Did I find 75mg liquid?
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I'm not seeing any internet privacy act verbiage in the disclaimer, or anything about fake oakleys, coach handbags or anything else. It just has a bunch of language that says you agree to only use the products for research purposes, are at least 18, etc.
I got some of this stuff early on (know a guy who knows a guy sort of thing). It's great stuff to vape, although undiluted it is way too strong for me (gave me the shakes). First thing that struck me was the difference in color: If you look at the Chinese fluid, the "0mg" fluid is perfectly clear, and anything with nicotine in it is brownish yellow. This stuff had only the faintest yellow tinge to it, which actually makes sense (nicotine itself is colorless, so is PG, so any color is coming from impurities). Check this pic out:
Those are two cartridges used about the same length of time (until they deformed and lost contact with the atomizer), and from the same pack. The one on the left is Mint High (18mg) from the Smoking Everywhere booth at the mall (and the 0mg Mint was definitely colorless, they used clear bottles), the one on the right is Blip liquid diluted 3-1 to 19mg and given a few drops of Wintergreen artificial flavor. Now, here's the question: If nicotine is clear and colorless, and PG is clear and colorless, what the *hell* have the Chinese manufacturers been putting in their liquid to make it look like that?
My guess is that they are using 30-40% pesticide grade nicotine, which is 60-70% whatever else comes out of the tobacco, including all that nastiness the FDA found. Blip and probably the other US manufacturers are using scientific/USP grade ingredients. It's actually *harder* to get the cheap pesticide grade stuff, because you can only buy it by the 55gallon drum (and even if cheaper than 99%, we're talking tens of thousands of dollars).
Those are two cartridges used about the same length of time (until they deformed and lost contact with the atomizer), and from the same pack. The one on the left is Mint High (18mg) from the Smoking Everywhere booth at the mall (and the 0mg Mint was definitely colorless, they used clear bottles), the one on the right is Blip liquid diluted 3-1 to 19mg and given a few drops of Wintergreen artificial flavor. Now, here's the question: If nicotine is clear and colorless, and PG is clear and colorless, what the *hell* have the Chinese manufacturers been putting in their liquid to make it look like that?
My guess is that they are using 30-40% pesticide grade nicotine, which is 60-70% whatever else comes out of the tobacco, including all that nastiness the FDA found. Blip and probably the other US manufacturers are using scientific/USP grade ingredients. It's actually *harder* to get the cheap pesticide grade stuff, because you can only buy it by the 55gallon drum (and even if cheaper than 99%, we're talking tens of thousands of dollars).
scary.. that's why I don't buy chinese stuff, personally. I use JC exclusively.
Havn't asked just waiting to get back to Houston.
Hope my posting his email is under the radar.
Has anyone else tried this liquid? I sent nerf a PM a few minutes ago, figured id post the same questions here for anyone else thats used it uncut.
1. Do you get a nicotine rush thats comparable to a regular cigarette?
2. If you have been using the 7.5% for a while, do you still get the rush when you vape for a while?
3. Does the high feel like a regular cig does?
4. Do you find that you vape less now that you're using such a high nicotine concentration? As in do you vape in time frames closer to how you used to smoke cigs?
Thanks for any help on this... i'm hoping this liquid solves whats been missing from ecigs for me.
Also, did the price go down? It seems like this thread was saying it was $80 for a bottle, their site says $30 for 7.5%.
Thanks again
1. Do you get a nicotine rush thats comparable to a regular cigarette?
2. If you have been using the 7.5% for a while, do you still get the rush when you vape for a while?
3. Does the high feel like a regular cig does?
4. Do you find that you vape less now that you're using such a high nicotine concentration? As in do you vape in time frames closer to how you used to smoke cigs?
Thanks for any help on this... i'm hoping this liquid solves whats been missing from ecigs for me.
Also, did the price go down? It seems like this thread was saying it was $80 for a bottle, their site says $30 for 7.5%.
Thanks again
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My thoughts exactly and why I'm sticking with ECOPure for now.
If they have no problems painting toys in lead paint for the US market, I really don't have the confidence that these products are ungoing any kind of safety tests either.
Yes, the prce came down but not that drastically. If you choose the 30ml size at 7.5%, it's now $54.99.
Hope that helps.
ahh ok, I was thinking the 15ml was all they were selling. I emailed him about a price cut for a bulk order. I'll be trying this stuff out in a couple weeks.
Thanks
They are located here in Arlington,TX.and they are a pharmaceutical lab supplier. I was wondering if anyone has bought from them yet. I did see someone here on the forum mention them a week or so back, but can't locate the thread again.
Seems like they provide nicotine for the university studies, I don't know if they will sell to the general public. Would seem like it would be an item homeland security would keep an eye on due to the lethal properties of pure or near pure nicotine.
Good God....I hope the suppliers I've used haven't had this thought.
their disclaimer said:
That disclaimer is just them protecting themselves. If it truly is just PG and nicotine, then it is safer than Chinese made liquids. In reality though, no one has any idea what all is liquid from any supplier.
Are they really a lab supplier? Do you have any proof of that? That would be awesome if they really are. Even if they aren't I feel safer vaping this stuff than Chinese liquids anyways.
Nerf bought some and gave a report on it a few pages back in this thread...it sounds like exactly what i'm looking for from his report on it.
Hadn't seen this thread in awhile and forgot to give my promised usage update - whoops, it's 3am right now and I just back from an Austin weekend with the girlfriend, so theres a good chance I'm leaving stuff out. If anyone wants more detail just holler at me I'll post it up.
This stuff is amazing. So far I've mixed up watermelon, grape, tropical punch, cotton candy, peach, mango, and banana creme lorann flavors with it.
My daily use vape is around 20mg, basically I cut the 75 2:1 with glycerin and PG, and then add a bit of flavor. The flavor itself is what you have to base the amount of flavor on, because they vary greatly. Grape doesn't take much at all, watermelon and banana need a bit more. Mango and cotton candy are just wrong, and I'm still undecided on peach.
I've found on my liquids, that if I just go straight pg+flavor cutting, there is almost zero visible vapor. If you want a stealth vape, this is the way to go. The throat hit with no glycerin does seem to be slightly less, and as its thinner you'll be dripping/refilling a little bit more, but its not a huge difference. It's really nice being able to exhale normally and have almost zero vapor come out visibly if you're trying to hide it while vaping in class.
More glycerin, more vapor clouds. Haven't noticed any difference in throat hit between 5-10% glycerin and 50-60% glycerin. With only a little bit of glycerin though, you'll get the better throat hit and the vapor will still dissipate fairly quick. It'll linger a bit when you start approaching 30-60%.
I've been storing it all in the bottles they send them in (looks like boston rounds to me) and at room temperature. I haven't noticed any decrease in throat hit or anything else on the older liquid than the stuff I just got in, so it seems to keep fairly well. I'd still probably refrigerate it if you're going to plan on having it on hand for more than a few weeks though - I purposely left a couple ml in the bottom of the first bottle I ordered and left it on my desk so I could compare it to the new stuff as I ordered.
I'm leaning towards siding with menville that they are a lab supplier as well - all of the email correspondence has been professional and their sales guy Nathan has always wished me the best of luck with my research while answering specific questions I had in a manner that seems consistent with a supplier. I can't find the actual email in question, my inbox is not easy to navigate with all the connector stuff and questions pertaining to it - but the gist of it was that I asked a question and his reply was that he can't give me details, but a lab that he supplies told him xx, and if I needed specific details he would be more than happy to submit a request along with my contact info to that lab, and it was up to them if they wanted to send me specifics.
Top notch customer service and thus far the longest I've had to wait from payment->shipping notification is 1 full business day (ordered last thursday night, it went out monday morning) - I was a little irked when I didn't get the notification email the next day like I generally do, but I realized later that last friday was Rosh Hashanah - and I've been dealing with a Nathan Goldberg - so it's not really surprising that they closed on one of the high holidays. If I ordered right now, I wouldn't be shocked if it didn't ship until tuesday, as today is Yom Kippur.
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I just caught your other thread merk, and I have to laugh at people in both threads bashing Blip and their liquid based on things like anonymous hosting and disclaimers. Everyone should take a step back before throwing stones at companies that help us do what we enjoy doing and look at who we support on a daily basis. Smugglers. Every single E-cig supplier in the US is selling goods that they illegally smuggled in from China. E-liquid might not be illegal to possess like ......, or steroids, or HGH or other things that are regularly smuggled in past customs, but there IS an import ban on it, and they ARE selling goods that have been erroneously passed through customs (read: smuggled!)
I'd rather support a US-based company that from as far as I can tell is indeed a legitimate laboratory supplier than vape stuff smuggled in from an unknown factory in China. Especially when the people doing the bashing are doing so in spite of obvious evidence of impurity in the Chinese liquid. Seriously - the stuff is brown, and it shouldn't be.
I just got another bottle of 7.5% in last Monday, I have been meaning to send Dvap a sample for purity testing and keep forgetting to, but I'll try to remember to do that today. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words, but I'd easily put up $100 that says this stuff is as advertised, because nothing I've seen since I've started using it tells me otherwise, contrary to the chinese liquid.
This stuff is amazing. So far I've mixed up watermelon, grape, tropical punch, cotton candy, peach, mango, and banana creme lorann flavors with it.
My daily use vape is around 20mg, basically I cut the 75 2:1 with glycerin and PG, and then add a bit of flavor. The flavor itself is what you have to base the amount of flavor on, because they vary greatly. Grape doesn't take much at all, watermelon and banana need a bit more. Mango and cotton candy are just wrong, and I'm still undecided on peach.
I've found on my liquids, that if I just go straight pg+flavor cutting, there is almost zero visible vapor. If you want a stealth vape, this is the way to go. The throat hit with no glycerin does seem to be slightly less, and as its thinner you'll be dripping/refilling a little bit more, but its not a huge difference. It's really nice being able to exhale normally and have almost zero vapor come out visibly if you're trying to hide it while vaping in class.
More glycerin, more vapor clouds. Haven't noticed any difference in throat hit between 5-10% glycerin and 50-60% glycerin. With only a little bit of glycerin though, you'll get the better throat hit and the vapor will still dissipate fairly quick. It'll linger a bit when you start approaching 30-60%.
I've been storing it all in the bottles they send them in (looks like boston rounds to me) and at room temperature. I haven't noticed any decrease in throat hit or anything else on the older liquid than the stuff I just got in, so it seems to keep fairly well. I'd still probably refrigerate it if you're going to plan on having it on hand for more than a few weeks though - I purposely left a couple ml in the bottom of the first bottle I ordered and left it on my desk so I could compare it to the new stuff as I ordered.
I'm leaning towards siding with menville that they are a lab supplier as well - all of the email correspondence has been professional and their sales guy Nathan has always wished me the best of luck with my research while answering specific questions I had in a manner that seems consistent with a supplier. I can't find the actual email in question, my inbox is not easy to navigate with all the connector stuff and questions pertaining to it - but the gist of it was that I asked a question and his reply was that he can't give me details, but a lab that he supplies told him xx, and if I needed specific details he would be more than happy to submit a request along with my contact info to that lab, and it was up to them if they wanted to send me specifics.
Top notch customer service and thus far the longest I've had to wait from payment->shipping notification is 1 full business day (ordered last thursday night, it went out monday morning) - I was a little irked when I didn't get the notification email the next day like I generally do, but I realized later that last friday was Rosh Hashanah - and I've been dealing with a Nathan Goldberg - so it's not really surprising that they closed on one of the high holidays. If I ordered right now, I wouldn't be shocked if it didn't ship until tuesday, as today is Yom Kippur.
Edit:
I just caught your other thread merk, and I have to laugh at people in both threads bashing Blip and their liquid based on things like anonymous hosting and disclaimers. Everyone should take a step back before throwing stones at companies that help us do what we enjoy doing and look at who we support on a daily basis. Smugglers. Every single E-cig supplier in the US is selling goods that they illegally smuggled in from China. E-liquid might not be illegal to possess like ......, or steroids, or HGH or other things that are regularly smuggled in past customs, but there IS an import ban on it, and they ARE selling goods that have been erroneously passed through customs (read: smuggled!)
I'd rather support a US-based company that from as far as I can tell is indeed a legitimate laboratory supplier than vape stuff smuggled in from an unknown factory in China. Especially when the people doing the bashing are doing so in spite of obvious evidence of impurity in the Chinese liquid. Seriously - the stuff is brown, and it shouldn't be.
I just got another bottle of 7.5% in last Monday, I have been meaning to send Dvap a sample for purity testing and keep forgetting to, but I'll try to remember to do that today. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words, but I'd easily put up $100 that says this stuff is as advertised, because nothing I've seen since I've started using it tells me otherwise, contrary to the chinese liquid.
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Yes we do :
for example Totally Wicked has the certificates of analyses of the
makeup of thier 54mg 'Platinum' liquid on their main web page.,
showing it's as pure as can be made.
Not sure if any of the other 'high strength' juice suppliers have done that yet.
Certainly it's an assurance of purity (hence quality).
I think DVap pretty much stated he can't tell you the purity, simply the
amount of nicotine present (with the current simple titration procedure).
I doubt though that these super-strength juices are anything but pharmaceutical grade,
but they are just not usually supplied to the public.
Without analytical assurances it could be a risk, but if TW wasn't
selling similar stuff I'd be more than tempted to use it myself.
Hey, Nerf, great reviews and glad you are testing it, lol. We did not bash him for anything other than his blase attitude in wanting to vape 80 mg liquid and not stating that it may be dangerous 
If a newbie were to go about that (and yes, I am mixing my own) they MAY be harmed, you gotta see that Either way, I hope this is as good as it seems since it would give us some great stateside access! I would bet this is already being used by some of our fav suppliers, but...of course, they are going to cut it and/or make sure you understand the risks and safety procedures as you showed you do. You tried it cut way down, then ramped up, once you got to that high level you did notice it, eh? Our fellow merk, there...well, he just wanted to toss it on and vape away, can't be giving people the idea that would be OK. No, needs to be done as you did if at all. Good job
If a newbie were to go about that (and yes, I am mixing my own) they MAY be harmed, you gotta see that Either way, I hope this is as good as it seems since it would give us some great stateside access! I would bet this is already being used by some of our fav suppliers, but...of course, they are going to cut it and/or make sure you understand the risks and safety procedures as you showed you do. You tried it cut way down, then ramped up, once you got to that high level you did notice it, eh? Our fellow merk, there...well, he just wanted to toss it on and vape away, can't be giving people the idea that would be OK. No, needs to be done as you did if at all. Good job Hey Nerf,
Thanks for all that great info and review on their liquid. I definitely plan on trying this out in the next few weeks. From what it sounds like, this may be exactly what i've been looking for.
Plus I fully agree that I feel much better about putting this stuff into my lungs than unregulated chinese liquid. Especially after seeing that cart picture earlier in the thread.
Thanks again
Thanks for all that great info and review on their liquid. I definitely plan on trying this out in the next few weeks. From what it sounds like, this may be exactly what i've been looking for.
Plus I fully agree that I feel much better about putting this stuff into my lungs than unregulated chinese liquid. Especially after seeing that cart picture earlier in the thread.
Thanks again
Wasn't throwing stones, I'm just assuming from what I read on their front page. Read the entire thing. There was a section that dealt with the safety of the material, in which they said they hadn't produced it with anything other than research in mind. The controls weren't there for human consumption. The gist of the statement was, this might be safe, it might not. We haven't tested for that, and it wasn't intended to be used that way.
Not sure if any of it's "safe". I'd think something like the TW liquid, being manufactured specifically for the purpose of vaping.... Their controls are going to be geared more towards human safety...and the product will be made for vaping.
Something being made for college science lab experiments may not be as safe to be guzzling down.
Jus' sayin.
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