Well, I'll be finding out sooner or later. I'm itching for a vacation already. Maybe end of July, or at least by August.
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Me too. First time in my life I'm looking forward to a flight. I'm definitely blowing smoke rings at 30,000 feet...
Recent blog entry on that topic: http://www.nowpublic.com:80/health/should-faa-allow-electronic-cigarettes-sky
MartinAir now welcomes e-smoking aboard it's planes. I'm not sure, but I think that's the first western airline on the side of e-smoking. Don't know if they also fly on lines to/from the US though.
Do NOT ask forum members to take up a collection for your bail. Here's something to read before you take off. This is on Crown 7's new blog:
Are CROWN 7 Products Airworthy?
June 20, 2008
At CROWN 7, were accustomed to answering questions from people about our line of tobacco-free and smoke-free electronic cigarettes, cigars and pipes. A lot of questions. And, when were asked questions so often, it seems like we start to come up with a lot of questions of your own. Once in a while, those questions surface after reading news reports like the one below.
An unruly JetBlue passenger from Queens who lit up a cigarette mid-flight Tuesday forced the 145-passenger flight to be diverted after she became violent and uncooperative when asked to stop smoking. WCBSTV.com news report.
That news report prompted one CROWN 7 staffer to raise this question:
What might happen if an enthusiastic electronic cigarette aficionado took one of his tobacco-free, smoke-free and flame-free CROWN 7 cigarettes aboard a U.S. commercial passenger aircraft and started to use it?
DISCLAIMER: No one associated with CROWN 7 recommends you attempt to enjoy any CROWN 7 product while aboard a passenger airliner. If, however, you insist on doing so, we think you should understand the possible consequences of your actions. The list of possible consequences includes, but is not limited to, the following:
Youll probably get yourself into a heap of trouble. In trouble with who? you ask. First of all, with the airlines flight crew members. Most crew members in particular, the flight attendants will, like most members of the general public, be unfamiliar with the concept of electronic cigarettes and the fact that they are tobacco-free and smoke-free and, did we mention flame-free products which rely upon rechargeable batteries to function.
Youll probably need to hire yourself a good lawyer who may or may not be able to get you out of the above-mentioned heap of trouble. Why might I need a lawyer? you ask. Because, these days, everyone in the airline business treats people who break the rules or appear to be breaking the rules with iron fists. That means theyll probably take whatever actions are necessary up to and including having you arrested upon landing to prevent you from using your electronic cigarette.
Youll need to have a lot of free time and a lot of spare change to cover your legal expenses. Even if your lawyer cites the FAAs underlying safety rationale (i.e., smoking is prohibited in specific areas at all times to reduce the possibility of fire) for prohibiting smoking aboard commercial airliners, it will likely cost you a lot of time and money to fund your legal effort. And do you really want to become the first person to prove his actions were in keeping with the letter if not necessarily the spirit of the law as outlined in the above-referenced FAA regulation.
CONCLUSION: Until a much larger number of Americans including the FAA, the Department of Homeland Security and airline flight crew members become familiar with the CROWN 7 line of tobacco-free, smoke-free and flame-free electronic cigarettes, cigars and pipes, we recommend you take the following measures:
Light up your CROWN 7 only when youre on the ground; and if you cant go without your CROWN 7 for the length of time it would take your airline to get you to your next travel destination, drive your car. After all, youll probably pay less for high-priced gasoline than you will for a high-priced lawyer.
Are CROWN 7 Products Airworthy?
June 20, 2008
At CROWN 7, were accustomed to answering questions from people about our line of tobacco-free and smoke-free electronic cigarettes, cigars and pipes. A lot of questions. And, when were asked questions so often, it seems like we start to come up with a lot of questions of your own. Once in a while, those questions surface after reading news reports like the one below.
An unruly JetBlue passenger from Queens who lit up a cigarette mid-flight Tuesday forced the 145-passenger flight to be diverted after she became violent and uncooperative when asked to stop smoking. WCBSTV.com news report.
That news report prompted one CROWN 7 staffer to raise this question:
What might happen if an enthusiastic electronic cigarette aficionado took one of his tobacco-free, smoke-free and flame-free CROWN 7 cigarettes aboard a U.S. commercial passenger aircraft and started to use it?
DISCLAIMER: No one associated with CROWN 7 recommends you attempt to enjoy any CROWN 7 product while aboard a passenger airliner. If, however, you insist on doing so, we think you should understand the possible consequences of your actions. The list of possible consequences includes, but is not limited to, the following:
Youll probably get yourself into a heap of trouble. In trouble with who? you ask. First of all, with the airlines flight crew members. Most crew members in particular, the flight attendants will, like most members of the general public, be unfamiliar with the concept of electronic cigarettes and the fact that they are tobacco-free and smoke-free and, did we mention flame-free products which rely upon rechargeable batteries to function.
Youll probably need to hire yourself a good lawyer who may or may not be able to get you out of the above-mentioned heap of trouble. Why might I need a lawyer? you ask. Because, these days, everyone in the airline business treats people who break the rules or appear to be breaking the rules with iron fists. That means theyll probably take whatever actions are necessary up to and including having you arrested upon landing to prevent you from using your electronic cigarette.
Youll need to have a lot of free time and a lot of spare change to cover your legal expenses. Even if your lawyer cites the FAAs underlying safety rationale (i.e., smoking is prohibited in specific areas at all times to reduce the possibility of fire) for prohibiting smoking aboard commercial airliners, it will likely cost you a lot of time and money to fund your legal effort. And do you really want to become the first person to prove his actions were in keeping with the letter if not necessarily the spirit of the law as outlined in the above-referenced FAA regulation.
CONCLUSION: Until a much larger number of Americans including the FAA, the Department of Homeland Security and airline flight crew members become familiar with the CROWN 7 line of tobacco-free, smoke-free and flame-free electronic cigarettes, cigars and pipes, we recommend you take the following measures:
Light up your CROWN 7 only when youre on the ground; and if you cant go without your CROWN 7 for the length of time it would take your airline to get you to your next travel destination, drive your car. After all, youll probably pay less for high-priced gasoline than you will for a high-priced lawyer.
^^This from the guys who sold me on the idea that I can vape here, there, anywhere because its not smoking.
Kinda depressing.
Kinda depressing.
I am thoroughly disgusted at the sales pitches for our beloved e-devices. When I bought my first e-product, I actually believed these lies:
1. 'Smoke' anywhere. Not true. E-smoking anywhere outside your own home requires permission -- and it doesn't have to be granted. You can be individually banned anywhere by a property owner or authority. You have no "right" to e-smoke.
2. A safe alternative to cigarettes. Says who? Where are the long-term clinical trials to prove safety? Do we even know exactly how the liquid is made and what it contains? Safe? The answer can't be more than "maybe." The lack of knowledge doesn't support the claim of safety.
3. Step down and off cigarettes. From my experience, e-smoking is every bit as addictive as tobacco smoking. Few will succeed using this for quitting the addiction to nicotine. And nicotine is NOT a benign substance, as we addicts are learning.
4. Cartridge lasts as long as .... cigarettes. Bull.
5. And there's a kind of implication from most sellers that only cartridges need regular replacement. Boy, have we learned otherwise. We turn over the entire unit in a month or less!
Anytime the good slogan, Buyer Beware, pops up, we can be assured regulation in the consumer's name will follow.
1. 'Smoke' anywhere. Not true. E-smoking anywhere outside your own home requires permission -- and it doesn't have to be granted. You can be individually banned anywhere by a property owner or authority. You have no "right" to e-smoke.
2. A safe alternative to cigarettes. Says who? Where are the long-term clinical trials to prove safety? Do we even know exactly how the liquid is made and what it contains? Safe? The answer can't be more than "maybe." The lack of knowledge doesn't support the claim of safety.
3. Step down and off cigarettes. From my experience, e-smoking is every bit as addictive as tobacco smoking. Few will succeed using this for quitting the addiction to nicotine. And nicotine is NOT a benign substance, as we addicts are learning.
4. Cartridge lasts as long as .... cigarettes. Bull.
5. And there's a kind of implication from most sellers that only cartridges need regular replacement. Boy, have we learned otherwise. We turn over the entire unit in a month or less!
Anytime the good slogan, Buyer Beware, pops up, we can be assured regulation in the consumer's name will follow.
Great response TB, I couldn't have said it better. It is depressing knowing that the possibility of this being "accepted" is highly unlikely.
I can tell you that DHS as a whole has not been briefed on these devices. Let's just say I know someone who works for them and had no clue what my electronic cigarette was when they saw it.
That being said, there is a gel in the carts which may come across as suspicious when going thru the check points at the airport. I don't even know if I would carry e-cigs on my person. Has anyone had one in their purse or carry-on and been questioned (in the US)?
That being said, there is a gel in the carts which may come across as suspicious when going thru the check points at the airport. I don't even know if I would carry e-cigs on my person. Has anyone had one in their purse or carry-on and been questioned (in the US)?
Has ANYBODY on this forum taken an e-cig through U.S. airport security? Has anyone then sat on that airplane and smoked that e-cig? Gotta keep this thread alive until we have answers other than "I plan to ..."
more along the lines of, did anyone have the "balls" to do so ... lol
God knows if they confiscate it at any major international airport, you will be sitting in security for a good 3-4 hours, miss your flight, and God knows what else.
I would probably try it at a smaller airport first, then go for the bigger ones like LAX.
I E-Smoked in my health center today lol- out of sight of others though 
Thinking about maybe getting an E-Cigar, so no vapor comes out when exhaled- that way people won't know what the heck I'm doing & I'll get my fix without much fuss from others- will just have to make sure I don't accidently exhale before inhaling it htough lol
Thinking about maybe getting an E-Cigar, so no vapor comes out when exhaled- that way people won't know what the heck I'm doing & I'll get my fix without much fuss from others- will just have to make sure I don't accidently exhale before inhaling it htough lol
Got to find out what happens when a Janty KISSBox breezes through the airport x-ray machine, revealing a metal cylinder with wiring and a microchip and cartridge of some kind of liquid and a button to trigger it!
Imagine how delighted the security agent will be to see that ...
Imagine how delighted the security agent will be to see that ...
I had doc appt yesterday for an ear infection and as usual had to wait 20-30 min once I was called back to the examining room. I was reading a book and misting away when he walked in. He just about fell over when I exhaled a huge cloud of vapor just as he walked in the door. I was using the super-mini so it looked like a cig.
I took it apart and showed him how it worked. Then I puffed a couple of times to make a huge cloud right in his face. I said "you don't smell anything do you? Nothing like a real cigarette at all. No smoke, no nasty smell, no fire, just water vapor that disappears into thin air."
He laughed and said he had gotten a very faint whiff of something vaguely fruity but it was probably his imagination. I said nope, it was pina colada (I used Bickford's to fill the cart before I left home). Then I pulled out the second mini -- vanilla flavor. He was fascinated, to say the least.
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I took it apart and showed him how it worked. Then I puffed a couple of times to make a huge cloud right in his face. I said "you don't smell anything do you? Nothing like a real cigarette at all. No smoke, no nasty smell, no fire, just water vapor that disappears into thin air."
He laughed and said he had gotten a very faint whiff of something vaguely fruity but it was probably his imagination. I said nope, it was pina colada (I used Bickford's to fill the cart before I left home). Then I pulled out the second mini -- vanilla flavor. He was fascinated, to say the least.
~VP~
I came back from CT today, we flew out there last week wednesday.
I had my e-cig in my purse.
There was no problem what so ever.
I don't know why there should be a problem, unless you pack a lot of juice of course.
I did use it on the plane after we landed, my husband scolded me, LOL, but nobody payed any attention.
It was nice to have it, because when we had to switch planes we sat somewhere to grab something to eat.
The bartender knew about the e-cig, his father in law uses it, so I "smoked" right there in the bar, he did not care.
I had my e-cig in my purse.
There was no problem what so ever.
I don't know why there should be a problem, unless you pack a lot of juice of course.
I did use it on the plane after we landed, my husband scolded me, LOL, but nobody payed any attention.
It was nice to have it, because when we had to switch planes we sat somewhere to grab something to eat.
The bartender knew about the e-cig, his father in law uses it, so I "smoked" right there in the bar, he did not care.
Without going into great detail ... if airlines won't let bottled liquids on board, won't let a Zippo lighter through security, won't let even a book of collectible matches fly with a passenger, why should they let something that could easily be a trigger-controlled, incendiary device? Battery-powered, liquid-filled, microchip-controlled, heater element, manual switch button. I'm amazed you made it past any security, Sanneke. It just shows how vulnerable we remain post-911. Security is an illusion.
I travel with my Janty Kissbox Classic Matte Black the whole time, through the most tough airport securities. I never ever got stopped, the only thing they took from me once was a lighter!
One Kiss Classic is always in my computer bag when I go through customs check, the other parts are disassembled and go with my bathroom stuff in the big suitcase.
I ALWAYS inhale* EVERYWHERE, be it airports, planes, bars, even at the embassy or ministry of health ha! No one's ever stopped me from inhaling!
*I keep the vapor as long as possible inside, then exhale (no visible vapor). Anyone asks me a question I tell them its my asthma inhaler
I can understand though if you smoke the mini cigarette... you'll have some explaining to do.
One Kiss Classic is always in my computer bag when I go through customs check, the other parts are disassembled and go with my bathroom stuff in the big suitcase.
I ALWAYS inhale* EVERYWHERE, be it airports, planes, bars, even at the embassy or ministry of health ha! No one's ever stopped me from inhaling!
*I keep the vapor as long as possible inside, then exhale (no visible vapor). Anyone asks me a question I tell them its my asthma inhaler
I can understand though if you smoke the mini cigarette... you'll have some explaining to do.
I travel by air frequently and always carry various models of e-cigs in my handbag. My bag has been searched a couple of times but the problem picked up by the x-ray machine was caused by something else in my bag (egg mayonnaise last time) I don't think e-cigs are particularly visible during x-ray. I am keeping a lookout for any e-smokers on board as I don't yet have the courage anywhere except for in the loos.
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