Ikr?!? Man this blows..Love that you and LeBeau posted that link but OMG..I was just getting into five pawns.
Can these results be true Mann?!?
Liquid test results - Blog - Cloud 9 Vaping
Please tell me this may be a market ploy brother!
Dimitri Goes Off on Rant About Dishonest Liquid Vendors
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Can these results be true Mann?!?
Liquid test results - Blog - Cloud 9 Vaping
Please tell me this may be a market ploy brother!
I'm really starting to wished I had NOT joined in on this thread. That's ridicules!In sweden it cost about 11.9069 US$ if not even more. I'ma see if i can find the source. We've a swedish company that's in court atm (swedish stuff...)
And they said that EACH juice flavor would cost this much to test. So basicly atleast in sweden, every company would go bankrupt due testing their juices.
Edit: Couln't find the source atm ( was on a swedish forum )
I'll continue my quest tomorrow.
However in sweden we've to check for every single compound in the juice. So yea that's the pricetag. And that's PER juice.
I'm of the same mindset,..but I also remember the stink that was around with another supplier about diacetyl in their eliquids.
For the most part she denied it though. I think they would have caught hell anyway as they were the first I had heard of it.
You appear not to understand what is going on, Lessifer. I can't like or dislike what they are doing IF I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS and also if I am lied to about it.
So that is okay with you? I guess you don't think the nic level written on the bottle needs to be accurate either?
Not only high AP and diketone levels, but INACCURATE nicotone levels (nicotine is not what is stated on the bottle.) ????
Sheesh. The latter bothers me a great deal......shades of box elder anyone? I am very particular about the nic levels I vape, having worked very hard to reduce my mg. over time.
Plus, I introduce newbies to vaping, some of them smoke ultra-lights.....the nic level has to be pretty low for them or they get nauseous and dizzy and IMMEDIATELY turned off to vaping.
Oh wait til Stevegmu see this........I think he is in Czech now as he said he was going in one of his posts, so he probably won't see this.Ahem, did someone say Czech mate...
OK, now back to our normal...
Please tell me this may be a market ploy brother!
Yes, my favorite "new lying" examples are eliquid companies who, when caught in a lie, say that the test results are inaccurate, were done to them to kill their business or {insert other excuse here}.
Cloud 9 carries these eliquid products and has no reason to sink anyone. (Similar to Vaporshark). As a matter of fact, it affects their bottom line. When they have to turn down orders for ejuices they carry.
But they obviously do not want to be liable for incorrect nicotine levels in products they are selling.......and I sure do not blame them!
@Racehorse I do understand what is going on. IF this is something that bothers you, you should seek out vendors who say their stuff is diketone free, and have verified it with independent lab results.
If they say it is d-free and don't back it up, don't buy.
If they say it is d-free and they are proven to be lying about it, sue them.
I personally don't care much about the topic, I do a little, but not much. Once there is a verified risk, in our application, I may care more. I don't see the need for industry wide regulations to accommodate the wishes of some vapers. As for nicotine levels, that's more of a concern to me, though I'm willing to accept a 10% discrepancy, I didn't see how far the results were off from what they were supposed to be.
If they say it is d-free and don't back it up, don't buy.
If they say it is d-free and they are proven to be lying about it, sue them.
I personally don't care much about the topic, I do a little, but not much. Once there is a verified risk, in our application, I may care more. I don't see the need for industry wide regulations to accommodate the wishes of some vapers. As for nicotine levels, that's more of a concern to me, though I'm willing to accept a 10% discrepancy, I didn't see how far the results were off from what they were supposed to be.
Plus, I introduce newbies to vaping, some of them smoke ultra-lights.....the nic level has to be pretty low for them or they get nauseous and dizzy and IMMEDIATELY turned off to vaping.
Yeah, some 18mg and then 12mg almost cured me of my interest in vaping completely. But I had already invested $40 in the eRoll, so I persevered to 6mg, and finally could stand it. To me, nausea is a Fate Worse Than Death.
Andria
It's nice that we can have these discussions though, if you want to see what the future of vaping looks like, check out the vuse and mark ten, neither of which lists any of their ingredients, pg/vg ratio, or nic strength.
And AGAIN, this is not what this topic is about.
But you will keep inserting these "fear factor" response, just for good measure, even though it muddies the conversation. But you obviously think *pressing these buttons* will cause some people to *react*.
With or without regulation, what this topic is about is actually being able to purchase a product, whether from Big Tobacco, or an eliquid maker, where the customer can actually KNOW WHAT THEY ARE PURCHASING..........and without being lied to.
That is what Big Tobacco already did to us, some of us are not planning on being in that place again.
Was Dimitri saying we need to call in the regulators? No. Was anyone else? No. But you seem bound and determined to make this topic ABOUT THAT, even though it's not about that.
Pretty good, but he doesn't seem to understand much about WTA. Yeah it might have those chemicals he mentioned..,. but it's STILL safer than smoking, and considering how it vanishes cravings to smoke... worth it! But yes it's very expensive, no vendor is going to just "throw it in."
Andria
Thank you for posting this.
I'm going to request those lab certificates, and bring them into Five Pawns.
I go there (well, used to go there) once a month to pick up a custom sample pack.
I'm not sure what you think my motives are. I actually agree with you. You should be able to find liquid that meets your requirements without being lied to. As I said, if some manufacturer says "our liquids are diketone free" and someone finds out they are lying, they should be held accountable, which in America usually means they need to be sued.And AGAIN, this is not what this topic is about.
But you will keep inserting these "fear factor" response, just for good measure, even though it muddies the conversation. But you obviously think *pressing these buttons* will cause some people to *react*.
With or without regulation, what this topic is about is actually being able to purchase a product, whether from Big Tobacco, or an eliquid maker, where the customer can actually KNOW WHAT THEY ARE PURCHASING..........and without being lied to.
That is what Big Tobacco already did to us, some of us are not planning on being in that place again.
Was Dimitri saying we need to call in the regulators? No. Was anyone else? No. But you seem bound and determined to make this topic ABOUT THAT, even though it's not about that.
ETA: What I don't agree with is requiring that all manufacturers test for everything that someone thinks "might be of concern."
These posts were flying by fast,..and I missed your's and Maz's...I respect both of your opinions and nope,..doesn't look good for the industry at all imo.$120 per? Isn't that the price of 5Pawns new eliquid that's 2-years-steeped and seasoned with flakes of gold leaf?It's never about the money it costs to do the right thing (if we choose to see it as that), it's only ever about the willingness to do something about it. The issue has always been that if you tell your customers one thing and it proves to be the other (and you knew so), you suck! But if you just came out an said what it was from jumpstreet (but stopping short of "working" your customers) then I got no real beef with anyone. If they even never commented on it, then there is no real issue. But if this is true, can anyone with a straight-face actually convince themselves that 5P was unaware of it? Aware and never having cared is one thing. Aware and lying about it is, well..
This is going to be interesting. Not good, but it's going to be interesting! I don't know how true any of this is, but I will go get my popcorn and try not to vape it.
Kudos brother..and didn't mean to leave you out..I first saw this posted on the Ahlusion LLC Chat Thread.
Posted for S&G hon..Yes you are right..I've vaped WTA and know you have used it as well. One thing for sure is the FDA will take WTA and categorize it..Maybe put in in a special place..Maybe even a schedule 3 narcotic?!? I joke,..I joke..lol
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