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only thing they can ban would be the nicotine juice and maybe they would be able to drive the manufacturers out of business. so you only need to buy mechanical mods, RBA's and nicotine.
they cant ban wick or wire, batteries and chargers, pg and vg since they are not exclusively used for vaping.
they cant ban wick or wire, batteries and chargers, pg and vg since they are not exclusively used for vaping.
Regulation are not laws that are passed by congress and signed off by the Pres.
A department of the Gov't is given authority by the Pres of USA to regulate a specific catagory like drugs, food, health, guns, environment, hi-ways etc. THEY DO NOT PASS LAWS CAN NOT. Allowed to regulate and give fines if not done they way.
Only congress can pass a law and Pres sign off on it and if he dose not it goes back to congress and they can over-ride a pres veto powers.
They most likely will go after the ecig that you can buy that look like anlog cigs. Limiting the nicotine and how its made. Things that are directly used only in ecig and that will not effect other products by regulations. If a regulation effects other products then ecigs, it would open other issues they do not want to deal with.
If you want a idea of what is going to happen look what England just did to ecigs limiting nicotine to 4mg (Can't be inforced for DYI stuff)
They can't ban PG/VG its used in other over the counter products.
Nicotine is already regulated as a poison yet its being used in other products.
Wicks and coils can be made from lots of stuff and used.
Liquid flavoring, can't see them doing anything with this also.
All they can go after is the stuff that is sold as a ecig and looks like a ecig. By limiting ingredients and adding a new tax on it.
DIY stuff should be no problem getting. Nicotine that couild be away add another tax indirectly to cig products useing ecig as th reason.
A department of the Gov't is given authority by the Pres of USA to regulate a specific catagory like drugs, food, health, guns, environment, hi-ways etc. THEY DO NOT PASS LAWS CAN NOT. Allowed to regulate and give fines if not done they way.
Only congress can pass a law and Pres sign off on it and if he dose not it goes back to congress and they can over-ride a pres veto powers.
They most likely will go after the ecig that you can buy that look like anlog cigs. Limiting the nicotine and how its made. Things that are directly used only in ecig and that will not effect other products by regulations. If a regulation effects other products then ecigs, it would open other issues they do not want to deal with.
If you want a idea of what is going to happen look what England just did to ecigs limiting nicotine to 4mg (Can't be inforced for DYI stuff)
They can't ban PG/VG its used in other over the counter products.
Nicotine is already regulated as a poison yet its being used in other products.
Wicks and coils can be made from lots of stuff and used.
Liquid flavoring, can't see them doing anything with this also.
All they can go after is the stuff that is sold as a ecig and looks like a ecig. By limiting ingredients and adding a new tax on it.
DIY stuff should be no problem getting. Nicotine that couild be away add another tax indirectly to cig products useing ecig as th reason.
I think I'm going to order a few bottles of 100mg/mL. Maybe a years worth or so.
Already have a few RBA and looking at a mechanical. But neither of those have anything to do with the impending judgement.
I kind of doubt it.
A quick google search will show you tons of 'illegal paraphernalia' that is readily available for sale and is made here in the US.
Batteries, PG/VG, Kanthal/Nichrome, flavors, etc are all used in so many other things they couldn't regulate them.
That and building your own is way too easy. The hardest part to source is the 510 connector and I doubt they'll be working to stop those coming into the US any time soon.
But who knows. I surly don't. I'm just dubious they can effectively enforce any such regulations. If they even pass a nicotine base regulation I doubt they'll be able to fully enforce it.
Again, prohibition just doesn't work.
They could tax us to death but I'm sure there would be ways to circumvent it. As an example no Federal tax on unprocessed tobacco (ala Only Leaf).
Already have a few RBA and looking at a mechanical. But neither of those have anything to do with the impending judgement.
I kind of doubt it.
A quick google search will show you tons of 'illegal paraphernalia' that is readily available for sale and is made here in the US.
Batteries, PG/VG, Kanthal/Nichrome, flavors, etc are all used in so many other things they couldn't regulate them.
That and building your own is way too easy. The hardest part to source is the 510 connector and I doubt they'll be working to stop those coming into the US any time soon.
But who knows. I surly don't. I'm just dubious they can effectively enforce any such regulations. If they even pass a nicotine base regulation I doubt they'll be able to fully enforce it.
Again, prohibition just doesn't work.
They could tax us to death but I'm sure there would be ways to circumvent it. As an example no Federal tax on unprocessed tobacco (ala Only Leaf).
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I'm gonna take up powerwalking again, hit the trails with my dogs, and just get my endorphins and brain chemicals going some other way.
Vapiing got me off stinkies, and I'm not going back to those. I'm just not a stockpiler/doomsday type, and really NOT willing to go thru a lot of hassle to secure vaping supplies if they are not readily available. I have worked on getting my life simplified, so just not interested in complications. I really don't want to get caught up in something like that. Stinkies were becoming unaffordable and an expense I was going to delete sooner or later out of my life, I was sort of fed up with WASTING all that money.
I'm pretty sure I CAN live without nicotine........and if it becomes unaffordable, I'll just delete it from my life, cause I have better things to do with my money------just don't take away my coffee.
to be honest, I really like freedom, and don't care to have the vaping monkey on my back any more than I wanted the ciggie monkey on my back. I enjoy it, but I don't want to *need* it. I'm already spending $ on vaping, I sure am not willing to spend any more than I already am.
There are, after all, people on the planet going without food every day. It would make me feel sort of whine-y to pitch a fit about not being able to vape in light of that thought.
Vapiing got me off stinkies, and I'm not going back to those. I'm just not a stockpiler/doomsday type, and really NOT willing to go thru a lot of hassle to secure vaping supplies if they are not readily available. I have worked on getting my life simplified, so just not interested in complications. I really don't want to get caught up in something like that. Stinkies were becoming unaffordable and an expense I was going to delete sooner or later out of my life, I was sort of fed up with WASTING all that money.
I'm pretty sure I CAN live without nicotine........and if it becomes unaffordable, I'll just delete it from my life, cause I have better things to do with my money------just don't take away my coffee.
to be honest, I really like freedom, and don't care to have the vaping monkey on my back any more than I wanted the ciggie monkey on my back. I enjoy it, but I don't want to *need* it. I'm already spending $ on vaping, I sure am not willing to spend any more than I already am.
There are, after all, people on the planet going without food every day. It would make me feel sort of whine-y to pitch a fit about not being able to vape in light of that thought.
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The only thing they can go after and control is the nicotine. Everything else can be made or purchased some how even a 510 connector can be DIY.
Can keep Nicotine from 1 to 2 years, I don't know how long if frozen. Anyone know, point us in right direction?
Can keep Nicotine from 1 to 2 years, I don't know how long if frozen. Anyone know, point us in right direction?
So overall the government is looking at banning e-liquids containing Nicotine, and not the devices themself?
Think of it this way.
You have a brand new shiny car that no one prevented you from buying, but gas cost $10,000 a gallon. How much are you going to drive. How much goes for tax's etc back to gov't to plunder.
They are going to control the product that has to be re-fillied (liquids) the way to control is being setup as we talk medical care with Obma care and IRS the enforce now you have not only the FDA regulation to deal with The IRS with tax forms etc and IRS has the power to go into any accounts in your name and lock you out and take your monies, yes legally you have rights, the right to a far trail can you afford to pay your legal defence lawyers and legal forms needed to fight the IRS enforcer with Obama care. As good as Obama care sounds it gave them the means to go after us anyway/anything they want with the enforcer. Just by saying its a medical connected covered under Obama care.
We just got screwed and we like it!
You have a brand new shiny car that no one prevented you from buying, but gas cost $10,000 a gallon. How much are you going to drive. How much goes for tax's etc back to gov't to plunder.
They are going to control the product that has to be re-fillied (liquids) the way to control is being setup as we talk medical care with Obma care and IRS the enforce now you have not only the FDA regulation to deal with The IRS with tax forms etc and IRS has the power to go into any accounts in your name and lock you out and take your monies, yes legally you have rights, the right to a far trail can you afford to pay your legal defence lawyers and legal forms needed to fight the IRS enforcer with Obama care. As good as Obama care sounds it gave them the means to go after us anyway/anything they want with the enforcer. Just by saying its a medical connected covered under Obama care.
We just got screwed and we like it!
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only thing the FDA can get involved with would be the Nic in the liquid everything else has other uses (food flavorings resistance wire etc)
for now i stocked up on a half gallon of unflavored nic,as the time gets closer to when they will make a decision should it look like they are going to ban the nic i might buy myself a bit more to help supply friends who vape.
for now i stocked up on a half gallon of unflavored nic,as the time gets closer to when they will make a decision should it look like they are going to ban the nic i might buy myself a bit more to help supply friends who vape.
Everyone should subscribe to the legislation and news forums to keep up on things regarding regulation, etc. All the top people in our industry are posting and/or represented there. Become informed and join CASAA (even donate, if you can ).
The more of us that are informed, the better we can represent our cause to those that need to be educated and persuaded!
). The more of us that are informed, the better we can represent our cause to those that need to be educated and persuaded!
Agree with the above. You cant stop me from building my own mechanical mod no matter how ugly. They cant outlaw the parts. VG and PG will still be around. So will flavorings. Most we use were already around anyway with baking/cooking in mind. Nic base will be the problem. Im sure a motivated person could extract nicotine from tobacco. Thats still legal for now. So they cant stop 0 nic vaping. Getting your hands on nicotine will be the only issue.
yea there are videos on youtube showing how to extract nic from cigs,cigars,chew etc should someone get desperate enough,you would think the FDA would realize that is they did ban eliquid/nic they would just cause more health problems from more people doing DIY nic and messing something up out of desperation.
should they ban eliquid i guess it will only prove how corupt they have become and how health issues are no longer there real consern.
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I expect this regulatory issue to converge with consolidation on the hardware front. A number of smaller mod shops will eventually close as imported cheap mods of improving quality force prices and profitability down. If you have a favorite mod that's not an inexpensive high volume device, it might be prudent to stock up on spare parts or a backup.
Its not about your health issues they are not concerned about your or my health, Its panding to special intrest/ lobby groups useing health issues as the means and NICOTINE is the APPARATUS going to be used. FDA is not getting involved they are! Obama Care is the TOOL that will be used!
Look at the big picture, if it was about your health then the agency incharge of health would be envolved with it and we would know how to protect our self with health issues. by FDA dealing with ecig we are kept in the dark until FDA makes they ruleing. Until the FDA says something we do not know how to fight them till its to later.
Once again I state it not the FDA or any other agency that came up with this idea. They have a boss the president of USA. Mr. Obama his there boss he can fire or hire anyone he wants.
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Oh, and be sure to overuse a lot of tea party buzzwords with bold font and cap lock engaged so everyone knows who the real TOOL is.
I stocked up on nicotine. Vg and pg I am not to worried about stocking up on. Batteries same thing, no worries. Rba's have plenty of, but continue to get more cause I can never resist a good dripping rba. Flavorings also not worried about.
Best thing a person can stock up on in my opinion are friends. Friends that can network. Go underground if we have to, but with a great group of friends I am sure we will be just fine.
Best thing a person can stock up on in my opinion are friends. Friends that can network. Go underground if we have to, but with a great group of friends I am sure we will be just fine.
I've got my nic already, so I'm set for about 2 years at my present nic level. Given that I'm dropping nic levels slowly, it's longer than that. I may lay in a little more yet, but not much.
Batteries? Set for quite some time yet. I own a Bolt, and I can re-build it myself if necessary. I tend to prefer the 808 connection, have plenty of 510 to 808 adapters, and the 808 thread is a standard connector you can get at Radio Shack anyway. I could build my own Bolt equivalent pretty cheaply, although it wouldn't be pretty.
I'm doubtful that batteries will be controlled. That would have to be written very carefully to avoid impacting the flashlight industry.
PG, VG, wicks, wire, and flavor are all used in too many places. They won't be controlled and can't be without causing massive issues in dozens of industries. Since I prefer not to build my own atomizers, I'm relying on my current stock--ten heads for my T3, 40 cleartos currently, lots of old cartos lying around.
Batteries? Set for quite some time yet. I own a Bolt, and I can re-build it myself if necessary. I tend to prefer the 808 connection, have plenty of 510 to 808 adapters, and the 808 thread is a standard connector you can get at Radio Shack anyway. I could build my own Bolt equivalent pretty cheaply, although it wouldn't be pretty.
I'm doubtful that batteries will be controlled. That would have to be written very carefully to avoid impacting the flashlight industry.
PG, VG, wicks, wire, and flavor are all used in too many places. They won't be controlled and can't be without causing massive issues in dozens of industries. Since I prefer not to build my own atomizers, I'm relying on my current stock--ten heads for my T3, 40 cleartos currently, lots of old cartos lying around.
I'm in the Detroit area. During prohibition boats came across the river nightly from Canada loaded with liquor. I'll find a way to keep vaping until I choose not to, no matter what.
dent you guys think that small production and or forum members building mods in general ever for resell and would just grow. if ever the big chinese manufacturers went down as a result. i mean if they cannot BAN regular HERB vaporizers how can they can they ban a vape either, in reality its not illegal its only the substance itself that can be...
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