Ecigs Worse than Cigarettes Says Local Man

[Anjaffm]

All the media - print and television - lately seem hell bent on promoting the idea that e-cigarettes are dangerous. Since the FDA issued it's proposed deeming regs, I see this even more. I suspect that's where the public gets its information about the dangers of vaping.

Exactly. Anything to keep the tobacco gravy train rolling. There are a lot of parasites feeding on that gravy train.

Unfortunately, I don't think the vaping industry or CASAA has the money to run an ad campaign documenting the real facts related to e-cigarettes or publicizing the scientific data which backs up the beneficial health impact of vaping vs. cigarette smoking. So I have no idea how the truth about vaping will ever become public knowledge.

This is where vapers come in.
We can support CASAA. Whatever we wish to give.
And - in our immediate lives - we all have friends, family, colleagues. When somebody asks, give a short explanation. When somebody gives you a stupid comment, parroting the lies in the media, reply. The "tax coffers" reply was coined by a vaping colleague of mine. It always works. And if the person who made the comment is intelligent, then follow up with a few short sentences.

Like:
1. The smoke of a tobacco cigarette contains approx. 2000 substances, approx. 40 of which are said to cause cancer.
2. The vapor of this little device contains exactly five substances (hold up your hand, it has five fingers ), none of which are said to cause cancer.

- smile -

All that is in this here is (count on fingers) propylene glycol - found in toothpaste and medical inhalers, vegetable glycerin - already grandma used it on her hands - , destilled water, food flavoring and nicotine, if you want it. I want it.

- smile -

I have not smoked for two years (or your number) now. I only use this. (hold up device). And I can breathe again. It is lovely.

- smile -

..
I had such a conversation with an intelligent but uninformed person the other day. Who said exactly the same "those are worse than smoking". It took about 2 minutes for him to understand precisely what I was saying. And to agree. Like I said, the person was intelligent and not usually one for parrotting propaganda. He just did not know better. He does now

Intelligent people: educate
Stupid people: do the tax coffers reply. Grin. Maybe add that the government would love to collect all these cigarette taxes. And we all know that the government controls the media. (everybody hates Big Government and taxes). Walk away.

/edit:
This happened at a friend's house.
I am pleased to "report" that - at the same house - two smokers (husband and wife) were very interested in my PV. I gave them Anja's short explanation the first time - and fixed the husband one to use, he loved it.
Well, when I visited again, I was "ordered" to bring my vaping gear, as these two guests were coming again, and they wanted more detailed info. Well, they got that info -and one each PV to use during the visit. This time the wife tried it too and liked it.
- They ordered some nice equipment now and started vaping last Sunday.

 

[Blind Squirrel]

As if we needed more proof - more proof that the well orchestrated propaganda campaign is working. A similar disinformation campaign resulted in the criminalization of a well known herbal substance that is only now being slowly undone after decades. I would bet money that despite all our efforts history will repeat itself. I'll also bet there are many present in this forum who still believe the propaganda spread by that earlier campaign.

The method has proven itself extremely effective in the past. It will again.

Sad but true. Popular opinion can defeat knowledge. But eventually knowledge makes a come back and the deceit is exposed.

 

[Fitzie]

Maybe they should start a fund just for that -- instead of contributing to a large (?) and nebulous organization, you contribute to the fund for a massive PR campaign.

???

Andria

Actually, I think CASAA is a rather small organization staffed by volunteers. With all they have on their plate lately, I'm amazed at how much they're able to do with regard to combating the relentless assault on vaping from all quarters. I'd urge all vapers to forego another "shiny" and contribute to CASAA. I did. I'm still new at vaping, but I feel it's important to fund their efforts as I'm not aware of another organization with their experience, savvy or commitment to vapers' rights. And I sure as heck don't want to be left with the lousy alternatives if vaping is legislated into oblivion. They didn't work the first time around and I'm not planning on ever smoking another analog. It there are other organizations, please forgive my ignorance.

 

[Anjaffm]

Actually, I think CASAA is a rather small organization staffed by volunteers. With all they have on their plate lately, I'm amazed at how much they're able to do with regard to combating the relentless assault on vaping from all quarters. I'd urge all vapers to forego another "shiny" and contribute to CASAA. I did. I'm still new at vaping, but I feel it's important to fund their efforts as I'm not aware of another organization with their experience, savvy or commitment to vapers' rights. And I sure as heck don't want to be left with the lousy alternatives if vaping is legislated into oblivion. They didn't work the first time around and I'm not planning on ever smoking another analog. It there are other organizations, please forgive my ignorance.

May I give you a hug? *HUG*
Thank you!

I am a member as well and made a contribution. Even though I am in Germany.
The US vapers helped us in Europe make a noise against that horrible European Union and its mercenary bureaucrats. It is only fair that we help them. We are all in the same boat.

(I do not carry the CASAA signature. Because I can be very outspoken. Very outspoken indeed. And my opinions are my personal opinions, and my personal opinions only. I do not wish to give anybody an excuse to hold my personal opinions against CASAA because I wear their banner. And yes, that has been tried, With other members.)

 

[HoseGarden]

Ecigs Worse than Cigarettes Says LOCO Man

there, i fixed the headline

 

[zoiDman]

I heard that ecigs were worse than cigarettes!

Do you know why that guy Thinks that Way? Because the Media is Beating the Living Snit Out of Us Everyday with Skewed Articles and Junk Science.

Check this Out...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/563140-cdc-tv-ad-2-500-dirty-trick.html

The CDC is going to Put Together a TV Ad with a Bunch of Ex-Smokers who have Cancer. And Now Use e-Cigarettes. (Gee, I wonder what type of Slant that they are Going to Put on e-Cigarette Use?)

I'm sure the Ad will be Seen by Tens of Millions. And Ya know what the Funny Part Is?

Nobody seems to Care.

Sometimes I think we Deserve what We are Going to Get.

 

[Baldr]

It's crazy. The FIRST two close friends (!!!) I told about my quitting via vaping had something to say about PG and antifreeze.

Technically, it's true. The logic is BS, but PG is sometimes used in antifreeze.

It's used to make a safer version of antifreeze. Ethylene glycol does a better job of lowering the freezing tempt, but it's highly toxic. When they want a safer version of antifreeze, they use PG.

Antifreeze - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So there you have it. It's true when they say "That's made with the stuff they use in antifreeze", but it's also incredibly misleading. And the people who *started* that "OMG IT'S ANTIFREEZE!!!!" stuff know it. They are just dishonest, so twisting the truth around doesn't bother them at all.

 

[VapieDan]

Recently, I Had on my Ex-Smoker T-shirt and had my E-cig with me in public when a man approached and we started taking. Whilst discussing vaping and E-cigs he made a most astonishing statement. He said to me:


I was horrified! And although I didn't think to ask him where he had heard this (I was too busy trying to counter and correct him), I thought to myself later, who is going around saying such things? What intelligent, educated, anti-nicotine zealot would dare say something like this? And if this one man is going about believing this sort of thing, might there be others who were similarly mis-informed?

It was as though someone had said to me that "they had heard that the Earth was indeed flat, and that the reason sailing ships disappeared over the horizon was because they had fallen off the edge of the world!" I could not believe what I was hearing. Was I in fact H.G. Wells? And if so, where was my time machine? What year was it?

This is exactly why propaganda is used. Any entity which seeks to change opinion finds brainwashing though the media effective and useful.

 

[wheelie]

We had an election call here and a politician was at my door. Asked about vaping and regulations she would support. She jumped to say "they need regulations because they are blowing up in peoples faces". Had a long talk with her about vaping and in the end she says to me "my husband is a long time smoker, maybe their is help for him after all". She will never forget my house. LOL

 

[Anjaffm]

Technically, it's true. The logic is BS, but PG is sometimes used in antifreeze.

It's used to make a safer version of antifreeze. Ethylene glycol does a better job of lowering the freezing tempt, but it's highly toxic. When they want a safer version of antifreeze, they use PG.

Antifreeze - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So there you have it. It's true when they say "That's made with the stuff they use in antifreeze", but it's also incredibly misleading. And the people who *started* that "OMG IT'S ANTIFREEZE!!!!" stuff know it. They are just dishonest, so twisting the truth around doesn't bother them at all.

Exactly.
If such nonsense comes up after a dinner - or snack, such as potato chips - , it is a good idea to counter with "You do know that you just ate a whole lot of antifreeze, don't you?" - smile - wait - smile again enjoying their puzzled expression - then add "Well, you just ate salt, did you not? Salt is used as antifreeze."
That usually breaks the ice (pun intended).

 

[Astron]

Technically, it's true. The logic is BS, but PG is sometimes used in antifreeze.

It's used to make a safer version of antifreeze. Ethylene glycol does a better job of lowering the freezing tempt, but it's highly toxic. When they want a safer version of antifreeze, they use PG.

Antifreeze - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So there you have it. It's true when they say "That's made with the stuff they use in antifreeze", but it's also incredibly misleading. And the people who *started* that "OMG IT'S ANTIFREEZE!!!!" stuff know it. They are just dishonest, so twisting the truth around doesn't bother them at all.

Thank you for this knowledge!

 

[peraspera]

When people make silly statements like that about any subject I always smile sweetly and ask very politely, "What is your authoritative scientific source for that statement?" After the ensuing silence I firmly but gently lower the hammer with the correct information backed by science. While some people stubbornly remain joined at the hip with their own willful ignorance others are willing to listen because I don't get all huffy and confrontational.

 

[glointhedark]

My daughter and I are former smokers who quit smoking "the hard way" almost 8 years ago. The desire to smoke never went away, but we stuck with it. A little over 2 years ago, stress and cravings were making smoking again sound more and more desirable. My daughter had heard about ecigarettes somewhere, so we started looking into it. We dithered a few months, wondering if ecigarettes could really combat that desire to smoke. We finally tried a couple of Blu disposables, and found that they really did help curb the desire to smoke. The next day we bought a couple of starter kits. We have not looked back.

We are still very proud "ex smokers", and ecigarettes are the reason. Without the option to vape, we would probably have caved and started smoking again.

 

[wv2win]

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Unfortunately, I don't think the vaping industry or CASAA has the money to run an ad campaign documenting the real facts related to e-cigarettes or publicizing the scientific data which backs up the beneficial health impact of vaping vs. cigarette smoking. So I have no idea how the truth about vaping will ever become public knowledge.

ECF has 20,000 active members. CASAA has approximately 13,000 members. If all 20,000 active ECF members would join CASAA and all would provide JUST $5.00 a month to support CASAA, that would amount to $100,000 a month. Compare that $5.00 a month in relation to what people spend to vape each month, not to mention what they use to spend to smoke. Then, what you suggest would at least have a chance.

Unfortunately, it appears that a significant number of vapers, right here on ECF, just don't care if vaping is banned nationwide or not.

 

[wv2win]

Actually, I think CASAA is a rather small organization staffed by volunteers. With all they have on their plate lately, I'm amazed at how much they're able to do with regard to combating the relentless assault on vaping from all quarters. I'd urge all vapers to forego another "shiny" and contribute to CASAA. I did. I'm still new at vaping, but I feel it's important to fund their efforts as I'm not aware of another organization with their experience, savvy or commitment to vapers' rights. And I sure as heck don't want to be left with the lousy alternatives if vaping is legislated into oblivion. They didn't work the first time around and I'm not planning on ever smoking another analog. It there are other organizations, please forgive my ignorance.

Well said!!

 

[edyle]

Smoke is bad for the lungs.

Fog is not.

 

[skoony]

the problem is the people making these statements are probably the hard working tax paying people out there.
they are to busy raising there families,working paying taxes,trying to insure there grand kids are going to be ok.
there is no time to be involved to set aside the 30+ hours a week needed to attend all these so called public meetings.
the .02% of the people that do(usually paid)know this.hence,people on the government dole and paid representatives
make law.

 

[beckdg]

As Ron White says " You can't fix stupid".

WWRPD (what would ron popeil do?)

"and that's not all, folks. if you act now, i'll throw in..."

and just for good measure... included in the price of Smokingnomores ... florida man

 

[HoseGarden]

WWRPD (what would ron popeil do?)

he'd set it and forget it!!11!!!!

 

[Mikex123]

I find it kinda shocking all the negative press about ecigs. After finding this website and hearing about it I did a little googling and was shocked at what I saw.

I have only been vaping for 3 weeks, and my initial impression was that ecigs were viewed in a positive light. The media is super anti-cigarettes and I always thought ecigs would be naturally accepted as a way to help people quit. These last 3 weeks I have gotten about 5 people to make the switch from analogs to ecigs, and they had no initial misconceptions at all. Perhaps efforts to spread the truth are paying off.

I am glad ecig smokers who know the truth are at least able to see how much the media lies. The government and media are a very narcisitic bunch who love to sway the opinions of the masses while caring nothing for the truth.