Diketones will destroy vaping before they destroys your lungs

[Pinggolfer]

I just skimmed through some of this thread, it has gone on for quite some time, so I'm sure things have changed but now I'm wondering, what kind of e-juice should I be buying? Brand? PG/VG mix? Ones to avoid? Flavors?

This is all new to me for the most part, especially e-juice mixes, blends etc.

If you just quit smoking vape whatever keeps you off cigarettes.

 

[Jman8]

When people call me a fearmonger, they are perfectly correct and I have no shame about that. There is a time and a place to be afraid and to warn others about the danger, if you care about others that is. The prospect of having your lungs obliterated? That's a damn good reason to be afraid, so consider me afraid for thousands of unsuspecting, and even suspecting but careless, vapers.
The thing is, with something like this people won't have a second chance. They won't get to decide to vape safer juice or to make an effort to quit, because their lungs are already thrashed beyond repair.

It's refreshing to have you admit to fear mongering.

It's horrible for you to insinuate that those who are not at your level of concern may not care about others.

The prospect of this issue is literally the only thing you have reason to be concerned about. Given that the inhalation of these compounds has been occurring for 5+ years and there is zero incidences that anyone in this thread can point to with vapers, PLUS (or rather moreover) the fact that these compounds were inhaled for decades by anyone who is long term smoker, really doesn't bode well for your level of concern.

They will wonder in amazement how this could have happened to them while using what was supposed to be a safer alternative to smoking. They will suddenly realize, as the reality of their situation sinks deep and heavy into their gut, that all of those people who were a part of vape culture didn't really give a damn about them. They weren't really their friend like they thought, because some of those people knew what could happen to them if they vape dikteones and they didn't SCREAM it into their face to STOP, like a parent would do, like a brother or sister would do, like a husband or wife would do.
Nope, instead, the message might have been whispered to them by some, for the sake of liability, but the message wasn't impactful enough. It was thought to be only a far off possibility that probably would never happen to them. But instead, there they sit on the doctor's table, in shock and disbelief at the news that their lungs will never work correctly again, and they are still so young.

It's an interesting narrative. Strikes me as the type of thing an ANTZ would say. I can see the ad now running on a TV or computer device near you. Their logic will be don't start, or if you are doing it now, why would you continue? So, I ask again, if there is this great of a risk on the market, why would you continue to be a part of it? You think if us 40 vapers were in same mindset as you that we'd change the industry? And if we had that sort of power, who's to say more shouldn't be done. I heard nicotine is a toxin and not all vapers need it, so if we have this kind of power, maybe we can get rid of that ingredient as well, so we are that much more safe in what we inhale. Sure some vapers want it in there, but we who know better and can readily point to perceived problems with nicotine will have the power to eradicate from all supply. Why wouldn't we do this if we (ahem, cough cough) care about our fellow vapers?

I was just thinking this morning of alternative narrative. What if 30 years from now there is between zero and very very few cases of permanent lung damage to vapers? What then? Will they then have to say inhaling diketones are nowhere near as harmful as we once thought? There's really no flip side to the fear mongering position because 30 years from now if nothing substantial comes about, it will be a non issue.

So at the level of fear mongering, I think this fear needs to be dealt with head on. You need to be very clear on why you are still vaping if you are this concerned about it. A fellow vaper might understand the desire to continue despite the perceived great risk, but I'm fairly certain a non-vaper will think you are out of your mind to continue if you have this amount of fear. So answer that question, and I may have a few others that strike me as pertinent to a discussion where fear mongering is not being hidden or downplayed.

 

[David Wolf]

If you have any concern for your health, you will vape unflavoured liquid, and have a plan to quit vaping entirely.

Actually that's what you do if you're overconcerned

 

[sparkky1]

Exactly and that's why the FDA will be bought once again when BT takes over the e liquid industry.

Naa that's not gonna happen, the state senators are seeing to many dollars signs and already chomping at the bits.I can't imagine how much juice will be in your state and jersey, still run by al capone ? E-Cigarette Tax Bill Update | CSPnet

 

[ThroatPunch]

Nice, thanks guys, good to know... The potential chemicals found in these e-liquids and e-jucies are also found in regular cigarettes too right? Higher amounts? Lower? Unknown?

 

[Pinggolfer]

Naa that's not gonna happen, the state senators are seeing to many dollars signs and already chomping at the bits.I can't imagine how much juice will be in your state and jersey, still run by al capone ? E-Cigarette Tax Bill Update | CSPnet

Capone ran Chicago, Lucky Luciano
controlled NYC.

 

[sparkky1]

Nice, thanks guys, good to know... The potential chemicals found in these e-liquids and e-jucies are also found in regular cigarettes too right? Higher amounts? Lower? Unknown?

Look @ post 242

 

[sparkky1]

Run your cursor on the red and click to open........

 

[Moonbogg]

Nice, thanks guys, good to know... The potential chemicals found in these e-liquids and e-jucies are also found in regular cigarettes too right? Higher amounts? Lower? Unknown?

Levels of these compounds vary widely in e-liquids. Some are lower than cigarettes, others are much higher. Keep in mind the volume you consume will compound the risk to make it even greater. Sub ohm tanks and blowing huge clouds will give you a big dose of the stuff.
Don't listen to the people who say stuff like, "If you are so concerned, just vape unflavored or don't vape at all". Those people are just bitter because their favorite vendor has diketone levels that are through the stratosphere.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Ahhh...personal attacks to further the cause.

It is funny how people who are concerned about one flavor component, have no concern over the thousands that are used that have had NO studies done for possible effects from inhalation.

 

[sparkky1]

Levels of these compounds vary widely in e-liquids. Some are lower than cigarettes, others are much higher. Keep in mind the volume you consume will compound the risk to make it even greater. Sub ohm tanks and blowing huge clouds will give you a big dose of the stuff.
Don't listen to the people who say stuff like, "If you are so concerned, just vape unflavored or don't vape at all". Those people are just bitter because their favorite vendor has diketone levels that are through the stratosphere.

Sub ohm tanks and blowing huge clouds will give you a big dose of the stuff ?.Show me were the analysis are for that I'de really like to know more about it, how did you come to conclude "big dose" ?

 

[Moonbogg]

Ahhh...personal attacks to further the cause.

It is funny how people who are concerned about one flavor component, have no concern over the thousands that are used that have had NO studies done for possible effects from inhalation.

I'm not attacking anyone here. I am telling the truth that I see. The people that are defending diketones so strongly are usually people with nicoticket banners in their sig or otherwise people who just love to vape diketones and they seem to thinks its somehow just no big deal. They seem to think that somehow the AP won't hurt you. Some magical how...

Also, I have now been compared to ANTZ. That's right, I'm an ANTZ-like person who loves vaping. Interesting.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I'm not attacking anyone here. I am telling the truth that I see. The people that are defending diketones so strongly are usually people with nicoticket banners in their sig or otherwise people who just love to vape diketones and they seem to thinks its somehow just no big deal. They seem to think that somehow the AP won't hurt you. Some magical how...

To repeat: It is funny how people who are concerned about one flavor component, have no concern over the thousands that are used that have had NO studies done for possible effects from inhalation.

 

[sparkky1]

Ahhh...personal attacks to further the cause.

It is funny how people who are concerned about one flavor component, have no concern over the thousands that are used that have had NO studies done for possible effects from inhalation.

I think he actually thought you were serious in your last post........
I love it though, now if you sub ohm the "risk" becomes compounded so it maybe 25 watts but definitely don't go above 30 but your good with a 1.8 ohm kanger T2 @ 9 watts no compounding there.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I think he actually thought you were serious in your last post........
I love it though, now if you sub ohm the "risk" becomes compounded so it maybe 25 watts but definitely don't go above 30 but your good with a 1.8 ohm kanger T2 @ 9 watts no compounding there.

To quote a favorite movie: "With all due respect, this thread is worth about as much as a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on."

 

[Sasha19_81]

I was seriosly injured and lost half a lung directly conected to my vaping of high vg liquids..

I was riding on my motorcycle when i hit a bump, and my hana with a igo-L driper, jumped out of my pocket along with my 50ml bottle of vanila custard 100vg juice.. i managed to grab the hanna but the bottle flew away.. as i was turning with longing in my eyes to see where my liquid vent i hit the curb and fell, i broke 3 ribs and my left lung colapsed..

"So yea.. 100%vg vanila custard can result in serious damage to your lungs!!"



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[skoony]

Levels of these compounds vary widely in e-liquids. Some are lower than cigarettes, others are much higher. Keep in mind the volume you consume will compound the risk to make it even greater. Sub ohm tanks and blowing huge clouds will give you a big dose of the stuff.
Don't listen to the people who say stuff like, "If you are so concerned, just vape unflavored or don't vape at all". Those people are just bitter because their favorite vendor has diketone levels that are through the stratosphere.

doesn´t it seem odd though it's not the vendors own testing
showing such outrageously high counts but the competitors
test of their products.
regards
mike

 

[Woofer]

And then there was this...
Public Health England's endorsement of vaping is International "game changer" | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[sparkky1]

I was seriosly injured and lost half a lung directly conected to my vaping of high vg liquids..

I was riding on my motorcycle when i hit a bump, and my hana with a igo-L driper, jumped out of my pocket along with my 50ml bottle of vanila custard 100vg juice.. i managed to grab the hanna but the bottle flew away.. as i was turning with longing in my eyes to see where my liquid vent i hit the curb and fell, i broke 3 ribs and my left lung colapsed..

"So yea.. 100%vg vanila custard can result in serious damage to your lungs!!"



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That's what I call compounded, I hope your doing better !

 

[Sasha19_81]

Oh hell yea that was 2 years ago.. happily vaping away, just now im using only 90%vg.. dont want the same mistake happening twice..

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