ANTS-Agents for Nonconforming Truth and common Sense...
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ANTS-Agents for Nonconforming Truth and common Sense...
Yes. Thus the title of this thread. Although I'm not sure which will come first. Lung damage or the ban hammer.
Someone I know, who is a Little Late in the Game when it comes to Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl, sent me this Video late last Night.
And wanted to know if I had Seen It?
LOL
BTW - That is Dr. Ann Hubbs of NIOSH
Then avoid them. Its not that hard, there are plenty of vendors who offer verified diketone free ejuices. Just allow everyone else to make their own decision as well. You have no more of a right to tell people not to vape diketone laden juices than they have to tell you you have to vape them. Your rights end the moment you start to encroach on someone elses.That's a damn good video with some pretty scary info. Thanks for posting. It says way more than I ever could and far better. Seems pretty cut and dry that diketones are an unacceptable risk and should be avoided.
Then avoid them. Its not that hard, there are plenty of vendors who offer verified diketone free ejuices. Just allow everyone else to make their own decision as well. You have no more of a right to tell people not to vape diketone laden juices than they have to tell you you have to vape them. Your rights end the moment you start to encroach on someone elses.
. . .if I think even ONE person will stop vaping diketones, at least partly due to my loud mouth,
I can say whatever the hell I want and if I think even ONE person will stop vaping diketones, at least partly due to my loud mouth, then its worth it. That freedom you like to throw in my face, its what I'm rolling with right now brother.
You have no more of a right to tell people not to vape diketone laden juices
Someone I know, who is a Little Late in the Game when it comes to Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl, sent me this Video late last Night.
And wanted to know if I had Seen It?
LOL
BTW - That is Dr. Ann Hubbs of NIOSH
I fully understand paying good money for whatever a particular person considers to be tasty (and safe) juice, but ya have to be a pretty serious fanboy to pay $0.56 per ml of UNFLAVORED.Just filled up a tank of Halo's Fusion...
sorry my bad too.Do you perhaps have a link confirming that please? (honest Q) - many thx in advance.
Edit: Sorry I was being lazy: Study Finds No Link Between Secondhand Smoke And Cancer
Shocker for moi!
who's saying they are an unacceptable risk?Seems pretty cut and dry that diketones are an unacceptable risk and should be avoided.
Then avoid them. Its not that hard, there are plenty of vendors who offer verified diketone free ejuices. Just allow everyone else to make their own decision as well. You have no more of a right to tell people not to vape diketone laden juices than they have to tell you you have to vape them. Your rights end the moment you start to encroach on someone elses.
Stating your beliefs is fine.
Quoting studies is fine (although many are suspect)
Emphatically declaring that vaping diketones will destroy your lungs and therefore diketones should be removed from all eliquids IS NOT FINE. There is ZERO proof that vaping diketones causes ANY harm.
for those of us that smoked it wasn't so much the health warnings that wereBut what about the Vast Majority of People who have Never even heard of Diacetyl and or Acetyl Propionyl? Because once you Leave the Realm of Internet Forums and venture out into the Real World, Only a Very Small Percentage of Vapers have heard of Diacetyl. And of that Small Percentage, it is but a Tiny Fraction who know what Acetyl Propionyl is. And how saying that an e-Liquid is Diacetyl Free, but contains the Same Amount (or in Many Cases More) Acetyl Propionyl may be just as Bad.
I agree. I don't think Moonbogg should vape e-liquids that contain Diacetyl and or Acetyl Propionyl. Because it appears that He/She has done some Research into all this. And sees Diacetyl and or Acetyl Propionyl as an Unnecessary and Avoidable Risk.
But what about the Vast Majority of People who have Never even heard of Diacetyl and or Acetyl Propionyl? Because once you Leave the Realm of Internet Forums and venture out into the Real World, Only a Very Small Percentage of Vapers have heard of Diacetyl. And of that Small Percentage, it is but a Tiny Fraction who know what Acetyl Propionyl is. And how saying that an e-Liquid is Diacetyl Free, but contains the Same Amount (or in Many Cases More) Acetyl Propionyl may be just as Bad.
You said that People should make their Own Decisions about what they Choose to put into their Lungs. Something I agree with, People Making Informed Choices. But if a person has Never heard about Diacetyl and or Acetyl Propionyl, how can they make an Informed Choice?
Shouldn't these people have Access to Information and to Threads like this so they can make up their own Minds?
Maybe I have Thicker Skin than some here, but I don't see This Thread as infringing on Anyone Rights. Either for those who choose to Inhale Diacetyl and or Acetyl Propionyl or those who Choose Not To.