For a Non e-Cigarette website, that Article is actually pretty Balanced.
And Relative Devoid of the Rhetoric usually seen in Small Market Media Outlets.
Diketones will destroy vaping before they destroys your lungs
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For a Non e-Cigarette website, that Article is actually pretty Balanced.
And Relative Devoid of the Rhetoric usually seen in Small Market Media Outlets.
Yeah it wasn't bad at all. I didn't catch any unfair or bad vibe from it either. I'm glad they are presenting the risk to the reader without coming across as simply hating e-cigs.
I don't really understand what it is your trying to say .............
I would have like to have seen them provide Links whenever they referenced a Study or Quoted an Individual.
But not doing so has become the Norm in our Sound Bight world.
Just asked my fiance (a chemist about halfway through her PHD) "are diketones bad for you?" She said it really depends on what ketone it is. There are many MANY different types, and are found in countless products.
Another note - the above article lost me with the title, "Nicotine isn't the only hazard..." Nicotine isn't a hazard unless ingested in very large quantities, as has been discussed here endlessly. It's actually shown great positive uses in the medical field as of late. That in and of itself discredits the article to at least some degree.
Another note - the above article lost me with the title, "Nicotine isn't the only hazard..." Nicotine isn't a hazard unless ingested in very large quantities, as has been discussed here endlessly. It's actually shown great positive uses in the medical field as of late. That in and of itself discredits the article to at least some degree.
You might ask you Fiancé if she has seen this Presentation?
The speaker is Dr. Ann Hubbs of NIOSH
BTW - The 2 Diketones that Most people are Talking about are...
Diacetyl
and
2,3-Pentanedione (Acetyl Propionyl)
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Yes, that's why companies like Halo never used it. They believed it to be an issue of concern from the day they started making e-liquid. Other companies couldn't figure out how to make good e-liquid without DA/AP...
Here's whats in your "safe" to inhale magical halo tobacco : Flavour chemicals in electronic cigarette fluids -- Tierney et al. -- Tobacco Control
I don't see a link from NIOSH or a researcher saying all flavors pose the same risk as do DA/AP. It's called harm reduction, not avoidance. Not smoking and not vaping liquids from amateur juice makers who rely on DA/AP is harm reduction...
Unacceptable risk? It hasn't proven to be a risk when suspended and dispersed
in a viscous liquid only in pure concentrated form found in factory environments.
Regards
Mike
Unacceptable risk? It hasn't proven to be a risk when suspended and dispersed
in a viscous liquid only in pure concentrated form found in factory environments.
Regards
Mike
i think i will take Dr. Farsalinos word over yours.
or are we to believe that you are more knowledgeable on the subject?
Actually, that is not entirely true. Nicotine doesn't have a positive effect on everything. ONly some things. It will not be good for PAD (peripheral artery disease in legs for instance), Raynaud's, any kind of venous insufficiency (your ankles swell after sitting a long time, etc.) and a few other things that people get when they are over 50.
I think we have to be careful not to make sweeping statements. Vaping has always been harm reduction, not harm free.
It is true that in order to increase the harm reduction part, there are a number of things vapers can do, and this has been discussed ad nauseum across hundreds of topics. (avoid certain chemicals in eliquid and also dyes, food colorings, etc. ), try not to vape 30ml+ per day (try to put as little extra "stuff" into your already-damaged-from-smoking lungs), try to avoid over-flavoring, try to avoid burnt hits, fake sweetners, etc.
What I've noticed is that there is a balancing act between being in total denial (wanting too desperately to have vaping be the "magic bullet" when it really isn't, it is only harm reduction and better than smoking) ------- I think those who refuse to recognize that that harm reduction doesn't mean harm free are wanting more than can be offered.
sometimes, the defense of vaping borders on the ridiculous, because some of the things I just mentioned are pretty much "common sense".......and many vapers are already incorporating a form of "less is more" into their vaping behavior.
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You're right, nicotine isn't necessarily GOOD for everyone/everything. But in and of itself it's really not that harmful, about on par with caffeine. As I understand it, even the constricted blood flow you get from smoking is due *primarily* to the other additives in cigarettes, not the nicotine itself. Wasn't there a fairly recent study done that concluded that the nicotine in vapes had little or no effect on heart rate and blood pressure, as compared with the sharp spike seen after smoking a stinky?
Yeah, I've been diluting my e-liquid lately with Fusion- Halo's base and vaping more straight Fusion lately, and only vape a moderate amount...
Dr. Farsalinos based his conclusions on what NIOSH,the CDC and the FDA's found
when using pure concentrates AP in factory environments. To my knowledge
he has not studied AP or DP suspended and dispersed in PG and or VG for toxic
effects. No one has. As of yet no otherwise healthy individual can be said to
have been harmed by vaping other than when the technology is abused.
You don't have to take my word on anything. You are free to believe what you
choose to believe. However that does not justify using your beliefs to dictate
what others should think and "do" on behalf of your beliefs. I put the do in italics
because as of now there is no reason to be doing anything but what ones own
conscious dictates one to do. You may have noticed you haven't seen me posting
in the diketone free vendors thread. There's a reason for that.
Regards
Mike
How does one know vapers aren't suffering lung damage from vaping? It would be silly to think a former smoker who vapes who is diagnosed with COPD would think, or their doctor would think, it is vaping which caused the lung damage, not years of smoking...
Every time someone on here posts about respiratory issues it is dismissed as a side effect of quitting smoking...
Every time someone on here posts about respiratory issues it is dismissed as a side effect of quitting smoking...
Yeah those Two seem to be on Many People's minds recently.
BTW - Make sure when you ask that it is Clear were talking about Habitual Inhalation. And not Ingestion. Because most consider Ingestion of these Chemicals to be GRAS under Normal Dietary conditions.
BTW2 - Did your Fiancé use an e-Cigarette to Quit Smoking?
Really, I have no desire to continue to debate chemistry, biology, toxicology, etc. with laypersons on an internet forum.
I've been working with an immunologist, allergist, internist in a large university teaching hospital, so I know exactly what vaping has ----and hasn't----- done to my particular body.
(And if I decided to discuss, I'm sure it would turn into a *debate*.) Eventually, I'll just put all of it together in a packet and share w/someone I trust, like Dr. F. perhaps, who will use the information judiciously and neither to "advance" or "dis-advance" any kind of agenda.
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