E-cigar bling 2008

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ApOsTle51

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yeah , ive been looking for batteries with a higher Mah rating so they last longer. i Know kit has sugested some on the first page but they're only rated at 350mah. im sure you could get some 3.7 volt 1250mah batts. they'de last a few days per charge i reckon

btw , are the batteries for the cigar the same physical size of AA, or AAA batts ?
 
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this is about physical size..the cigar batteries are AAA size or 10340.. the 10 is the diameter the 340 the length..

the cigar battery is around 350 mah in capacity.. the ultrafire ones from deal extreme have 600 mah on them but in a very chinese fashion they tell fibs and overrate their batteries..

we are about to produce an e smoking device with a bigger 1000 mah 16340 type battery.. it will have a manual switch and take either 901 or penstyle atomizers..

i essence any 3.7 volt rechargeable lithium cell will power an e cig.. the 10340 AAA ones are simply to small to do the job properly..

all e cig batteries except the pipe batteries are too small to do the job properly..

also the cigar battery is an unproteced cell.. which means it isnt really suitable for consumer use.. if u run it flat u will kill it.. if u overcharge it.. it might catch fire..

this by the way is "fact" and not as what i am getting tired of hearing on this forum.. simply my opinion..

trog

ps.. now if ruyan made slightly a fatter cigar that took an AA 14500 900 mah battery things would make sense.. but they dont..
 
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depends on the size of ruyans original battery ? i dont have a bling, toying on the idea of getting one tho. just seeing if a battery with longer life is available.
the 18650 battery (66mm long) is 33% longer than an AAA (44mm long)

i think the problem would be "Diameter: 18 mm" ; the ecigar diameter is 13,5-14mm
 

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this is about physical size..the cigar batteries are AAA size or 10340.. the 10 is the diameter the 340 the length..

cheers trog thats handy to know

we are about to produce an e smoking device with a bigger 1000 mah 16340 type battery.. it will have a manual switch and take either 901 or penstyle atomizers..

whats this 'we' then? Are u a manufacturer then trog or something ???
 

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me and my son might make some with larger batteries that have a decent run time..

again it comes down to size.. how big should it be.. the bigger it is the longer the run time..

the full range of lithium rechargeables available.. from the pretty big 18650 down to the little AAA sized 10340.. and everything in between.. he he

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the ones on the left are AAA cigar type the ones next to em AA sized..

trog

ps.. for reference the batteries in a normal e cig is about half the size of the little AAA ones
 
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You know Trog, I am with you on the desire for concrete, objective facts. I always like that better than subjective opinions. But not everything is a matter of facts. Tastes, preferences, what is an adequate amount of vapor, whether a draw is too hard, or an e-liquid too harsh, these just aren't matters of fact, period. They are opinions and they cannot be reduced to facts.

What CAN be factually determined are specific data. How many 5-second puffs a battery lasts, or a cartridge. Whether one device produces as much vapor or more or less compared to another device. And, if I can ever find an affordable guage with fine enough increments, how many PSI it takes to draw on one.

And for some judgements, while they remain judgements and not facts, using a consistant scale, like my 5-point system, can at least keep the judgements consistant from device to device.

It's what I was trying to do with my reviews. And I hope I suceeded at least a little.

ANd Kit, the reason many of us, if not most, harp on vapor production is, one, that the nicotine is in the vapor, so if you don't get much vapor, you're not getting much nicotine. Ruyan is different, because their liquid is formulated differently. But with most liquids, if there's not much visible vapor it means not much liquid is being vaporized, and therefore not much nicotine is being delivered.

And, two, for the satisfaction. If you're used to the billowing smoke of a real cigarette, wispy vapor doesn't seem as satisfying, even if it does have enough nicotine to fill that part of your habit. It's like eating with a stuffy nose. You're missing part of the experience, and even if everything else is fine, it's less satisfying.

It's an artificial distinction to ask whether the smoke or the nicotine was more important with a real cig, since with a real cig there's no seperation. You can't get the nicotine without the smoke.
 

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this by the way is "fact" and not as what i am getting tired of hearing on this forum.. simply my opinion..

trog

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Both facts and subjective opinions are very helpful I think Trog- People who see a pretty much consensus opinion can pretty safely guage how a particular device will work, and htose seeing facts will know for sure how soemthign is goign to perform and can hten make informed descision- both are quite helpful to someone new looking for advice before buying. Those looking for good to great vapor reading htis thread can fairly safely assume the cigar is goign to be a strong performer with a strong throat hit as several owners have testified to that opinion, but htere's really no way to guage somethign liek throat-hit except agaisnt known weak and strong devices that have been pretty unanimously confirmed by a majority of owners.

Some of hte lesser issues such as taste that are based on subjective opinions, don't really matter much, as these subjective opinions do vary greatly between folks, but when it comes down to hte brass tacs like hit count, vapor production, nicotine hit etc, these can be pretty well settled upon by noting the majority subjective consensus on the different issues.

It's all valuable- subjective and objective- fact and opinion- We're all here ot help others make informed descisions, and hwen the majority agree, then it's pretty safe to say it's most likely the case, and hte few who dissagree just simply have different tastes or expectations

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It's an artificial distinction to ask whether the smoke or the nicotine was more important with a real cig, since with a real cig there's no seperation. You can't get the nicotine without the smoke.

Agreed- I think most every smoker psychologically and physically need to see good vapor and feel that nic hit in order to be able to cut down on real smoking comfortably- the two do indeed go hand in hand
 

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NOw that I am charging the cigar batteries with a real charger, they are definately lasting longer. I took one to my card game tonite and it lasted the whole three hours, now I did have to juice it once to get that full vapor I love. I think if I sell cigars in the future, I am going to raise the price alittle and include a regular charger with 2 compartments. I have not carried cigars just because I found the chargers inadequate.
 

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ANd Kit, the reason many of us, if not most, harp on vapor production is, one, that the nicotine is in the vapor, so if you don't get much vapor, you're not getting much nicotine. Ruyan is different, because their liquid is formulated differently. But with most liquids, if there's not much visible vapor it means not much liquid is being vaporized, and therefore not much nicotine is being delivered.

leaford please don't patronize me..i think i know by now how nicotine is delivered by the means of e-smoking..i am talking about the ruyan carts only!
not vapour production in these devices as a whole..i belive ruyans claims that these carts were made for discreet smoking.. hence why there is no vapour on the exhale.
if not inhaled there is plenty of vapour so when inhaled the nicotine is being delivered..just because there is no vapour on the exhale does not mean there is insufficient nicotine being consumed..there plenty of vapour going in which means sufficient amounts of nicotine..if this was not the case i would be back on cigarettes!

It's an artificial distinction to ask whether the smoke or the nicotine was more important with a real cig, since with a real cig there's no seperation. You can't get the nicotine without the smoke.

again you misunderstand leaford.. im trying to help people make sense of the ruyan discreet smoking method thats all..
 
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And since Leaford begged to disagree with a conclusion of mine, I'll beg to disagree with his conclusion about nicotine and vapor.

You want strong nicotine with a hit that will make you cough? Use Big Pharma's nicotine inhaler. Many of us on this forum have tried it. Wham! It clobbers you. Without vapor at all. Inside the inhaler is a small, nicotine-soaked core. That core oozes gaseous nicotine that is then inhaled when air moves through the cigarette-shaped tube.

The point is that vapor is not necessary for a nic hit. Vapor is necessary from a visual standpoint, so we "see" cigarette smoke. And I'm not sure it's even been established that the nicotine molecules are somehow bound to the propylene glycol vapor. No one has yet said that. They might be separate -- PG for visual vapor, nicotine molecules for the drug lift.

I like lots of vapor, too. But I don't equate vapor with nic hit. And I understand how I can get "high" just sucking an e-cig without a battery attached!
 

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Sorry, Kit, I guess I was in Pedantic mode. [/pedantic]

But my second point still stands. I don't like the Ruyan liquid, and think others feel the same way, because seeing the vapor is part of the overall satisfaction. When we smoked real cigs, we saw vapor. Without the visible vapor part of the accustomed experience is missing, so it's less satisfying.
 
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leaford

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And since Leaford begged to disagree with a conclusion of mine, I'll beg to disagree with his conclusion about nicotine and vapor.
I don't beg, Bob. :p

The point is that vapor is not necessary for a nic hit. Vapor is necessary from a visual standpoint, so we "see" cigarette smoke. And I'm not sure it's even been established that the nicotine molecules are somehow bound to the propylene glycol vapor. No one has yet said that. They might be separate -- PG for visual vapor, nicotine molecules for the drug lift.

I like lots of vapor, too. But I don't equate vapor with nic hit. And I understand how I can get "high" just sucking an e-cig without a battery attached!

I never meant to imply that the visible vapor is bonded to the nicotine. As I said, with regular e-liquid, when you see less vapor, it means less liquid is being vaporized, therefore, less of the nicotine in the liquid is being vaporized.

I do not think they are bonded, or that the PG carries the nicotine. I think they are seperate, chemically, but are mixed together in the vapor, the visible PG along with the invisible nicotine. But the PG and the nicotine, and the water and flavorings, are all being vaporized together. Less of one means less of the others.
 

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Sorry, Kit, I guess I was in Pedantic mode. [/pedantic]

But my second point still stands. I don't like the Ruyan liquid, and think others feel the same way, because seeing the vapor is part of the overall satisfaction. When we smoked real cigs, we saw vapor. Without the visible vapor part of the accustomed experience is missing, so it's less satisfying.

Know worries leaford,
Ive discussed this with TB before regarding inhalers with no vapour and e-devices with vapour production.. plenty of vapour does not necessarily mean loads of nicotine..as it stands at the moment vapour and nicotine look like they are not bonded at all.. thats all i was trying to say.
 

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well i didnt like the ruyan liquid for two reasons-its taste and lack of vapor on exhale...but thats just me...

Kit seems more than happy with it,so obviously he loves the taste and hes more concerned with throat and nic hit than blowing out vapor.
clearly some vapers differ in their requirements and priorities.

my big concern is this-i think eventually other liquid manufacturers will try to emulate Ruyan,and eliminate or greatly reduce visible vapor on exhale,in order to appease the antis...

for the majority of us in the west who demand the visual and,lets face it,important psychological aspect of blowing out clouds of vapor,this is a very worrying prospect...

personally i need 3 things from esmoking-nicotine hit,throat hit,and a decent amount of vapor to exhale.
 

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"I beg to differ" - common courtesy phrase.

As I've come to understand this, I do NOT think more vapor necessarily means more nicotine. They are not bound, so Ruyan cigar liquid could pack a powerful nicotine hit with very little visible vapor. In fact, I think the liquid mix can be manipulated in a number of ways to increase or decrease vapor, just as it can be to increase or decrease nicotine.

So ... the part I beg to differ with is:
Less of one means less of the others.

Nope, methinks.
 
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