I was recently in a similar position. And I ordered a provari for one main reason. In most cases of people buying other mods they usually end up getting a provari later on. mods like vamo or evic are usually stepping stones towards a provari. I am very happy with my purchase and I doubt you'd be disappointed.
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I think the evic gets a lot of press that is just plain inaccurate on both sides of the "debate." The evic has both unique strengths and unique weaknesses. By focusing on only one part of the debate, you can easily come to the conclusion that the evic is either the greatest thing since sliced bread, or the worst APV ever created. The truth actually lies somewhere in between. The evic has some definite pluses:
Pros
1. The display may be the best in the marketplace. A click of the button as you see the battery level graphically displayed, the resistance of the coil, the variable voltage setting, and the variable wattage. Other displays could learn from this display and the instant information in those areas can save you about 30 clicks on other APV's.
2. The menu system gives you more control than any other APV. You can control whether vv or vw, and even set preprogrammed vaping durations with different settings. You can select whether manual or automatic. You can set a puff counter. You can set various alarms, including temperature alarms (in either F/C). You can set how long the display screen or the device stays on. You can display the date and time, the puff counter, or the power and resistance to display on the screen. You can set the device to sleep, to stealth, to power off. You can add identification, such as your name to the device. Most of these settings are not available on other APV's.
3. Because the device has a usb connection, not only for charging, but also as an interface with your computer, you can upgrade the software, upload and download information, set several variable vaping sequence power programs, etc. Version 1.0 software was awful, but version 1.2 was a game changer. I know of no other device that has this capability.
4. Power is adjustable up or down with the turn of a ring on the device. You can round robin. You can auto scroll. Many prefer it to + and - buttons, and most APV's don't even have those. You can change the display by holding the ring hard left, or change the mode by holding it hard right. I have never heard of one breaking, though certainly any moving part can break.
5. The connection provides for both a 510 or an ego connection. The drip well will hold the very wide MT3s. Many APV's do not provide an ego connection including the Provari and the iTaste MPV. Sure you can get adapters, but they look stupid imho, and I've seen plenty of folks make fun of an evod atop a Provari on ECF.
6. It has variable power. Closer to set and forget than just variable voltage. Not perfect, but very helpful to the noob, and when changing heads frequently.
7. You can replace the standard silver tube with different colors, or even shorter tubes. The bOd by Leo and the Kir Fanis evic provide after market telescoping tubes, if you can find them. You can also find wraps for the evic, such as J-Wraps (eVic) allowing a great deal of personal customization.
8. The evic has a ohm meter which devices such as the iTaste MVP do not have, and certainly no ego/stick battery, other than the iTaste 3.0, can claim. While I have and can use a multimeter, I consider an ohm reader a minimum requirement for my APV's. Certainly all variable power APV's must have them.
9. While many people make fun of the puff counter, and opponents cite this feature as an unnecessary "bells and whistles" feature, one they use to poo-poo the evic, you don't have to use it, but I'd rather have it and not need it versus not have it, and some will find it useful, such as those that want to reduce their nicotine and vaping dependence, an admirable goal.
10. The evic is aluminum, so if you're looking for a light weight device, the evic fits the bill nicely. My wife, in particular, doesn't like my heavier Provari and prefers the weight of the evic. Personally, I'm the other way around. Give me stainless or give me death, a famous patriot once said, or something like that.
Anyway, there are many other features of the evic, but a top ten list seems more than enough for review and consideration purposes. If you only focus on the Pros, then one must conclude that this is one of the best APV's in the marketplace, perhaps the most feature rich and "best" APV out there. I used to think so. I have three evics. Was my favorite APV when I first started vaping, but not anymore.
Cons
1. Is there a more delicate APV out there? I don't think so. The eVic does not survive drops and the lead connections will often not survive them either. I have had to repair my three eVic's four times now. In the process, I've had to learn to solder, because they vendors won't repair them, and the local boys want about the price of a replacement head to fix them.
2. Until recently, the heads are press fitted poorly into the device. While I don't advocate putting APV's in a pocket, I did...and found the top came off and ripped out the lead wire connections, which I had to re-solder (see number one above).
3. The puff counter is useless to me. Don't use it, don't need it, don't want it, and one of the reasons a lot of other folks make fun about the eVic and it's so called, "bells and whistles."
4. Quality wise, it's on the light side with it's aluminum tubes. I like stainless steel. Heavy, durable, manly. While mine have held up fine, doesn't feel like quality device.
5. Until firmware 1.2 came out, I had to say that the software was not very good.
6. This is an expensive APV. About $100 retail, though you can find the kits for about $75 now.
7. A lot of people don't like the adjustment ring below the screen. Heard everything from difficult to use, to wobbly, to cheap, to it changes accidentally all the time. Personally, mine don't rattle and work fine, but I do make inadvertant adjustments. Wattage does adjust in .1 watt increments, though, and I should have mentioned this in the Pros section.
8. The eVic doesn't seem to like all batteries. Seems to work best with flat tops, but even then they seem to get "dented." Denting in any way on a battery is NOT GOOD. The batts are the most sensitive part of any APV and anything that might damage them is a very, very bad thing.
9. The cover on the usb connection does not function correctly. At first, fine. After a few times of lifting off this little cheap plastic cover, you cannot put the darn thing back in there. Maybe if I take 10 minutes of fiddling I can sometimes get it to go back, but not always. Maybe it's like a secret handshake or something, and I'm not initiated yet. I've had to tear all three of mine off, because it looks dumb just hanging there. Now I have an exposed usb connection. Not Good. Eventually, I'm going to get something foreign in there that my eVic is not going to like.
10. The menu is complicated. Yes, the functionality is awesome, but at the expense of complication. You cannot pick up an eVic and intuitively figure it out very easily. This thing has menus, submenus, submenus of submenus, etc. Why do I need to select Farenheit? For what alarm? Why? What would be a prudent setting? It's complicated as I say. Many hate the eVic for this reason. I learned it and got over it.
11. The usb interface is not that easy to use either. Plug in and then turn on Program, or the other way around? Try again. Which way? How? There's just a big learning curve here. Why does it ask my age? It gets worse.
12. Some think the eVic is underpowered at only 5 volts.
If you just look at the Cons, maybe you come to the conclusion that the eVic is just junk. Personally, I like the concept and the potential of the eVic better than the actuality of the eVic. That being said, it has been in my rotation since the beginning, and there are just as many things to like, as not to like. It's all about personal preference and what you're willing to enjoy or put up with. To each their own. My two cents. Happy vaping, Power up and Vape On!
I think the evic gets a lot of press that is just plain inaccurate on both sides of the "debate." The evic has both unique strengths and unique weaknesses. By focusing on only one part of the debate, you can easily come to the conclusion that the evic is either the greatest thing since sliced bread, or the worst APV ever created. The truth actually lies somewhere in between. The evic has some definite pluses:
Pros
1. The display may be the best in the marketplace. A click of the button as you see the battery level graphically displayed, the resistance of the coil, the variable voltage setting, and the variable wattage. Other displays could learn from this display and the instant information in those areas can save you about 30 clicks on other APV's.
2. The menu system gives you more control than any other APV. You can control whether vv or vw, and even set preprogrammed vaping durations with different settings. You can select whether manual or automatic. You can set a puff counter. You can set various alarms, including temperature alarms (in either F/C). You can set how long the display screen or the device stays on. You can display the date and time, the puff counter, or the power and resistance to display on the screen. You can set the device to sleep, to stealth, to power off. You can add identification, such as your name to the device. Most of these settings are not available on other APV's.
3. Because the device has a usb connection, not only for charging, but also as an interface with your computer, you can upgrade the software, upload and download information, set several variable vaping sequence power programs, etc. Version 1.0 software was awful, but version 1.2 was a game changer. I know of no other device that has this capability.
4. Power is adjustable up or down with the turn of a ring on the device. You can round robin. You can auto scroll. Many prefer it to + and - buttons, and most APV's don't even have those. You can change the display by holding the ring hard left, or change the mode by holding it hard right. I have never heard of one breaking, though certainly any moving part can break.
5. The connection provides for both a 510 or an ego connection. The drip well will hold the very wide MT3s. Many APV's do not provide an ego connection including the Provari and the iTaste MPV. Sure you can get adapters, but they look stupid imho, and I've seen plenty of folks make fun of an evod atop a Provari on ECF.
6. It has variable power. Closer to set and forget than just variable voltage. Not perfect, but very helpful to the noob, and when changing heads frequently.
7. You can replace the standard silver tube with different colors, or even shorter tubes. The bOd by Leo and the Kir Fanis evic provide after market telescoping tubes, if you can find them. You can also find wraps for the evic, such as J-Wraps (eVic) allowing a great deal of personal customization.
8. The evic has a ohm meter which devices such as the iTaste MVP do not have, and certainly no ego/stick battery, other than the iTaste 3.0, can claim. While I have and can use a multimeter, I consider an ohm reader a minimum requirement for my APV's. Certainly all variable power APV's must have them.
9. While many people make fun of the puff counter, and opponents cite this feature as an unnecessary "bells and whistles" feature, one they use to poo-poo the evic, you don't have to use it, but I'd rather have it and not need it versus not have it, and some will find it useful, such as those that want to reduce their nicotine and vaping dependence, an admirable goal.
10. The evic is aluminum, so if you're looking for a light weight device, the evic fits the bill nicely. My wife, in particular, doesn't like my heavier Provari and prefers the weight of the evic. Personally, I'm the other way around. Give me stainless or give me death, a famous patriot once said, or something like that.
Anyway, there are many other features of the evic, but a top ten list seems more than enough for review and consideration purposes. If you only focus on the Pros, then one must conclude that this is one of the best APV's in the marketplace, perhaps the most feature rich and "best" APV out there. I used to think so. I have three evics. Was my favorite APV when I first started vaping, but not anymore.
Cons
1. Is there a more delicate APV out there? I don't think so. The eVic does not survive drops and the lead connections will often not survive them either. I have had to repair my three eVic's four times now. In the process, I've had to learn to solder, because they vendors won't repair them, and the local boys want about the price of a replacement head to fix them.
2. Until recently, the heads are press fitted poorly into the device. While I don't advocate putting APV's in a pocket, I did...and found the top came off and ripped out the lead wire connections, which I had to re-solder (see number one above).
3. The puff counter is useless to me. Don't use it, don't need it, don't want it, and one of the reasons a lot of other folks make fun about the eVic and it's so called, "bells and whistles."
4. Quality wise, it's on the light side with it's aluminum tubes. I like stainless steel. Heavy, durable, manly. While mine have held up fine, doesn't feel like quality device.
5. Until firmware 1.2 came out, I had to say that the software was not very good.
6. This is an expensive APV. About $100 retail, though you can find the kits for about $75 now.
7. A lot of people don't like the adjustment ring below the screen. Heard everything from difficult to use, to wobbly, to cheap, to it changes accidentally all the time. Personally, mine don't rattle and work fine, but I do make inadvertant adjustments. Wattage does adjust in .1 watt increments, though, and I should have mentioned this in the Pros section.
8. The eVic doesn't seem to like all batteries. Seems to work best with flat tops, but even then they seem to get "dented." Denting in any way on a battery is NOT GOOD. The batts are the most sensitive part of any APV and anything that might damage them is a very, very bad thing.
9. The cover on the usb connection does not function correctly. At first, fine. After a few times of lifting off this little cheap plastic cover, you cannot put the darn thing back in there. Maybe if I take 10 minutes of fiddling I can sometimes get it to go back, but not always. Maybe it's like a secret handshake or something, and I'm not initiated yet. I've had to tear all three of mine off, because it looks dumb just hanging there. Now I have an exposed usb connection. Not Good. Eventually, I'm going to get something foreign in there that my eVic is not going to like.
10. The menu is complicated. Yes, the functionality is awesome, but at the expense of complication. You cannot pick up an eVic and intuitively figure it out very easily. This thing has menus, submenus, submenus of submenus, etc. Why do I need to select Farenheit? For what alarm? Why? What would be a prudent setting? It's complicated as I say. Many hate the eVic for this reason. I learned it and got over it.
11. The usb interface is not that easy to use either. Plug in and then turn on Program, or the other way around? Try again. Which way? How? There's just a big learning curve here. Why does it ask my age? It gets worse.
12. Some think the eVic is underpowered at only 5 volts.
If you just look at the Cons, maybe you come to the conclusion that the eVic is just junk. Personally, I like the concept and the potential of the eVic better than the actuality of the eVic. That being said, it has been in my rotation since the beginning, and there are just as many things to like, as not to like. It's all about personal preference and what you're willing to enjoy or put up with. To each their own. My two cents. Happy vaping, Power up and Vape On!
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I bought a liter of unflavored 50/50/24 mg, some concentrated flavorings, some 30 ml dropper bottles, and have some good cigars to DIY tobacco extraction. Got juice covered for awhile.
If you have the money, just buy the provari. It will be the last PV you ever need to buy.
Thanks guys! so much great advice! .... And still so much to consider! LOL Did everyone feel like this when buying their next gen PV?
I must say I am really impressed with what I am reading about the durability from the Provari, the e-vic sounds great but I would hate for it to break and even though it has a warranty I would be without a device. Perhaps in a year orso the e-vic has some improvements that might make it a better device for me. I just need something that works.
I guess now I have some reading up to do on Tanks (thanks Bill!)
Would there be anything else I need to pay attention to with my purchase?
Again thanks for all the great advice! What a great forum
I must say I am really impressed with what I am reading about the durability from the Provari, the e-vic sounds great but I would hate for it to break and even though it has a warranty I would be without a device. Perhaps in a year orso the e-vic has some improvements that might make it a better device for me. I just need something that works.
I guess now I have some reading up to do on Tanks (thanks Bill!)
Would there be anything else I need to pay attention to with my purchase?
Again thanks for all the great advice! What a great forum
With all the stuff I have laying around there are still three PV's that stand head & shoulders above all the rest. Each is a very different animal for different pastures.
Silver Bullet ... Altsmoke.com
Provari ... Provape.com
Reo ... Reosmods.com
Those three have stood the test of time with CS & QC that no one else can match.
These all look absolutely stunning!
Yep and 1/2 of it is out dated or subjective.
All new evic have modified head, Way less fragile.
All new Evic have latest Firmware
Menu selection is no different than learning your cell phone. Some just can't. Some Provari owners complain about menu access
Did not want to get into an eVic debate here and will not.
That said - Got mine (both) 1-4-13. Have knocked over/dropped/ flipped of kitchen counter dozens of times. Both are still 100% NO Damage. Arthritis in both hands and constantly knocking them down just trying to pick up - no problems.
These are Both production Version 1. one came with v1.0 the other v1.1 firmware.
Want to guess at eVic sales vs. failures?
Acceptable production failure rate industry wide?
Again, as to best of the best in production APV, I believe Provari #1 closely followed by eVic #2 and a host battling for a slightly distant #3
Since I have no plans to run over the eVic and have Arthritis, I prefer the lighter feel of the aluminum Tube(though strong) as opposed to a heavy Steel Tube. Manly my .....
Thanks guys! so much great advice! .... And still so much to consider! LOL Did everyone feel like this when buying their next gen PV?
I must say I am really impressed with what I am reading about the durability from the Provari, the e-vic sounds great but I would hate for it to break and even though it has a warranty I would be without a device. Perhaps in a year orso the e-vic has some improvements that might make it a better device for me. I just need something that works.
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I guess now I have some reading up to do on Tanks (thanks Bill!)
Would there be anything else I need to pay attention to with my purchase?
Again thanks for all the great advice! What a great forum
You should check out the Sigelei Zmax. You can get them for around $50-$60 and they are Sigelei's try to clone the Provari. They are more solidly built than the Vamo and are telescoping, so you have more battery options.
I have an itaste MVP as my back up...that bad boy is reliable. I also got an evic because the provari was just too expensive for me and I wanted to spend my extra money on tons of juices and accessories.
The difference is the width of the modulation pulse. (cycles per second). This makes the Provari far more accurate.
This wasn't mentioned, but the eVic has an even higher converter frequency than the Provari (100+ kHz vs 80 kHz). I've read posts from several Provari owners alleging to be able to taste an improvement between their converter frequency and the rattlesnake 33 Hz of less expensive PVs. If that's the case, I'd think they'd find the eVic better tasting.
With reference to the OP, it's a Provari for my dollars. That or a nice high end mech.
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I have a eVic with a bOd by leo. I have read a lot of things about how fragile and underpowered it is. Do not agree.
In my mind the "tough" thing is not a priority. It's the same thing at the mobile phone. Don't need to be water proof or survive from a drop. If it drops and brakes it's MY fault not evic's. I 've read about many problems for provari also. Not from a drop but from other reasons.
Watt, nice packaging (the price includes battery and charger), oled screen with many info, statistical info at the pc, variable voltage or wattage during each vape, usb passthrough, good price are things that provari doesn't have.
Here in Greece at the price of ONE provari you get the evic (battery and charger), the ss bOd by leo, second evic head (in case the one brakes), second battery and table charger. So no question (for me) what is the "clever" buy.
On the other hand, many says provari give you a vape that cannot compare with any other mod. There are others who say that they cannot fell any difference. It's a personal taste of course. If anyone needs more than the 2.5 ambers (or 5 volts. Whichever comes first) that the evic can deliver then he must go for a provari or DNA20 or mech.
P.s.: as mentioned before the innokin svd is a good alternative to evic. Have seen it in my hands. Good quality. Telescopic and ss. But you must buy battery and charger. The box contains only the mod.
In my mind the "tough" thing is not a priority. It's the same thing at the mobile phone. Don't need to be water proof or survive from a drop. If it drops and brakes it's MY fault not evic's. I 've read about many problems for provari also. Not from a drop but from other reasons.
Watt, nice packaging (the price includes battery and charger), oled screen with many info, statistical info at the pc, variable voltage or wattage during each vape, usb passthrough, good price are things that provari doesn't have.
Here in Greece at the price of ONE provari you get the evic (battery and charger), the ss bOd by leo, second evic head (in case the one brakes), second battery and table charger. So no question (for me) what is the "clever" buy.
On the other hand, many says provari give you a vape that cannot compare with any other mod. There are others who say that they cannot fell any difference. It's a personal taste of course. If anyone needs more than the 2.5 ambers (or 5 volts. Whichever comes first) that the evic can deliver then he must go for a provari or DNA20 or mech.
P.s.: as mentioned before the innokin svd is a good alternative to evic. Have seen it in my hands. Good quality. Telescopic and ss. But you must buy battery and charger. The box contains only the mod.
I definitely respect your opinions and read your posts with anticipation. I do agree with you the "New" eVic (this has happened several times now), does have two screws in the top head to fix the fact that when dropped or knocked down, the head won't pop off and tear out the lead connections. My last eVic was purchased about a month ago. It still had the missing two screws, and did break when knocked over on my granite counter top. This is a fact and an actual experience, and is not subjective. Similar things happened to ME three other occasions on two different eVic's. I'm glad to hear that this has not happened to you, because they were a pain in the .... to fix, and I had to learn to solder myself, because not one single vendor would help me out, so customer service sucks on these devices as far as warranty. See, when I knock it over and it breaks, it's not covered by warranty. How is that you think I ended up with three of them? Because they worked and weren't broken. These are my actual experiences and YMMV. Yes, they are delicate. By the way, the one month old eVic did not have version 1.3 installed on it. Yes, it was outdated. We all know that the new ones should correct the problem and should have the lastest firmware, but the dealers are loaded with the old ones, selling them at a discount, and they have their issues. So, if I buy retail, I can probably get the latest edition, but if I get a super deal, like I did, I got the old one. I just think that people who are out there spending their hard earned money need to know what the experiences of others are. I'm delighted that you've had a better experience, I wish I had. Still love your posts and respect your opinion, but I think your "manly, my ...." comment was unfair. I clearly pointed out in the Pros Section:
Had you read the entire review, I don't think you would have been as defensive, as you were. I sincerely provided my actual real world, life experiences which I provided as my legitimate and honest two cents.
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