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poisonette

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That is exactly the problem over here. No one else is transitioning. When I moved to fl I had one 16 yr old and one 8 yr old we didn't uave a tree the first yr and we were all good with it. We celebrated Yule. Then I met my husband who was athiest and had raised his kid that way, but they were all about the commercialism of christmas and the tree and all that. I told him I celebrate Yule and he was ok with that but was confused at the same time lol. He put up a tree for his kids who were 9 & 13. He is no longer athiest and follows my path. But, it just keeps on especially now with the baby. She knows about christmas, not yule yet. I have been trying to get yule celebrated around here for years now. It just never works. It is hard when only one person wants a change.
Yea, well, decorating the tree for xmas was kinda stolen anyway. lol But, I won't go into that.
I am the only one around here (home) who believes in the same path you do and I have absolutly no support for it whatsoever. So I try to do it quietly & peacefully on my own terms, even if it's only a few minutes alone time.

On another note, had to drag up our tree from the basement yesterday, heavy thing. Gotta clean up my 4yr old son's toy area to make room for it tomorrow. I'm SO NOT in the mood for xmas this year. Luckily I've gotten the hang on online shopping and calulating shipping times. LOL
 

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My brother is Jewish, me and my oldest girl are pagan, the rest of them vaugely undecided.... When I first started deciding how to deal with the 'winter' holiday, I figured there were enough pagan elements to just roll with it. It works out. The kids don't feel left out, I don't feel left out, the rest of them don't get too offended.
 

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Luckily I've gotten the hang on online shopping and calulating shipping times. LOL

I totally love online shopping. Son and I did a little Black Friday from the comfort of the living room. Between the sales they had going and the discount codes I found, we got some really good deals. Better than I would have at stores and I didn't have to skip a nights sleep!!!:)
 

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I think I am just in a funk now and will get over it. I think some of this is coming from my hubby. He is upset about not seeing his son for a long time ( 6 months) seems to be the norm now, if we are lucky. We have no idea if we will have to show up at his ex's door again this yr to drop off his gifts. We had to drive 3 hours last yr , hoping they were home and then wait around until they were to stand in the foyer of her house for an hour. That is the longest time we have seen him in a yr. Since the daughter moved back with us.
I know the Tree thing I should just get over it LOL and I think I will get over it and just put it up and go find a big fat yule log too LOL. I did decorate a nice Yule log 2 yrs ago when hubby sold his farm I took a nice log from there. He didn't think I wanted to keep it (I did) and I have no idea what he did with it. Maybe it went into one of our bonfires. Technically (sort of) that was suppose to happen to it anyway.

Maybe I can suggest to hubby and the older kids that we celebrate on Yule. We can explain to the baby that Santa has so many houses to go to that sometimes he goes to peoples houses on Yule a few days early. I am sure the older kids wont mind getting thier presents early LOL.
 

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Well I was in the "happy holiday" mood until just a few minutes ago.

I got a friend who is a diabetic to try vaping. She was doing great too. I haven't seen her for a couple of days, but I just got a call from her sister saying she is smoking again!!!!:grr::grr::grr::grr:

I haven't called her yet because I know why she is---her mom passed away right before last Xmas.
I guess I'll give her this time and then try to nudge her back after New Years.

Still, I'm ticked!!!
 

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Well I was in the "happy holiday" mood until just a few minutes ago.

I got a friend who is a diabetic to try vaping. She was doing great too. I haven't seen her for a couple of days, but I just got a call from her sister saying she is smoking again!!!!:grr::grr::grr::grr:

I haven't called her yet because I know why she is---her mom passed away right before last Xmas.
I guess I'll give her this time and then try to nudge her back after New Years.

Still, I'm ticked!!!

That is a hard time to not want to smoke. Maybe she will quit again after new years.
 

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I've gone through this a couple times before---friends or family wanting to quit, taking up the e-cig and then going back to smoking. No problem, they tried it and most like it and it's up to them to go back to it if they wish.
And last night I'd calmed myself down because I was totally thinking of myself which is wrong. Unfortunately, I'm ...... again though.

Here's the story on my friend. She (K) and her sister (S) are like sisters to me. Their Mom (F) was a second mother to me. Around fourteen months ago and a couple months before passing away (I think she knew it was coming), F made S and K promise to quit (I had already). S did (using the e-cig). K kept putting it off and off and off. K is a diabetic and already had to get her legs reamed out to get blood circulation going again. Again and again she promised to her mom to quit.
F passed and S and K's daughter were on her big time about quitting. For nearly a year, I stood up for her and said K will when she is ready. A few months ago, K, again, had to go in and have her legs reamed out. The doctor told her either quit or lose the legs.
This scared the holy crap out of her and she finally said, "Okay, I'm not losing my legs because of smoking."
I was happy as a lark.
I set her up with some stuff and Sallana gave me some stuff for her. And, as I said before, she was doing great.
I saw her about an hour ago AND I DIDN'T SAY A WORD (wanted to but I didn't).
She admitted it right off and used her mom as the reason---okay I accepted this.
THEN she told me she hadn't ordered any liquid. She doesn't have a computer---wouldn't know how to turn it on. Her daughter does though. K did not want to bother her.
And, because of Salana, she didn't have to buy any liquid to get started. Then I gave her stuff to try to find her favorites. Of course her favorite is my favorite so I've been keeping her supplied with liquid---wanted to make sure she was vaping long enough to feel all the positive changes.

Now we are talking about a woman who has the household income that is about three times as much as mine so I told her the last time, she had to get her own. I told her then, she could come over and I'd help her put in an order if her daughter couldn't do it.
Here is why I'm a bit ...... again. K is famous for the pouting lip---that bottom lip will come up for all to see. She didn't want to part with the money!!!
Well, I kind of lost it then---just a little bit though.
I said, "For criminy sakes K, you're buying cigs at over four bucks a pack. That's over a $120 a month!!!
And at that point I pretty much washed my hands of the whole deal.

K liked vaping so I'm pretty sure she will go back to it---if nothing else, she will after her daughter rips her a new you-know-what.
Me I'm leaning back, vaping, and mellowing out.:vapor:
 

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Hi...I've been reading here for a while, but never posted. I finally decided, with a little push from DH, and friends, to go see the doctor...My first appt is Thursday.
Hopefully they can help me fix this, because I'm tired of crying in the grocery store because I can't figure out which soap to buy...anyways wish me luck.
 

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Hi...I've been reading here for a while, but never posted. I finally decided, with a little push from DH, and friends, to go see the doctor...My first appt is Thursday.
Hopefully they can help me fix this, because I'm tired of crying in the grocery store because I can't figure out which soap to buy...anyways wish me luck.

You got it. I hope you find the help you need. It is very frustrating to feel the way you do. I think most of us here have been there.
 

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You got it. I hope you find the help you need. It is very frustrating to feel the way you do. I think most of us here have been there.

Thanks, Nyxie.
BTW... thanks for whoever posted about the flylady...I try to stick with it, but at the moment my sink is far from shiny. Maybe tomorrow...
 

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Hi...I've been reading here for a while, but never posted. I finally decided, with a little push from DH, and friends, to go see the doctor...My first appt is Thursday.
Hopefully they can help me fix this, because I'm tired of crying in the grocery store because I can't figure out which soap to buy...anyways wish me luck.


That's great! It's a big step and maybe the hardest one to take! I know I put it off this last time. In the past I wasn't as bad. I'd go right in, but I had a poor pshychologist experience so when I spiraled down into it this time, I put off going...

Are you going to a medical doc or psychiatrist or psychologist? Is this the first time you are seeking a professional's help? I ask because sometimes it can take a few trys to find the right doctor so don't get discouraged if the first one isn't the right one! (I know it's hard not to be discouraged when it takes all your strength just to go see the first Dr.) I wish you the best and don't be afraid to tell the Dr what you think you need or want to accomplish by seeing him/her.

P.S. - Don't worry about your sink, if it's too hard right now try something smaller, like one dish on the counter. Definitely don't let yourself feel bad about not doing it, just start somewhere else. One tiny little thing at a time...

Keep us posted because we're here to listen!
 

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I've gone through this a couple times before---friends or family wanting to quit, taking up the e-cig and then going back to smoking. No problem, they tried it and most like it and it's up to them to go back to it if they wish.
And last night I'd calmed myself down because I was totally thinking of myself which is wrong. Unfortunately, I'm ...... again though.

Here's the story on my friend. She (K) and her sister (S) are like sisters to me. Their Mom (F) was a second mother to me. Around fourteen months ago and a couple months before passing away (I think she knew it was coming), F made S and K promise to quit (I had already). S did (using the e-cig). K kept putting it off and off and off. K is a diabetic and already had to get her legs reamed out to get blood circulation going again. Again and again she promised to her mom to quit.
F passed and S and K's daughter were on her big time about quitting. For nearly a year, I stood up for her and said K will when she is ready. A few months ago, K, again, had to go in and have her legs reamed out. The doctor told her either quit or lose the legs.
This scared the holy crap out of her and she finally said, "Okay, I'm not losing my legs because of smoking."
I was happy as a lark.
I set her up with some stuff and Sallana gave me some stuff for her. And, as I said before, she was doing great.
I saw her about an hour ago AND I DIDN'T SAY A WORD (wanted to but I didn't).
She admitted it right off and used her mom as the reason---okay I accepted this.
THEN she told me she hadn't ordered any liquid. She doesn't have a computer---wouldn't know how to turn it on. Her daughter does though. K did not want to bother her.
And, because of Salana, she didn't have to buy any liquid to get started. Then I gave her stuff to try to find her favorites. Of course her favorite is my favorite so I've been keeping her supplied with liquid---wanted to make sure she was vaping long enough to feel all the positive changes.

Now we are talking about a woman who has the household income that is about three times as much as mine so I told her the last time, she had to get her own. I told her then, she could come over and I'd help her put in an order if her daughter couldn't do it.
Here is why I'm a bit ...... again. K is famous for the pouting lip---that bottom lip will come up for all to see. She didn't want to part with the money!!!
Well, I kind of lost it then---just a little bit though.
I said, "For criminy sakes K, you're buying cigs at over four bucks a pack. That's over a $120 a month!!!
And at that point I pretty much washed my hands of the whole deal.

K liked vaping so I'm pretty sure she will go back to it---if nothing else, she will after her daughter rips her a new you-know-what.
Me I'm leaning back, vaping, and mellowing out.:vapor:

I don't blame you for being upset - what a frustrating situation. I think you're making a good decision to step back. If she wants to smoke, she'll always have a reason in her mind. We can rationalize almost anything!

It's wonderful that you've stuck with her for this long. We want the best for our friends, but sometimes, like our children, we just have to wait for them to see the light (I've found direct threats and bribery to be very enlightening on the children front - not so much for friends though)! Though in K's case it sounds like the light she may be seeing is the one that shines where her legs used to be 8-o I can see why you're trying so hard! Unfortunately, I don't see a way to help her except to be there for her either way - for quitting support or, god forbid, amputation support. I sure hope it doesn't come to that. I'm sending quitting thoughts K's way!

FOA
 

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I took the 17 yr old last night on a trip to wally world and we got a 4 ft white tree and some blue ornaments. I had no issue getting it put up either. The 4 yr old woke up this am and yelled at me about not having a big tree but then was ok with it after she saw the lights on and helped decorate it. Phew I really didn't want to have to put the big tree up. This one appears bigger because I put it on an end table LOL. I even bought a new top , just a plain blue star. That was odd for me since I have had the same ugly top on my tree since I can remember. It is a 100 yr old greenish glass ornament with the old wire around it. I thought well , new tree new top and it is a star so thats ok LOL. Now all I need to do is find a log to decorate .
 

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Thanks, Nyxie.
BTW... thanks for whoever posted about the flylady...I try to stick with it, but at the moment my sink is far from shiny. Maybe tomorrow...

Ya I wouldnt worry about the sink being shiney just yet. You need to feel good first. Then you can shine the sink. ;-)
 
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