Disgusting Treatment of Member!!!

[haleysdadda]

It is a shame because there was no personal gain on Roxy's behalf at all, Zero.

She is retired and was happy to be involved in some thing she felt was important and quite frankly pretty cool. Her knowledge of rta's help build a good and unique tank. She was friggin excited and share that excitement here and without question got dismissed for all the wrong reasons.

Pretty sad that it's come to this on a site I respected. I've been a supporting member pretty much since I joined and while my donation is small I can't financially support the site moving forward.

That is exactly why I cancelled my PayPal auto payments & asked to have my status banner removed! I had to do this because I no longer support the decisions of the admins! Doing this cost me the priveleges of a supporting member & I only started in Nov. & basically cost me almost a year of subscription! The money means nothing to me because my pride & character are worth more to me than money! One thing I want to make extremely clear; I hold nothing against any of the admins personally! What I do have is a problem with their "ACTIONS" in the 2 most recent actions against senior members! IMHO these were heavy handed & wrong!

To make sure that credit is given were credit is due, I would like thank @Robino1 & @classwife for their help in taking care of my transition!

 

[edyle]

Sounds like something is wrong with the rules.

Which rule exactly, I don't know.

 

[Gfdeputy2]

Just cancelled my PayPal auto payments too

 

[Tol]

This is really just sad. Roxy is a wealth of knowledge and support for so many members here and didn't ask for anything in return. She spent her time on here chatting, advising, suggesting and teaching. She did this because she wanted to. She did it because she is passionate about vaping and likes to spread that passion to others.

She won't be coming back to this forum, which is a shame. This place needs more people like here around, not less.
I cannot find any way to defend ECF or make sense of the actions taken here. Some very hasty decisions were made and now it's a bit too late to save face.

 

[Scy123]

I'd cancel mines if I had one too. I do not agree with these actions. Helping design something does not make you a supplier.

 

[Rossum]

Sounds like something is wrong with the rules.
Which rule exactly, I don't know.

IMO, the rules themselves aren't really aren't the problem; it's more the manner in which they are enforced. To make an analogy, there are valid reasons to have laws against jaywalking, but in most places they don't throw you in jail for violating them either.

 

[Simply Red]

Hey! Admins! Are y'all reading this thread?? You have a lot of ticked off people here! Care to shed a little light on the reasoning behind the madness? I went to the search bar and typed "Roxynoodle". Everything that popped up were people thanking her for things that she has done, basically helping the community and people with other problems. What rule, exactly, did she break?? We'd all like to know.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Just cancelled my PayPal auto payments too

+1. I love this place, but I've come to the realization that it is conditional.

 

[MMW]

 

[dshuld]

It is in deed sad. In all the time I spent as a lurker without an account nearly everything I researched she had been involved in the thread for. To see her on v u now almost seems sacrilege but at least they aren't flagging her as a supplier when shes not. We've lost a good friend and wealth of vape knowledge over this .

 

[minimalsaint]

Oh, so you developed a new flaming thingy and now you're posting pictures and pimping it here?
Banned.

 

[edyle]

IMO, the rules themselves aren't really aren't the problem; it's more the manner in which they are enforced. To make an analogy, there are valid reasons to have laws against jaywalking, but in most places they don't throw you in jail for violating them either.

That's how usually end up getting amended to ensure they are not enforced badly in the future.

The question still remains: what rule is at issue here?

So far all I can figure out is it seems to be something to do with Supplier rules - and specifically, something to do with requiring somebody to pay to post on ecf; which sounds weird.

 

[MMW]

Oh, so you developed a new flaming thingy and now you're posting pictures and pimping it here?
Banned.

I have a YouTube channel if you want to subscribe.

 

[Oliver]

OK, thanks for everyone's input. I'm looking closely at this and discussing with admins. I'd please ask everyone to understand that our admins don't comment specifically on why these decisions are made, and that they're not arbitrary decisions.

Separating the commercial interests from the user-community is something we do really well (and have done consistently for many years), and hours of time and energy have gone into creating the foundations by which we do it.

We do this not to be difficult, but solely because it does actually protect the ECF community from being manipulated. Trust me when I say that lots of attempts have been made over the years to get in under the radar.

Now, I'm not saying that's what's happened in this case, but that's the backdrop to the current situation. The money that suppliers pay to register ($50/year) pays for our full-time suppliers administrator (it's her job!!) to help steward suppliers, and this is done SOLELY to protect the membership.

TL;DR - I'm looking at this, and we'll get it sorted fairly.

 

[Hitcat44]

Noticed all the Avatars and changes to Sig Lines and figured such Equine Defecation had been perpetrated by some Common-Sense "challenged" Kommissar(s).... Glad and give thanks for this Thread and all previous Posts so the true "Rest of the Story" could and has been told.
Incredible, Asinine, Regrettable, Ridiculous, Disgusting, and an abject Affront to the supposed Mission & Purpose of this Community & their "Leaders"

That being said, Principle dictates I also give a Kudo (oh, it does pain me deeply but being an honorable Person ain't always easy) to ECF for not Locking-down and/or making this Thread go POOF.
Now, since you've already somewhat sat down to your much-deserved Crow, why not go on and gobble it down like Big Boyz & Girlz and rectify your (etal) grave mistake?
You can do it. IF,,, You All choose to be completely Honorable that is. We shall see I suppose

Anyways, here's to Roxy
I had the distinct pleasure of receiving much from her Knowledge, Experience, Wisdom, and mostly her Selflessness and Kindness. From both reading her amazing Contributions to us all and from PM and other Conversations. I count all that as well as her individually as a valued Blessing.

All the best to ya Lady & BIG Salute from Ft. Vape (where the Flags fly at half-Staff for the shameful senseless loss of the Fallen)
NEVER truly Goodbye,,, simply Till we meet AGAIN

 

[LouisLeBeau]

OK, thanks for everyone's input. I'm looking closely at this and discussing with admins. I'd please ask everyone to understand that our admins don't comment specifically on why these decisions are made, and that they're not arbitrary decisions.

Separating the commercial interests from the user-community is something we do really well (and have done consistently for many years), and hours of time and energy have gone into creating the foundations by which we do it.

We do this not to be difficult, but solely because it does actually protect the ECF community from being manipulated. Trust me when I say that lots of attempts have been made over the years to get in under the radar.

Now, I'm not saying that's what's happened in this case, but that's the backdrop to the current situation. The money that suppliers pay to register ($50/year) pays for our full-time suppliers administrator (it's her job!!) to help steward suppliers, and this is done SOLELY to protect the membership.

TL;DR - I'm looking at this, and we'll get it sorted fairly.

THANK you, SJ. What you say is certainly true. A well known reviewer created and sold a total POS genesis using the resources here to promote it, and I was a victim of the manipulation. So I DO understand WHY ECF feels the need to be diligent.

As a frequent member of the welcoming committee in the New Members forum, I DO see how often the breaching of the walls are attempted, and so concede that there does need to be some kind of control, some mechanism to prevent unabated shilling.

I think a lot of the angst however, even aside from the great loss that is Roxy's banning, is the result of a feeling that bad moderation is so above reproach here, that even the slightest disagreement with a major decision like this, puts one on a secret list of heads to be rolled. I think we can all agree that we like order, and want to be protected, but not at the cost of a police state environment.

 

[ThunderDan]

Hey! Admins! Are y'all reading this thread?? You have a lot of ticked off people here! Care to shed a little light on the reasoning behind the madness? I went to the search bar and typed "Roxynoodle". Everything that popped up were people thanking her for things that she has done, basically helping the community and people with other problems. What rule, exactly, did she break?? We'd all like to know.

She didn't break any rules, so they made up a new rule after the fact.

 

[MMW]

Noticed all the Avatars and changes to Sig Lines and figured such Equine Defecation had been perpetrated by some Common-Sense "challenged" Kommissar(s).... Glad and give thanks for this Thread and all previous Posts so the true "Rest of the Story" could and has been told.
Incredible, Asinine, Regrettable, Ridiculous, Disgusting, and an abject Affront to the supposed Mission & Purpose of this Community & their "Leaders"

That being said, Principle dictates I also give a Kudo (oh, it does pain me deeply but being an honorable Person ain't always easy) to ECF for not Locking-down and/or making this Thread go POOF.
Now, since you've already somewhat sat down to your much-deserved Crow, why not go on and gobble it down like Big Boyz & Girlz and rectify your (etal) grave mistake?
You can do it. IF,,, You All choose to be completely Honorable that is. We shall see I suppose

Anyways, here's to Roxy
I had the distinct pleasure of receiving much from her Knowledge, Experience, Wisdom, and mostly her Selflessness and Kindness. From both reading her amazing Contributions to us all and from PM and other Conversations. I count all that as well as her individually as a valued Blessing.

All the best to ya Lady & BIG Salute from Ft. Vape (where the Flags fly at half-Staff for the shameful senseless loss of the Fallen)
NEVER truly Goodbye,,, simply Till we meet AGAIN

Well said.

 

[Rule62]

I've been vaping for a little over 5 years. I doubt that there are many vapers in that amount of time who haven't contributed, in some way, to development or improvement of a product; whether it's sharing DIY recipes, modifying devices, or whatever. I know I have. I remember when we were making carto tanks out of 30ml syringe tubes, and clear tanks for DIDalikes out of 10ml syringe tubes. It was ECF forum members who were largely involved in the various iterations of CE2s, back in the day. Lots of us have received prototypes of products, and have given feedback.
If I were ECF, I'd be taking a good hard look at the 'supplier' and 'vendor' rules; because this stuff with Roxy looks like nothing more than extortion.

 

[Tol]

TL;DR - I'm looking at this, and we'll get it sorted fairly.

That is great and all, but the damage is already done with this one. Roxy is not going to come back and a lot of folks now have some pretty negative feelings towards ECF.
Maybe a lesson for the future is to moderate any offending threads or posts until you have talked with the member and sorted things out, instead of banning.
I appreciate that you are trying to protect ECF in all this, but I think the reaction to this was bit hasty.