DIY Flavoring Thread - Part 2

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salemgold

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Well thanks for that, both of you! But the best science is peer-reviewed. Better: if Kurt says it, look into it as well, and verify it! I have been wrong on these things before, and my time to fully dig into many things here is limited. But this one, with the gum, seems straight up.

I have heard that natural and organic flavorings may not be as stable as synthetic anyway. It is a shame because the taste with some of these is great but, I am going to stick to my low % of FA and TPA just to at least feel as I am being a little safer. Nobody really knows so I am just going to have to trust my gut. And you lol :D

Thanks again for taking the time to look into this for us!
 

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All I know is it etched itself into the plastic of my measuring cup .. it didnt just coat the cup, it etched itself INTO it. And it did it in less that the 10 seconds that it was in, and out, of that cup. Anything that can do that is scarey IMO. Here's a picture of it again:

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It's a good thing you decided to evaporate the alcohol. I probably would have just mixed it and let it sit with the cap off and wouldn't have even known what it was capable of doing.

I hope that you'll send NF that photo and ask them for an explanation of what they think caused it. Maybe it would be best to not even mention vaping.
 

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It's a good thing you decided to evaporate the alcohol. I probably would have just mixed it and let it sit with the cap off and wouldn't have even known what it was capable of doing.

I hope that you'll send NF that photo and ask them for an explanation of what they think caused it. Maybe it would be best to not even mention vaping.

I would also like to hear their take on this. You just heated the flavor. No need to mention vaping.
 

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I would also like to hear their take on this. You just heated the flavor. No need to mention vaping.

True and if it had been used for coffee beans, it would have been heated. I wonder if the plastic filter on the coffee maker would have looked like that too.
 

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It is a coffee bean flavoring and does not list any gums or citric acid-I would contact NF for some sort of rationale behind the crystallization/etching of product. Something is not right. Hopefully, they can provide a reason/explanation.

Yes but, they state on their site that all of their flavorings are processed with gum arabic. There would likely be at least residue left from the process it seems to me.
 

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I would also like to hear their take on this. You just heated the flavor. No need to mention vaping.

I'll call them tomorrow and then will also send them an email with the picture .. seeing how the flavoring is suppose to go into HOT tea and coffee then heating it shouldn't do what it did.
 

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Thank you for your insight Kurt!

Stash, these are not flavors to add to hot coffee or tea, they are flavors to soak coffee beans or tea leaves in. Then you would grind the coffee beans to make our coffee with. I agree with everyone here, go to NF with your concerns and hopefully they will be able to answer what happened and refund you, or comp you in some way.

It's always possible that they bottled the wrong flavor for you, or it could be just the Butterscotch x3. Seeing what it did to your measuring cup, I wouldn't vape that bottle, but I don't want to condemn the company without knowing all the facts. I have evap'd many bottles of their flavorings over the last 2 years and never had any kind of residue left behind.
 

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Stash, these are not flavors to add to hot coffee or tea, they are flavors to soak coffee beans or tea leaves in. Then you would grind the coffee beans to make our coffee with. I agree with everyone here, go to NF with your concerns and hopefully they will be able to answer what happened and refund you, or comp you in some way.

Oh .. glad you told me how it's suppose to be used .. ha ha .. they would have told me I was nuts thinking I should just add it to a hot cup of coffee :)
 

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Thank you for your insight Kurt!

Stash, these are not flavors to add to hot coffee or tea, they are flavors to soak coffee beans or tea leaves in. Then you would grind the coffee beans to make our coffee with. I agree with everyone here, go to NF with your concerns and hopefully they will be able to answer what happened and refund you, or comp you in some way.

It's always possible that they bottled the wrong flavor for you, or it could be just the Butterscotch x3. Seeing what it did to your measuring cup, I wouldn't vape that bottle, but I don't want to condemn the company without knowing all the facts. I have evap'd many bottles of their flavorings over the last 2 years and never had any kind of residue left behind.

Yes but, after the beans are soaked and ground, the flavoring is still in there when it is put into the coffee maker to make your coffee. It was just absorbed by the beans so seems like that might still happen to me.
 

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I'll call them tomorrow and then will also send them an email with the picture .. seeing how the flavoring is suppose to go into HOT tea and coffee then heating it shouldn't do what it did.

Not quite. In coffee or tea, I think it will become too dilute to set up like that, no matter the temp. There is a minimum concentration needed to get a solid to form.
 

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Not quite. In coffee or tea, I think it will become too dilute to set up like that, no matter the temp. There is a minimum concentration needed to get a solid to form.

I wondered about that too. That 3x Butterscotch must be very concentrated to start. Cooking some or most of the alcohol off probably made it extremely concentrated.
 

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NF phoned me and connected me to their chief chemist and then after that the CEO of the company spoke to me for a very long time.

In a nutshell, the residue was caused by me pouring the flavoring into an el-cheapo plastic cup. He said it wouldnt happen if it was a really good plastic, but that it will happen to the super cheap plastics like my cup was made with. He said it also happens to people who use a cheap plastic blender to make fruit drinks with their flavors, it etches a white coating into the plastic and if left long enough will crack the plastic. It is why they use only glass for their flavorings, never plastic.

Then I spoke to the CEO of the company. He asked me why I wanted to evaporate the alcohol out of the flavoring and then asked "are you using it for vaping". I told him yes but that I know his company doesnt want their flavorings used for vaping. What he said next was a surprise .. he said that they are the #1 supplier of flavorings to the ecig community, that most of the companies who make eliquids buy their flavorings and that, in about 3 days, NF is launching their own website which will be selling their flavorings specifically for the ecig community .. the website will be NewportFlavors.com and it will be open in about 3 days.

He then asked me how I make my DIY liquid and said, for the healthiest vape for my lungs I should only use 100% natural flavorings instead of putting other flavorings into my lungs that are made from synthetics.

As a child his grandfather smoked pipes .. and he grew up watching and smelling his grandfather cleaning his pipes every night. It is what got him interested in flavorings at the young age of 4. To this day he can remember the smell of each of his grandfather's pipe tobaccos. The ecig flavoring website that he is launching in 3 days will have all the fruit and sweet and bakery flavorings but will also have pipe and cigar flavorings.
 
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