E-cigar bling 2008

[ApOsTle51]

As we're dealing with unknowns here, is it not a little pointless trying to argue about something that has no fact base.
I mean for example , the nicotine may vapourize at a lower temperature than the pg , hence more nicotine gets vapourized in comparison to the pg, so little vapour but still a good nicotine content.
who knows ??? no -one knows

Be happy people

 

[leaford]

"I beg to differ" - common courtesy phrase.

As I've come to understand this, I do NOT think more vapor necessarily means more nicotine. They are not bound, so Ruyan cigar liquid could pack a powerful nicotine hit with very little visible vapor. In fact, I think the liquid mix can be manipulated in a number of ways to increase or decrease vapor, just as it can be to increase or decrease nicotine.

So ... the part I beg to differ with is:

Nope, methinks.

Bob, re-read what I wrote. I was talking about regular e-liquid and specifically excluded Ruyan, because, as I said, it is formulated differently. We've discussed it before. It is formulated to have less visible vapor. But with most e-liquid if you are seeing less vapor, it's because you are vaporizing less liquid. And less liquid vaporized means less nicotine.

And I was joking about the "beg" part, as my smiley clearly indicated.

Jeeze. Is this the All-Fight thread?

 

[leaford]

As we're dealing with unknowns here, is it not a little pointless trying to argue about something that has no fact base.
I mean for example , the nicotine may vapourize at a lower temperature than the pg , hence more nicotine gets vapourized in comparison to the pg, so little vapour but still a good nicotine content.
who knows ??? no -one knows

Be happy people

Well, I did a Google search, and found that the boiling point of PG is 188.2C, and Nicotine's is 247C, for pure compound at 1 atmosphere pressure. So it would be the other way around, if anything.

 

[Mattttty]

Well i just posted off 2 cartridges to the large hadron collider on the swiss french border, hoping that the science folk could smash the particles of nicotine and pg together at near light speeds to recreate the big bang and see if the universe would have been better started that way or if its just a better way of gettin more vapour and a better throat hit !

I'll keep you posted on results.

Oh and as this is the ruyan bling thread , "I LOVE MY BLINGS"




"light hearted banter, please dont take offence"

 

[trog100]

not a great deal of "consensus" is there.. if only there was things would be a lot clearer..

i find the vapour that come out on the exhale is directly linked to how long its held in the lungs.. ruyan or whatever liquid gets absorbed by the the lungs its the nature of the fluid..

so ruyan apart even thow i have never seen any concrete proof of ruyans greater absortion factor..

i think it can be reasonably stated (everything else being equal) the vapour that comes out is directly related to two things.. the amount that goes in.. the more that goes in the more that comes out.. the less that goes in the less that comes out..

the second thing thats rarely mentioned is how long the vapour is held in the lungs.. the longer its held in the lungs the less comes out on the exhale.. a vapourless exhale can be achieved with any liquid simply by holding it in the lungs longer..

i played long and hard with ruyan liquid.. i couldnt really tell much difference if any.. it tastes nice.. but when its dripped into an e pipe it isnt very "discrete"..

from reading the forum some people assume that because a real cigar isnt inhaled neither should an e cigar be.. they apply the same logic to an e pipe.. this goes on to assume special liquid that dosnt need to be inhaled..

to me they are all the same just different shapes.. i also real inhale cigars.. unless they are huge ones that are like trying to smoke a packet of twenty cigs all in one go.. than i only inhale some of the smoke..

if cigars dont need inhaling its for one simple reason.. they are strong and they are big.. years ago i used to smoke henry winterman slim panatellas.. i inhaled them just like i inhaled my strong normal cigarettes..

i know one thing for sure.. visible smoke being a placebo or not.. i could never get high on an e cig with a dud battery.. just like i cant get drunk on a glass of water.. life would be oh so easy if i could..

the mind is a powerfull thing.. i am an e cig doubter.. seeing lots of visible smoke at least tells me the device is working.. but knowing i could see this with liquid that has no nicotine content bothers me.. all i can do is assume the liquid i am using has a reasonable nicotine content.. but the visable vapour does at least tell me i am getting something as opposed to nothing..

trog

 

[ApOsTle51]

i recommend if any body else is thinking of buying the bling to not get the starter pack buy from wayne direct not through ebay just buy the tube(atomizer built in) and led cap this will cost about £17 then buy 6 pack of rechargeable batteries and double charger form deal extreme it works out cheaper... ..

well , here's the price from wayne, recieved today.
i will make my order come payday

Hi Scott,

Thanks for your inquiry.
Sur we can meet your requirement.

The total price is USD38 for your following order:
--1 pc RUYAN titanium e-cigar(the tube with led cap)
--5 pcs RUYAN refills (which strength level?)
--air parcel shipping to UK

You can also choose EMS express, which is faster and safer. The total price including EMS is USD51.

Thanks.

Yours sincerely,

Wayne

 

[Kit]

Nice one apostle get more for your money by not buying the starter pack ehh.
just deal extreme left to do..for your batteries and charger.
Regarding the bling,
At the end of the day they are not bound.. i still get vapour and a good throat kick plus my nicotine fix!
the mixture in the ruyan carts are not your average carts..
if you dont inhale theres ample vapour if you do it disappears unless you inhale slowly.. theres obviously some kind of magic mix going on to create a discreet smoke.

 

[ApOsTle51]

btw. is there any other carts that are compatible with the bling?
(my cheepskate is showing )

 

[trog100]

just a point about your need for accurate measurements in your testing leaford..

the chinese factor as its been called.. variation between one device and another of the same make and type..

its partly the "chinese factor" that is responsible for so many different conflicting opinions on the same device....

to get some real indication of accuracy at least ten of each type of device would need to be tested and measured and averaged out.. and then the punter would have to be told.. its down to luck how good or bad a one he gets..

the liquid in a cart varies from one to the other.. chinese batteries also vary from one to the other.. how hard they are to draw thru varies.. everything varies

basically making accurate measurements of one device dosnt mean a lot when the next one u get is likely to be completely different..

i have bought a lot of chinese stuff lately.. if there is one things that can be considered a "fact".. its that no two chinese thing are exactly the same.. he he

okay it could be called poor quality control but its also connected to the the fact that a lot of chinese stuff is still hand assembled..

robots make things exactly the same.. people dont.. no two genuinely hand made products will be exactly the same.. labour is still cheap in china and things are still made by people and hand assembled..

what can be said (i think) is that some devices vary more than others.. but the next batch even from the same factory can all be different than the previous batch..

the bottom line is the chinese seem to be making it all up as they go along.. when one takes into account the ludicrously cheap prices these thing leave the factory at it isnt entirely surprising..

the danger is that some western importers simply take the cheap chinese products and mark it up by several thousand percent as some are doing..

i have noted that "value for money" dosnt come into your review world.. i think it should..

i love cheap chinese stuff.. with one proviso.. i pay chinese prices for it..

i aint knocking u dude.. just stating some thought..

trog

 

[leaford]

i have noted that "value for money" dosnt come into your review world.. i think it should..
trog

Because "value" is another subjective judgement.

But your point on variation between individual units is true, and well taken. But until a millionaire benefactor funds my testing laboratory, I just can't afford to do anything about it.

All I can do is make sure that I have a fully working unit before doing my review, so people can see how well it CAN work, and they can judge for themselves whether their own unit is performing up to par.

 

[Nazareth]

i think it can be reasonably stated (everything else being equal) the vapour that comes out is directly related to two things.. the amount that goes in.. the more that goes in the more that comes out.. the less that goes in the less that comes out..

Well not necessarily- I've experimented with different mixtures of PG & VG & I found that the more VG in my mixtures, the less vapor would come out on exhale if I inhaled, however, the vapor produced when just puffing and blowing it out was abotu hte same as for PG. I've also noted that the Ruyan liquid makes my stomach rumble, just like using pure VG does- PG doesn't do this to me, so my guess is that the formula in Ruyan cigars contains more VG hence the lesser amounts of vapor on exhale- Also, I beleive htere is also another ingredient that further reduces hte vapor when inhaled- somehtign to do with hte PH balancing of hte liquid according to Ruyan

 

[trog100]

Because "value" is another subjective judgement.

not really leaford only to a guy like u where money is no object..(smiley) for example two otherwise identical products but one costs twice the price of the other isnt subjective its fact..

i know such a concept is hard for u and some others to get to terms with but it happens.. and should play a part in any decent review..

bang for buck would be the american term.. 90% of the quality for 10% of the price has to be worth something..

to a potential buyer that is.. perhaps not to a connoisseur.. personally where an e cig is concerned i dont think quality can simply be bought.. if it could there would be no need for reviews..

i could be wrong here but i think u like "quality" and put great store in it.. u are a connoisseur and perhaps should keep this in mind some people reading your reviews might be potential buyers..

trog

ps.. ruyan carts are quite cheap when bought from heavens gift apostle.. they have to be for me to consider them.. he he

 

[trog100]

Well not necessarily- I've experimented with different mixtures of PG & VG & I found that the more VG in my mixtures, the less vapor would come out on exhale if I inhaled, however, the vapor produced when just puffing and blowing it out was abotu hte same as for PG. I've also noted that the Ruyan liquid makes my stomach rumble, just like using pure VG does- PG doesn't do this to me, so my guess is that the formula in Ruyan cigars contains more VG hence the lesser amounts of vapor on exhale- Also, I beleive htere is also another ingredient that further reduces hte vapor when inhaled- somehtign to do with hte PH balancing of hte liquid according to Ruyan

i did try and remove the different liquid factor from my statement naz.. lets say using the same liquid the more that goes in the more that comes out..

but whatever the absorption factor of the liquid the longer its held in the lungs the more vapor is absorbed and the less comes out..

there might be a lung absorbtion vapour overload factor but i aint found an e cig that can manage it..

trog

ps.. ruyan fluid smoked in a pipe made me cough badly after three days or so.. i had to stop using it..

 

[Kate]

So Apostle you've managed to get a bling, batteries, charger and five cartridges for less than £30 including postage? Let us know the final cost of everything.

You can refill those cartridges and if the atomiser lasts a couple of months you've got a brilliant deal there. I paid £38 on ebay for mine with twenty five cartridges and I think that's still a good deal. I could have done without the extra cartridges though.

My bling is my favourite device at the moment, I haven't got used to the Kissbox yet so I can't really compare but the bling is just a dream to use . It worked consistently straight away, easy draw, nothing complicated going on with the atomiser - just keep the cartridge moist and it's happy. It burns at a good temperature that doesn't make my juice taste funny, the flavour is good. If it keeps going like this for a couple of months it'll be a miracle device. I don't know about long term use but my first impressions are that this would be a great device for new esmokers who don't want much fuss and aren't too worried about appearances.

At the price it is also in the range of 'disposable' even though it has a five year guarantee. It would be good for newbies to test new eliquids and dripping techniques. Not expensive if you kill it.

Can someone tell me if the atomiser can be cleaned? If I put the tube in isopropyl alcohol would it damage the wiring?

 

[Kit]

Can someone tell me if the atomiser can be cleaned?

1. Put the tube into clear water (without any risk for the atomizer!) (no detergent! nothing other!!!).
The best solution is to let the tube under flowing clear water by the two holes some seconds.DOING THIS WILL NOT AFFECT Y
2. After the cleaning, you have to dry it blowing and blowing again into the two holes of the tube to eliminate all the water, you can also securely use a hair drier to activate the drying and to be sure it's well dry.
3. Then you have to put a new full filled cartridge in the e-cigar..and wait.. after an hour or more the liquid arrives to the atomizing chamber and insert the full charged battery. Or you can squeeze liquid from a cartridge and drop it into the e-cigar.
4. After 2-10 slow puffs, if a high density smoke appears as the first day, then all is Ok.

DOING THIS WILL NOT AFFECT YOUR GUARANTEE

 

[Kate]

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[Kit]

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something crazy is going on with my edit..everytime i edit it is reposting..

 

[RatInDaHat]

Kit,

first two posts(the un-edited ones) removed.

-Dusty-

 

[Kit]

Kit,

first two posts(the un-edited ones) removed.

-Dusty-

thanks for the clean up dusty!

 

[ted26]

thanks for the clean up dusty!

Ask her is she can deliver my bling pleeeease