DIY Flavoring Thread - Part 2

[Kurt]

NF phoned me and connected me to their chief chemist and then after that the CEO of the company spoke to me for a very long time.

In a nutshell, the residue was caused by me pouring the flavoring into an el-cheapo plastic cup. He said it wouldnt happen if it was a really good plastic, but that it will happen to the super cheap plastics like my cup was made with. He said it also happens to people who use a cheap plastic blender to make fruit drinks with their flavors, it etches a white coating into the plastic and if left long enough will crack the plastic. It is why they use only glass for their flavorings, never plastic.

Then I spoke to the CEO of the company. He asked me why I wanted to evaporate the alcohol out of the flavoring and then asked "are you using it for vaping". I told him yes but that I know his company doesnt want their flavorings used for vaping. What he said next was a surprise .. he said that they are the #1 supplier of flavorings to the ecig community, that most of the companies who make eliquids buy their flavorings and that, in about 3 days, NF is launching their own website which will be selling their flavorings specifically for the ecig community .. the website will be NewportFlavors.com and it will be open in about 3 days.

He then asked me how I make my DIY liquid and said, for the healthiest vape for my lungs I should only use 100% natural flavorings instead of putting other flavorings into my lungs that are made from synthetics.

As a child his grandfather smoked pipes .. and he grew up watching and smelling his grandfather cleaning his pipes every night. It is what got him interested in flavorings at the young age of 4. To this day he can remember the smell of each of his grandfather's pipe tobaccos. The ecig flavoring website that he is launching in 3 days will have all the fruit and sweet and bakery flavorings but will also have pipe and cigar flavorings.

But what about the pyrex container? Didn't it do the same to it?

So it is not gum arabic? I am truly confused now, but I am ready to stand corrected! I am glad he supports vaping, and will look forward to this new site. I am dubious about his "natural" vs "synthetic" claim however, but that depends on how he is making flavors, what exactly is in them, and how he defines these terms. For example, "natural" banana flavor is isoamyl acetate, and is virtually 100% synthesized, but it is the same compound as in bananas, and so can be called "natural".

 

[stashbldr]

But what about the pyrex container? Didn't it do the same to it?

So it is not gum arabic? I am truly confused now, but I am ready to stand corrected! I am glad he supports vaping, and will look forward to this new site. I am dubious about his "natural" vs "synthetic" claim however, but that depends on how he is making flavors, what exactly is in them, and how he defines these terms. For example, "natural" banana flavor is isoamyl acetate, and is virtually 100% synthesized, but it is the same compound as in bananas, and so can be called "natural".

I am not a chemist and dont understand all the lingo .. but he said his flavorings are made from the natural product itself .. the fruits, the vegetables etc etc. He also said they are safe for vaping and that evaporating the alcohol off is OK to do. He said the best way is to put it into a glass cup or container and leave it in warm (not super hot) water) exposed to the air for 20-30 mins.

 

[Jimi D.]

I hope NF makes tobacco flavors. I want some natural pipe !

 

[stashbldr]

I hope NF makes tobacco flavors. I want some natural pipe !

Pipe flavors is what got the CEO into this, he said from the age of 4 he has been mesmerized by the flavors from his grandfather's pipe. He is VERY excited about his pipe flavorings. I specifically told him about you Jimi, that you and many others have been searching for great, natural pipe flavors.

 

[stashbldr]

also .. he personally is a cigar smoker .. so has developed cigar flavors too.

 

[Jimi D.]

Aww that was very sweet of you Madam. I'll be ordering in 3 days then. I'm tickled on trying some new tobaccos !

 

[stashbldr]

But what about the pyrex container? Didn't it do the same to it? So it is not gum arabic?

It did coat my pyrex but that washed right off immediately. As for the gum arabic, duh I forgot to ask him about that. He gave me his personal email address, so I can certainly ask him.

 

[stashbldr]

Aww that was very sweet of you Madam. I'll be ordering in 3 days then. I'm tickled on trying some new tobaccos !

I have never vaped pipe or cigar flavors Jimi .. because I have been waiting for you to find one that is great LOL. I'm hoping maybe now you will find the perfect one and then I can ride your coattails to perfection without having to have done all the searching that you and others have been doing for so long.

I also told him one of the complaints people have had is NF's very high shipping prices, he said they have addressed that and when the website opens and you order, to select USPS shipping and that will cost $5.

 

[Jimi D.]

I have never vaped pipe or cigar flavors Jimi .. because I have been waiting for you to find one that is great LOL. I'm hoping maybe now you will find the perfect one and then I can ride your coattails to perfection without having to have done all the searching that you and others have been doing for so long.

I also told him one of the complaints people have had is NF's very high shipping prices, he said they have addressed that and when the website opens and you order, to select USPS shipping and that will cost $5.

I sure hope they are closer to the real thing. Rich and robust is what I'm searching for. If he smokes cigars, and has replicated them. I truly believe we are in for a treat.

 

[Sdh]

Wow! I am interested in some natural pipe/cigar flavorings. I hope they offer small sizes because I am sure the shelf life is not long with natural/organic flavors.

 

[Shilo]

Can't way to see the new site and offerings

 

[stashbldr]

Wow! I am interested in some natural pipe/cigar flavorings. I hope they offer small sizes because I am sure the shelf life is not long with natural/organic flavors.

He gave me a long technical explanation about tobacco flavorings. Honestly I didnt understand all of it, over my head. But I did understand when he said there is no such thing as a pure 100% natural tobacco flavor, that if a person only used an extract from tobacco it would be bland. He said that is why tobacco companies always added flavorings to their tobaccos. And so his tobacco's wont be truly 100% natural because he said then they would not be good. But he said, for instance if he adds a cherry flavor to one, that the cherry itself is totally natural, from cherries, not from synthetic cherries. That was just one example that I wrote down, he said many other flavors, I'm just saying that one as an example.

 

[Sdh]

He gave me a long technical explanation about tobacco flavorings. Honestly I didnt understand all of it, over my head. But I did understand when he said there is no such thing as a pure 100% natural tobacco flavor, that if a person only used an extract from tobacco it would be bland. He said that is why tobacco companies always added flavorings to their tobaccos. And so his tobacco's wont be truly 100% natural because he said then they would not be good. But he said, for instance if he adds a cherry flavor to one, that the cherry itself is totally natural, from cherries, not from synthetic cherries. That was just one example that I wrote down, he said many other flavors, I'm just saying that one as an example.

Sounds good. It will be interesting to see. I do hope they have an explanation for your glass pyrex occurrence? I won't get to happy until it is noted. Thanks for the update!

 

[stashbldr]

Sounds good. It will be interesting to see. I do hope they have an explanation for your glass pyrex occurrence? I won't get to happy until it is noted. Thanks for the update!

The flavoring was very hot, when I poured the flavoring out of the pyrex and into the plastic cup, I put the still hot but empty pyrex on the kitchen counter. The pyrex was hot, my kitchen counter is granite and was cold. The interaction of the hot and cold happening at once caused the little bit of flavoring that was on the sides and bottom of the pyrex to change to the white .. but as soon as I put water in the oyrex it went away .. unlike the plastic cup.

 

[Kurt]

The flavoring was very hot, when I poured the flavoring out of the pyrex and into the plastic cup, I put the still hot but empty pyrex on the kitchen counter. The pyrex was hot, my kitchen counter is granite and was cold. The interaction of the hot and cold happening at once caused the little bit of flavoring that was on the sides and bottom of the pyrex to change to the white .. but as soon as I put water in the oyrex it went away .. unlike the plastic cup.

Gotcha. I would be very interested in his take on gum arabic. I would also like to know how he intends to remove larger biomolecules from his safe-for-vaping food flavors. PM me and perhaps I can be part of the email conversation. I have many questions for him, but I like his spirit and intentions. I wonder what his take is on tobacco essences.

 

[stashbldr]

Gotcha. I would be very interested in his take on gum arabic. I would also like to know how he intends to remove larger biomolecules from his safe-for-vaping food flavors. PM me and perhaps I can be part of the email conversation. I have many questions for him, but I like his spirit and intentions. I wonder what his take is on tobacco essences.

He asked me to post our conversation on the internet, he welcomes questions and wants people to know about his products. He said he was tired of seeing other vendors charging $17 and up for a bottle of eliquid that he knew contained his flavoring and that his flavorings are super concentrated and you only need a little bit. He said in the beginning he and the others at NF were surprised at all the ecig companies that were ordering from NF, then he saw what they were doing with it. Then he got tired of seeing the vendors high prices and so that is why they are opening their own website to sell it directly to the ecig users.

Kurt, send an email, you can refer to me in it .. say that you are emailing reference the gal with the white etched plastic cup LOL. Go to their website and then fill out the "contact us" form with your questions. Ask, in your email, for it to be sent to the "chemist". It will get to him and then he will either call you or email you.

He's a great guy and he wants the ecig users to know about his products. He is tired of being the "silent ingredient" that so many vendors have been using in their eliquids. He is not an ex-smoker, he never smoked cigarettes and he nor any of his employees vape .. he is not an expert on vaping, he is a chemist and is committed to healthy natural ingredients, he supplies many different health food stores all over the world, with other products besides flavorings. And, what he does know is that most of the vendors have been using his flavorings for years and that he is the #1 supplier to them.

 

[salemgold]

Thanks again for taking the time to help us with this, Kurt. I will feel better about using any of their natural or organic flavorings once you are able to talk to him and clarify a few things about them.

 

[Gloria]

Ry4 double 7%
Vanilla Bourbon 2%
HC caramel 1%
Malt extract 1.5%
3 drops of AP

is

Wicked Good...

OK rla...this sounds mighty tasty....but there is no way that I'm going to gather up all of those ingredients any time soon.

I guess you'll just have to send out samples so that we can all let you know what we think?!?

 

[Gloria]

Anybody here tried the cinnamon flavor at DIY Flavor Shack? Jimi, Jewels, JJ, Shilo, Bov...anybody? Inquiring minds want to know if it's the bakery cinnamon we're looking for.

Also, I know that some of you have extracted cinnamon. Are you still using your home made cinnamon in your recipes? Just wondering if I should give that route a try.

 

[Sdh]

Thanks again for taking the time to help us with this, Kurt. I will feel better about using any of their natural or organic flavorings once you are able to talk to him and clarify a few things about them.

I echo this statement!