E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[v1John]

Quick1 mentioned silicone, see, really calling it glue can be misleading. If they get an email saying no glue then that means silicone would be ok. Don't they insulate high temp. wires with silicone too?

There are not only the slots either, for leaking, but the wire holes too, they are on the back of the cup, away from the vaper.


The regular cartos co not use anything but what looks like a grommet, and they also have a stem. They should be built using the regular carto shells. The stems are short, but they can easily put longer ones and then the cup. The cup can have a metal cap-ring that holds it in place permanently too.

 

[v1John]

e-liquid also sells the regular filler cartos, I wonder how those are made?
I would think they use the grommet, not the putty, but I really do not know for a fact.
It also makes me wonder if they use their wick material in place of the filler material? Can they be totally different? Or else who makes those, Kanger? Microcig? Joye? ...

 

[br5495]

Quick1 mentioned silicone, see, really calling it glue can be misleading. If they get an email saying no glue then that means silicone would be ok. Don't they insulate high temp. wires with silicone too?

There are not only the slots either, for leaking, but the wire holes too, they are on the back of the cup, away from the vaper.


The regular cartos co not use anything but what looks like a grommet, and they also have a stem. They should be built using the regular carto shells. The stems are short, but they can easily put longer ones and then the cup. The cup can have a metal cap-ring that holds it in place permanently too.

The stuff at the bottom of mine looks like it could be silicone. I did not put a name to it because I had no way to analyze it. The other stuff looks like glue. I did not analyze it either.

Yes, high temp silicone insulation is used for some applications. So is a woven tube or spaghetti that is made out of the same material as the wick in these cartomizers.

The bottom of the cup has holes for the wire. Any liquid that leaks through these holes will go back in the reservoir.

A "regular carto shell" cannot be used for an E2. A regular cartomizer has filler to retain the liquid. If you remove the filler, a Joye 510 will hold about 4 or 5 drops of juice. Anything more than that will leak. I use one of these for dripping.

 

[v1John]

...A "regular carto shell" cannot be used for an E2. A regular cartomizer has filler to retain the liquid. If you remove the filler, a Joye 510 will hold about 4 or 5 drops of juice. Anything more than that will leak. I use one of these for dripping.

But will it leak because the wind tunnel is too short and the 6th drop goes out the wind tunnel?


Or because the grommet knows when the 6th drop is in ?


Is the wind tunnel stem perforated under the microscope?

 

[badkolo]

But will it leak because the wind tunnel is too short and the 6th drop goes out the wind tunnel?


Or because the grommet knows when the 6th drop is in ?


Is the wind tunnel stem perforated under the microscope?

thats what id like to know

 

[br5495]

But will it leak because the wind tunnel is too short and the 6th drop goes out the wind tunnel?


Or because the grommet knows when the 6th drop is in ?


Is the wind tunnel stem perforated under the microscope?

It's been a while since I took one of the old cartomizers apart, therefore I don't remember seeing anything in the area of the grommet that was sealed. I just know that my old cartomizers with a horizontal coil will leak with 6 drops if there is no filler. The cartomizers with a vertical coil will hold a few more drops.

If the stem you refer to is for the cartomizer I use for dripping, it is a woven mesh tube that goes from the grommet to the horizontal coil. It acts as a primary wick and also as an air passage.

A metal tube is used for an E2 instead of the woven mesh. It appears to be sweated into the center post of the threaded fitting. It does not require a grommet for the wires because they are soldered inside the reservoir.

 

[BanjoMan]

I'm surprised Scottbee was so luke-warm on these. I assume he didn't get the more "fragrant" version because he didn't mention a glue taste or smell. Barring that I can't see how he rated the taste as just "ok" compared to standard cartos. For me the difference was like night and day.

 

[br5495]

I'm surprised Scottbee was so luke-warm on these. I assume he didn't get the more "fragrant" version because he didn't mention a glue taste or smell. Barring that I can't see how he rated the taste as just "ok" compared to standard cartos. For me the difference was like night and day.

Different smokes for different folks is all I can say.

 

[BanjoMan]

My biggest worry right now is that they're going to screw up my XL order. They showed my last order shipped as the larger XL one, but I got the smaller 808D-1 order instead. I tried my best to make them understand what happened (even sent pictures of what I received including a scan of the wrong packing list), and they *seem* to understand, but I dunno. If they mess that up I'll be hard-pressed to place another $200 order just to get what I should already have coming.

 

[br5495]

My biggest worry right now is that they're going to screw up my XL order. They showed my last order shipped as the larger XL one, but I got the smaller 808D-1 order instead. I tried my best to make them understand what happened (even sent pictures of what I received including a scan of the wrong packing list), and they *seem* to understand, but I dunno. If they mess that up I'll be hard-pressed to place another $200 order just to get what I should already have coming.

From what I gather, it seems that they understand what they *want* to understand and will tell you anything in hopes that your complaints will go away.

 

[ChuckB]

A little off topic but would like to make comment about the life span of these cartos.

I just cleaned three of the cartos that I've had in rotation for a couple of weeks and they've started tasting burnt. Only difference this time is I soaked them in PGA after a quick dry burn. I did notice on one of them the cup was deformed a little. Ususally I just do a hot water rinse, dry burn, another rinse, let dry, refill and use. This time I must have done the dry burn too long, but seems odd that I'd do it on all three, or PGA breaks something down. The taste is definitely burnt, like dry wick not chemically like burning glue or plastic.

All in all I like how well these hold up. One of the three had been in use for at least a week with no maintenance at all, just refill each night. I've never gotten any where close to this kind of life out of the older cartos, usually 3 or 4 days at best.

I've got a couple left, but think I'm going to wait until a vendor has the ceramics in stock and tackle those next. Now, if someone would start making the new ones threaded for the 801, I'd be set.

 

[br5495]

A little off topic but would like to make comment about the life span of these cartos.

I just cleaned three of the cartos that I've had in rotation for a couple of weeks and they've started tasting burnt. Only difference this time is I soaked them in PGA after a quick dry burn. I did notice on one of them the cup was deformed a little. Ususally I just do a hot water rinse, dry burn, another rinse, let dry, refill and use. This time I must have done the dry burn too long, but seems odd that I'd do it on all three, or PGA breaks something down. The taste is definitely burnt, like dry wick not chemically like burning glue or plastic.

All in all I like how well these hold up. One of the three had been in use for at least a week with no maintenance at all, just refill each night. I've never gotten any where close to this kind of life out of the older cartos, usually 3 or 4 days at best.

I've got a couple left, but think I'm going to wait until a vendor has the ceramics in stock and tackle those next. Now, if someone would start making the new ones threaded for the 801, I'd be set.

Chuck, this probably does not apply to your situation, but I feel like I at least need to mention it. Anytime mine does not taste right, the first thing I check is the battery fitting. The E2's draw air across the center battery post, and if there is any crud between it and the outer thread body, it will ruin the taste of my juice.

 

[br5495]

The leak I was getting on one of my E2's was because it was wicking too much. This one has narrow slots in the plastic cup, so this was not expected. However, it only wicks too much with the plastic filler ring removed. I don't know why. The ones with a wider slot have not done that.

I put the plastic filler ring in and it did not wick enough for heavy vaping. Then I replaced the filler ring with a rubber mouthpiece and everything worked fine. I did NOT replace the filler ring with the slightly damaged mouthpiece that I had burned as a test. Dumb me. Problem solved.

All was not in vain though. This error caused me to investigate the sealing compound in the bottom of the reservoir. More about that in another post.

 

[bassthumper]

COV has them in stock FYI
Ordered a bunch of them.

 

[br5495]

I think I know why the white stuff in the bottom of the reservoir is there. Without it, the only thing supporting the complete assembly inside the cartridge would be the silicone insulating grommet inside the threaded fitting. Among other things, this means that everything inside would move and possibly turn each time it was screwed on a battery.

On the one I opened up, my guess is that the white stuff is silicone. It fills the entire cavity. It could not be removed without taking some of the insulating grommet with it. Now I can see how it would be easy to set the center post inside the fitting at a different depth.

 

[naviathan]

COV has them in stock FYI
Ordered a bunch of them.

Got a link?

 

[Turbo]

Clouds of Vapor. They only have a limited number.

I was going to order but see their 808 versions are the low ohm. I'm going to hold out for the higher ohms.

 

[naviathan]

The only ones I see available there are not the E2 cartos. They're regular filler cartos.

 

[Turbo]

510 CE2 ceramics and 808 CE2 ceramics.

Edit: They could be sold out already, they only had a dozen 510's and half that in 808's... Probably were samples?

 

[tiburonfirst]

sold out

he had 15 packs of 510 and even less of the 808s, seems all of them sold within 2 hrs