Caffeine, nicotine, are diuretics.
I think PG might have something to with it too but I have no medical data readily available.
I prefer to use mostly or all VG.
Considering VG is used in so many cosmetics ETC. I'm sure
the big shot manufacturers wouldn't want to take the unnecessary risk..maybe they don't care.
But I have read about too many people having allergic reactions to PG
Nicotine is a diuretic ... this is the first time I've heard anyone say this (well, write it in this case
). I Googled and it appears nicotine is a anti-diuretic, though I did get one hit to research from way back that suggests that it is diuretic to smokers and anti-diuretic to those that do not habitually use nicotine. Does anyone know more about this?
Yes, I'm well aware that tea makes you pee. That's why I went from 10 cups a day to 2 or 3, and decaf the rest of the day -- I went from needing a bathroom break every 20 minutes to maybe once an hour. I've tried the Vitacoco, and it's about the same as the Zico, but usually costs more, at Walmart; I only get it when they're out of the Zico.
I used to get terrible foot and leg cramps almost every night, particularly if I had been either sweating or crying a lot the day before -- menopause is hell. I would have to get up from a sound sleep and chug powerade with tonic water in it (for the quinine) like no tomorrow. Now, I only get them every now and then, and when I get up, I get the coconut water/pinapple juice mix, with just a splash of tonic water, and it gets rid of the cramps much faster than powerade and a whole bunch of tonic water ever thought about. If I start drinking an extra glass of the coco/pineapple mix for a few days, then the cramps go away again. They're like my "advanced early warning" that my hydration is getting a bit short.
Andria
That's why I went from 10 cups a day to 2 or 3, and decaf the rest of the day -- I went from needing a bathroom break every 20 minutes to maybe once an hour. I've tried the Vitacoco, and it's about the same as the Zico, but usually costs more, at Walmart; I only get it when they're out of the Zico.I used to get terrible foot and leg cramps almost every night, particularly if I had been either sweating or crying a lot the day before -- menopause is hell.
I would have to get up from a sound sleep and chug powerade with tonic water in it (for the quinine) like no tomorrow. Now, I only get them every now and then, and when I get up, I get the coconut water/pinapple juice mix, with just a splash of tonic water, and it gets rid of the cramps much faster than powerade and a whole bunch of tonic water ever thought about. If I start drinking an extra glass of the coco/pineapple mix for a few days, then the cramps go away again. They're like my "advanced early warning" that my hydration is getting a bit short. Andria
This is a pretty interesting thread! I'm new to the site, but not new to vaping (started last June, been analog-free ever since). Tell you the truth, I never noticed any dehydration, but I tend to drink like a fish normally so I doubt I'd have noticed my thirst kicking up when I vape vs normal. I also think newer vapers should consider the flavor of their juices. I like fruity, sweet vapes, and these often feel refreshing in the mouth and that could trick me into thinking I wasn't thirsty, but I really would be. If you're gonna be using vapes like that (lots of fruit blends get advertised as "refreshing"), remember that it only FEELS refreshing...it's not actually getting you any liquid
Nicotine is a diuretic ... this is the first time I've heard anyone say this (well, write it in this case
Does anyone know more about this?
Yes and no. Because of nicotine is vasoconstrictor and stimulates the release of vasopressin, and acetylcholine, both anti-diuretic hormones, it at first acts an anti-diuretic.
However:
" The liver metabolizes about 80% to 90% of the nicotine before it is excreted in the kidneys. The elimination half-life of nicotine in a chronic smoker is about 2 hours, so frequent administration is needed to maintain blood levels. Each cigarette produces a sharp increase in nicotine concentration within the brain to the desired plasma concentration, usually between 20 to 40 nanograms (ng) of nicotine per milliliter (mL) of plasma."
Because like most chemicals one ingests, it is excreted by the kidney, the more nicotine you ingest the more you gotta pee.
Moreover, as we've been discussing, nicotine has a dehydrating effect.
You get thirsty, drink more water, pee.
Furthermore, "Nicotine's diuretic effect has been reported by people with high blood pressure, high blood cholesterol, panic disorder, depression, type 2 diabetes."
And, most folks have their coffee with their smokes/vapes, and there is no question that caffeine makes you pee.
"Lesions of septal nuclei in rats enhance water intake and urine outflow. The effects of nicotine tartrate (2.5 mg/kg) on drinking and diuresis were investigated in normal, sham and septal lesioned rats. Nicotine administration resulted in a surprising hyperdipsia and polyuria in lesioned animals, the mean output rose from 38 ± 1.3 ml (before treatment) to 101.6 ± 6.1 (during treatment) and water intake increased from 74.2 ±1.8 ml to 129.8 ± 6.4 ml."
So, again: Yes and No. It depends on several variables; Whether you ingest nicotine all by it's lonesome, whether you're diabetic or pre-diabetic,
how much nicotine you ingest...ETC.
It has also been known to damage your kidneys. Now, bad kidneys can cause you to retain liquid or to pee too much. Either way.
Bottom line, stay hydrated and don't worry about it too much.
Otherwise you might be afraid to walk across the street...
But, good point. Good question.
Menopause..Oh boy. Yup, it is hell. Fortunately my wife is finished with all that (but she still gives me hellYes, I'm well aware that tea makes you pee.
I used to get terrible foot and leg cramps almost every night, particularly if I had been either sweating or crying a lot the day before -- menopause is hell.
Andria
And cramps! Holy ---- I used to wake up screaming until I had a bloodwork done and realized what I knew all along.
My electrolytes were in the mud. I started eating lot's of bananas (I don't really like bananas) and supplementing with potassium.
Then I started drinking coconut water and no more cramps. No more potassium supplements, and I only eat the bananas I do like, the little
'manzanos' we call them.
Orange juice is god for potassium to but not as good as coconut, and since oranges are way high in natural sugar
I really have to ration that 'cause my blood sugar was a little high. But I used to drink about a gallon every two days (I live in Florida..)
BTW, since I mentioned sugar. nicotine has a negative effect on your pancreas.
So if you're pre-diabetic...
(Again: This writer is not a physician and nothing posted herein should be misconstrued as medical advice..just shootin' the bull here)
Menopause..Oh boy. Yup, it is hell. Fortunately my wife is finished with all that (but she still gives me hell
And cramps! Holy ---- I used to wake up screaming until I had a bloodwork done and realized what I knew all along.
My electrolytes were in the mud. I started eating lot's of bananas (I don't really like bananas) and supplementing with potassium.
Then I started drinking coconut water and no more cramps. No more potassium supplements, and I only eat the bananas I do like, the little
'manzanos' we call them.
Orange juice is god for potassium to but not as good as coconut, and since oranges are way high in natural sugar
I really have to ration that 'cause my blood sugar was a little high. But I used to drink about a gallon every two days (I live in Florida..)
BTW, since I mentioned sugar. nicotine has a negative effect on your pancreas.
So if you're pre-diabetic...
(Again: This writer is not a physician and nothing posted herein should be misconstrued as medical advice..just shootin' the bull here)
Nope, no diabetes of any kind here, pre- or otherwise, THANK GOD, because it runs -- hell, it GALLOPS -- thru my family. Because of my gene pool, I've always been terrified of it, and watched my weight and my diet very carefully; also, since I have the stopped-up (usually) verson of IBS, I have to eat a LOT of fiber, which also helps sugar metabolism, slowing it down. Hopefully if I can maintain my good eating habits and moderate weight, I'll never have to deal with that [expletive omitted] of a disease. My mom is pretty much confined to a wheelchair thx to that horrible disease, her legs are so swollen that it's very difficult for her to stand for more than a minute or two; she's very likely going to have to progress (hah!) from oral meds to injectable insulin in the very near future, and she is NOT looking forward to that, she bruises if you look at her hard.
But still gobbling sugar like a maniac. OJ is ok, but it kinda irritates my mouth -- so would pineapple if I drank it straight, but mixing it 50/50 with the coconut water seems to mitigate the irritation. OJ was definitely one that I checked for potassium content, but pineapple is higher, and it goes nicely with coconut, so I stick with that. Bananas are good with Blueberry Muffin Frosted Mini-Wheats, but otherwise I can take 'em or leave 'em; last summer when I was first dealing with all this electrolyte BS, I was supplementing the coconut water with canteloupes, another great source -- seems like most of the beta-carotene-rich foods are also high in potassium, hoorah!
I think it's pretty cool that not only do I no longer smoke, but vaping has forced me out of my comfy niche with caffeine just in order to stay hydrated, AND I don't snack so much while waiting for a commercial [smoke-break!] when watching TV, so I haven't gained any weight from quitting smoking -- win-win-win all around!
Andria
Thanks for the info HazyShades. I'm curious about the dehydrating effect we seem to get from vaping and this will give me a bit more to research
It is amazing how much I drink since I started vaping. And am also amazed how flavorful things have become
I'm brand new to vaping (been doing it for about 35 hours) and I have noticed that it makes your mouth really dry and clearly dehydrades you just as everyone is saying. Has anyone noticed that drinking alcohol and vaping increases a hangover? If the reason alcohol gives people a bad hangover is due to dehydration than that mixed with vaping should really make you feel like crap, right?
That sounds entirely reasonable to me. Just another reason to be glad I gave up drinking 22 yrs ago; I was already at the point where my hangovers lasted 3 days. If it got any worse than that, I'd never survive!
Andria
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