That's the learning curve of it for most people. I've been at it since the first part of the year and am just now starting to "plateau" on spending. At present, I think my break-even point will be somewhere near July. Maybe.
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That's the learning curve of it for most people. I've been at it since the first part of the year and am just now starting to "plateau" on spending. At present, I think my break-even point will be somewhere near July. Maybe.
In my sig below, I keep track of my total expenses related to vaping (including two gifted kits). Compared with my estimated costs if I had continued smoking analogs, I'm doin' purdy good! 
It's also worth noting that my estimated costs (had I continued to smoke) are based on cig prices of almost two years ago, so my savings are greater than the numbers posted. PLUS, my health insurance now lists me as a NON-SMOKER and costs less per month.
It's also worth noting that my estimated costs (had I continued to smoke) are based on cig prices of almost two years ago, so my savings are greater than the numbers posted. PLUS, my health insurance now lists me as a NON-SMOKER and costs less per month.
I was going to keep up with how much I spent, but got lazy. However, I smoked a PAD@$7 which is $210/month. I guesstimate I've spent in the neighborhood of $350 which is close to 1/4 the cost of analogs thus far. A good portion of my expenses was for store bought juice. Another expense is I stocked up on nic base for DIY. The DIY is REALLY going putting me ahead in savings. I may buy a Provari very soon. Money's kind of tight for me right now.
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For me the biggest cost at first was in buying premade juices trying to hunt down a flavor I would be happy with. It was the hardest part of vaping for me because I just don't care for most flavors. I think once you find a flavor you like alot and then figure out how to make it yourself, it's all win win after that and way cheap. But at first you do tend to buy alot of duds for juice.
Thats the thing, I never developed arrythmia until I started smoking excessively. To the point where Id have to go get EKG's every couple months and the doctors thought I'd have a heart attack at any moment. Cut back on the smoking and I got progressively better. I mean any source Ive looked at about the effects of nictoine say the same thing. Are they all lying? why? Conspiracy to make nic users paranoid? I mean Im not gonna go to a college library and vet every source I come across, if every source I read says the same thing and Ive experienced similar effects Im gonna believe its true. You dont believe it thats cool too. I dont really even need anyone to tell me nicotine is a poison, I take it. I look at the effects of what even vaping does to people on this board, things that very little of are positive other than, "well, were not smoking cigarettes anymore." Every drug or medicine is a poison of sorts. Some have positive effects that are more disirable than the negative or to not take them at all but most things besides nourishment that we ingest have adverse effects on our state of health. The effects on the heart and bloodstream isnt just from some tabloid site, my doctors have told me this about smoking many times. They say it hardens arteries and causes irregular heartbeat and leads to heart disease. Maybe they were talking about cigarettes and not nic, I cant really remember because there wasnt a distinction, your smoked cigarettes to get nic. But I just read it on wikipedia and it cites sources. Its on webmd. I googled it, there are lots of writings on the effects of nicotine, not cigarettes, but nicotine there. Im just not one of those people to spend a half hour compiling a reference page for anybody on a website to prove a point. I like to post on forums to run my mouth from time to time, I dont do academic work for free. Again, believe what you want, everybody does anyway. Seems like everybody on this site is so gung ho about finally being able to quit they treat vaping like its going on a raw foods diet for a fat person is, and its really not. Its more like a bum drinking Jameson instead of Windex.
Yes, E-cigs save my money. Before i spend too much for smoking. This is also hamper my health. Now e-cigs also save my money and my health.
Okay. There are so many things in your response which, not only do I disagree with, but are potentially misleading to others. It's going to be difficult to address all the points you raise, but I'll do my best.
Once again, please let me express my heart-felt condolences with regard to the medical problems you're currently experiencing. It sounds as though cutting back on your smoking combined with your recent switch to vaping has had a positive effect on your health, so that's great news. Make no mistake, though: it was smoking that caused your arrhythmia not nicotine in and of itself.
I don't believe what you're saying because what you are saying is wrong - to the absolute best of my knowledge, there isn't a single piece of research that has successfully linked nicotine to heart disease.
Agreed. Nicotine is a poisin, but it is no more dangerous than caffeine at the quantities smokers/vapers are normally exposed to it.
I think most people on the forum would agree with me when I say that this is complete and utter rubbish.
Fundamentally untrue.
This is the crux of the issue - you're confusing the effects of nicotine use with that of smoking cigarettes. There is a distinction - a hugely important one.
Those articles are based on research projects that were never approved by a professional body and/or published externally.
I agree - you prefer to spread misinformation.
This made me really angry, and I think it's better if we just leave it there.
Regards,
JJ
Once again, please let me express my heart-felt condolences with regard to the medical problems you're currently experiencing. It sounds as though cutting back on your smoking combined with your recent switch to vaping has had a positive effect on your health, so that's great news. Make no mistake, though: it was smoking that caused your arrhythmia not nicotine in and of itself.
I don't believe what you're saying because what you are saying is wrong - to the absolute best of my knowledge, there isn't a single piece of research that has successfully linked nicotine to heart disease.
Agreed. Nicotine is a poisin, but it is no more dangerous than caffeine at the quantities smokers/vapers are normally exposed to it.
I think most people on the forum would agree with me when I say that this is complete and utter rubbish.
Fundamentally untrue.
This is the crux of the issue - you're confusing the effects of nicotine use with that of smoking cigarettes. There is a distinction - a hugely important one.
Those articles are based on research projects that were never approved by a professional body and/or published externally.
I agree - you prefer to spread misinformation.
This made me really angry, and I think it's better if we just leave it there.
Regards,
JJ
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Altaire Versailles, I would think if you don't approve of vaping, you wouldn't want to be on ECF. Or maybe you are promoting getting down to zero nic? Now that would be very positive. Although I did have problems with high blood pressure (204/126) landing me in ER until I got it straightened out, I still highly promote Ecigs but for me, I felt I should lower my nic. Not that I have scientific information but just a personal decision. However, when I see young people quitting smoking and turning to vaping, I'm ecstatic regardless of what mg nic they Vape! I wish we had Ecigs when I was younger. At least my lungs wouldnt be full of tar and black right now! The hard fact is I could NOT quit smoking! Vaping has definitely improved not only my health, but many many friends I know also. You cannot disprove what I know personally after talking to real people that are benefitting from vaping over cigs. Of course it's always best to not smoke or Vape. But the truth is we couldn't quit smoking and most of us would probably still be smoking if it wasn't for vaping.
I'm starting to look at it as a hobby now myself. I'm very curious about mech mods and dripping as well as some VV/VW PV's. I am going to buy a Provari Mini sometime soon and want a Silver Bullet and a Vamo. I have to try some more tanks and RBA's as well. So, Yeah, It is becoming a hobby for me.
Yes, it's a real fun hobby to me also. And I've met some great people along the way. A first I loved trying juices, then I loved trying mods. Now I'm loving learning about rebuildables. The fun never ends but I've managed to keep it on the more affordable side now.
I'm not going to break it down like J-Squared did, but I will answer a few questions.
1. Want to hear something positive? My blood pressure is down 10 points after I quit smoking cigarettes, and began vaping. My BP is taken monthly my my niece, who is a LPN. I'm not the only one to report their BP has gone down.
2. I don't understand your "nourishment" comment. Not all nourishment is healthy. There are foods that raise BP, and certain people with heart conditions shouldn't eat.
3. Your doctor told you about the affects of smoking, which contains over 4,000 chemicals, around 80 of them are carcinogenic.
4. Just because something is on Wikipedia, doesn't make it true. Is this one of those "I read it on the internet, so it must be true"?
5. I take it your a paid researcher since you don't give research for free?
6. I'm gung ho about quitting cigarettes. I smoked for over 40 years, tried all the different methods. Vaping is the only successful method I've tried. However, it's not a diet, nor do I treat it that way.
7. All drugs aren't poison.
8. I don't like Jameson, or Windex either for that matter. I prefer Dos Equis.
1. Want to hear something positive? My blood pressure is down 10 points after I quit smoking cigarettes, and began vaping. My BP is taken monthly my my niece, who is a LPN. I'm not the only one to report their BP has gone down.
2. I don't understand your "nourishment" comment. Not all nourishment is healthy. There are foods that raise BP, and certain people with heart conditions shouldn't eat.
3. Your doctor told you about the affects of smoking, which contains over 4,000 chemicals, around 80 of them are carcinogenic.
4. Just because something is on Wikipedia, doesn't make it true. Is this one of those "I read it on the internet, so it must be true"?
5. I take it your a paid researcher since you don't give research for free?
6. I'm gung ho about quitting cigarettes. I smoked for over 40 years, tried all the different methods. Vaping is the only successful method I've tried. However, it's not a diet, nor do I treat it that way.
7. All drugs aren't poison.
8. I don't like Jameson, or Windex either for that matter. I prefer Dos Equis.
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I can definitely state I am NOT saving money! This "new" habit is very costly and now I have to find a way to quit it too!
Great forum, by the way!
Great forum, by the way!
Review review review. Buy what meets your needs and stick to it. Then it's only a matter of cargo' s clearomizer' s or juice to top off. Long run, saving $$$
That's the basic question after having a conversation with my mom who also vapes and said after her batteries die she's done with vaping (with smoking too)...which isn't hard to understand considering all of the mods and apvs we've seen, but what do you guys think...is it time to stop touting the saving money claim and just admit that it can be expensive but that's ok?
I think it depends on where you go with it. I see many around here who enjoy the hobby aspect and may spend a fair amount of money on vaping (like I've seen people talk about "gear fever" for example) but I'm saving a lot. To a large degree because of the very experienced, hobbyist folk who I've learned so much from (in a fairly short period of time too). Armed with the info from folks who may have spent quite a bit, I was able to get my entire "gear" set up for less than a carton of cigs (which is over $60 in Texas now and headed for $70). And while I'd love to "sample" any number of e-liquids, I don't. Not now. Sometimes that means vaping something that I don't necessarily care that much for but it's still better than tobacco (which I can't even stand now).
I suspect "can be" is the right phrasing?
I spent $300+ per month on cigs. I too see it as a hobby though. I think I'm sort of at a break even point though and will be saving in the future/soon. I've got a VV/VW mod now, I'm getting an e-pipe and I think I'm good for a bit other than juice. My only weak spot is falling for all the new clearo tanks that seem to be popping up every day. I need to get over that.
That depends on where in the world you are. Where I am, a carton cost easily about $100. So in comparison, vaping is a very much cheaper alternative. But for me, it's something more than money behind my motivation to switch.
I would like to pose another question if I may, I hope that is okay . How important is it to you that you save money?
Personally, I had cut back smoking to just eight or so a day. I just bought a provari mini in black to match my amp tank and hh357s and am thinking of getting a second buzz pro so no I'm not saving money. However, I'm less likely to be dying early and leaving behind huge medical bills for my daughter and wife to deal with while they mourn me. I am only twenty seven and am avoiding a life time of smoking. My life may be vastly different thanks to vaping. I quit doing ...... after shooting it for eight years straight since I was fifteen but I don't think I would have ever quit smoking. If vaping was more expensive, even in its basic form, I would still not think twice. Not to mention the hobby, passion, friends, fun, self confidence, health benefits, and deliciousness that comes from it. Because of vaping I also started running again, which lead to quitting drinking as well. Thanks guys and gals.
Personally, I had cut back smoking to just eight or so a day. I just bought a provari mini in black to match my amp tank and hh357s and am thinking of getting a second buzz pro so no I'm not saving money. However, I'm less likely to be dying early and leaving behind huge medical bills for my daughter and wife to deal with while they mourn me. I am only twenty seven and am avoiding a life time of smoking. My life may be vastly different thanks to vaping. I quit doing ...... after shooting it for eight years straight since I was fifteen but I don't think I would have ever quit smoking. If vaping was more expensive, even in its basic form, I would still not think twice. Not to mention the hobby, passion, friends, fun, self confidence, health benefits, and deliciousness that comes from it. Because of vaping I also started running again, which lead to quitting drinking as well. Thanks guys and gals.
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