Eleaf Istick

[Major911]

Very good point. I'm still shocked the company tried to claim the istick doesn't run hot at low settings. Ridiculous.

Not sure what actual changes have been made but i just purchased the istick 30 and the first thing i noticed was the ohms reading is dead accurate. Second thing it does not seem over powered. I always had to turn down my old istick 1watt lower than my other devices this one i had to turn back up for the same vape so it seems like it fires more accurately IMHO.

 

[Mapultz]

Not sure what actual changes have been made but i just purchased the istick 30 and the first thing i noticed was the ohms reading is dead accurate. Second thing it does not seem over powered. I always had to turn down my old istick 1watt lower than my other devices this one i had to turn back up for the same vape so it seems like it fires more accurately IMHO.

I'm really glad to hear that! I've gotten used to the mean setting on the istick. But I wish I didn't have to worry about turning it down so much on my little clearos. Especially when the battery is fully charged.

 

[Bikenstein]

Forgive my scepticism.....

Do you remember this?

I'm even surprised about its existence, yet...... that video remains on Youtube as permanent monument to something.......

If any eLeaf, iSmoka, Joyetech representative, or their associated vendors, says so, well, I won't believe it until I personally can check it or a reliable source confirms it, without hesitation or doubts......

Because I've read reports about the 30W being also mean calculated for their power output, or that compared with normal VW the 30W also goes warm (at the proper resistances, those which force the mod to go down in voltage), and also reports of being normal (i.e., appears to be RMS or even a pure DC output).

The 'official' statement read before about the 'combination' of RMS and DC output is, to say the least, difficult to understand from the technical point of view. It is PWM or DC, and only in the first case the voltage can be RMS, mean, convoluted or curly...... your choice (well, eLeaf's, actually). If it is DC, no RMS/mean/shape-whatever-you-like-dude applies, because it is a plain, boring continuum output, i.e., constant. Can't be both, except if the mod combines (actually, in truth) both modes depending of the voltage output.....

Let's say, below battery voltage it is PWM, but over it it is DC...... But nobody has published even the slimmest oscilloscope trace, everybody is comparing (qualitatively) outputs with normal VW mods, and taking for granted the 'official statement'....... like this one?





Most daringly, some have reported the same output from a DNA30 and the iStick 30 W...... near the 30 W setting. That's useless, dudes, it is in the low range of power where the 20W iStick sucks...... and where we all need to know what exactly do the newcomers........


I'm afraid I've got up in my grumpy form....let's metamorphose........

You are forgiven

 

[crxess]

Not sure what actual changes have been made but i just purchased the istick 30 and the first thing i noticed was the ohms reading is dead accurate. Second thing it does not seem over powered. I always had to turn down my old istick 1watt lower than my other devices this one i had to turn back up for the same vape so it seems like it fires more accurately IMHO.

Major, you have been at this long enough - An Appreciated - to be helping people with good information. Please try to include your particular setup along with comments on functionality. It will help others to understand. Especially if they are getting different results, but are using a totally different device/resistance.
Remember, Apples and Oranges are both Good fruit. They are just not the same.

 

[Bikenstein]

All that really matters is what's happening to that little coil that's heatin up. In the 20, when you hit the button a voltage is read and power is supplied to the coil. The coil heats up and even though the coil resistance changes from the heat, the same amount of voltage keeps goin to it so it gets hotter and hotter. With a flat DC output mod, as the coil heats up, the coil resistance changes and voltage is adjusted to keep the same amount of power at the coil, so it is a more constant heat. The reason the 20 is said to not perform well at low settings is because this effect will be more noticeable there than at max settings because you are already at or near max heat on the coil, therefore it's not gonna heat up much more. I won't definitely know how the 30 or the 50 perform until I get one. But I do like the 20 very much

 

[billherbst]

Forgive my scepticism.....

Do you remember this?

I'm even surprised about its existence, yet...... that video remains on Youtube as permanent monument to something.......

If any eLeaf, iSmoka, Joyetech representative, or their associated vendors, says so, well, I won't believe it until I personally can check it or a reliable source confirms it, without hesitation or doubts......

Because I've read reports about the 30W being also mean calculated for their power output, or that compared with normal VW the 30W also goes warm (at the proper resistances, those which force the mod to go down in voltage), and also reports of being normal (i.e., appears to be RMS or even a pure DC output).

The 'official' statement read before about the 'combination' of RMS and DC output is, to say the least, difficult to understand from the technical point of view. It is PWM or DC, and only in the first case the voltage can be RMS, mean, convoluted or curly...... your choice (well, eLeaf's, actually). If it is DC, no RMS/mean/shape-whatever-you-like-dude applies, because it is a plain, boring continuum output, i.e., constant. Can't be both, except if the mod combines (actually, in truth) both modes depending of the voltage output.....

Let's say, below battery voltage it is PWM, but over it it is DC...... But nobody has published even the slimmest oscilloscope trace, everybody is comparing (qualitatively) outputs with normal VW mods, and taking for granted the 'official statement'....... like this one?





Most daringly, some have reported the same output from a DNA30 and the iStick 30 W...... near the 30 W setting. That's useless, dudes, it is in the low range of power where the 20W iStick sucks...... and where we all need to know what exactly do the newcomers........


I'm afraid I've got up in my grumpy form....let's metamorphose........

scared,

I didn't read your post as grumpy at all, just well-informed, accurate, and maybe a little fed up with BS/doubletalk. LOL.

 

[Nibs91]

I ordered 2 five packs of BVC coils for 14.66 shipped today. What a great price. If interested, make sure you enter code: 40coil
https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/heads-coils-cartridges/heads-coils/bottom-single-coil/aspire-bdc-replacement-coil-heads-5pk-9715.html

Wow, amazing price! How did you get free shipping though? Shipping for me is 2.32

 

[Bikenstein]

Wow, amazing price! How did you get free shipping though? Shipping for me is 2.32

I didn't see any free shipping but I would like to know about puttin a bvc in an aspire vivi nova bdc. Would that be the same as a vivi nova bvc? I was thinkin about orderin a couple of these for backups, they are out of vivi nova bvc's. What ohm coil would be recommended for the 20? Anybody?

 

[aldenf]

My 30W has made it to Illinois! Right on time for delivery on Wednesday.... if it makes it out of that sort facility that deals with Eastern deliveries... they are usually slower than the other sort facility that handles the South and West.

Mine is out for delivery. Just waiting on the mail lady now.

 

[jefsview]

Mine show it made it to the local post office, but hasn't been sorted or made it out for delivery. Could just be tracking is a bit slow. But like I said earlier, that sorting facility never gets it to the main office on time for same day delivery. So most likely tomorrow for me.

 

[shack22]

I didn't see any free shipping but I would like to know about puttin a bvc in an aspire vivi nova bdc. Would that be the same as a vivi nova bvc? I was thinkin about orderin a couple of these for backups, they are out of vivi nova bvc's. What ohm coil would be recommended for the 20? Anybody?

I'm pretty sure those bvc coils are the proper ones for your Vivi Nova bdc. Anyone else confirm that for Mr Stein?

 

[ISGRidge]

Guess I should have asked before ordering but.. Anyone instal Fatdaddyvapes 510 V4 Connectors in their isticks? 2 of my sticks are shot after only a couple of months. Thought these might do the trick. Anyone do this? Easy instal?

 

[Bikenstein]

I'm pretty sure those bvc coils are the proper ones for your Vivi Nova bdc. Anyone else confirm that for Mr Stein?

What coils to use 1.6, 1.8, 2.1 with istick 20? And what's the difference in the vivi bdc and vivi bvc after I change coils? My 30w is out for delivery

 

[aldenf]

Very good point. I'm still shocked the company tried to claim the istick doesn't run hot at low settings. Ridiculous.

Agreed. This leads me to believe one of two things:

1) Even the respected e-cigarette manufacturers, like Joyetech, will lie their way out of trouble.
2) Even the respected e-cigarette manufacturers, like Joyetech, still don't know/understand what they're making.


It kind of reminds me of the last CEO of Lehman Brothers, .... Fuld. Did any of you see some of the Congressional hearings on the financial collapse? Mr. Fuld claimed that Lehman Bros had done nothing wrong and that he never saw the disaster approaching. I so wanted one of our representatives to ask Mr. Fuld if he was a liar or simply incompetent... Again, the pessimist in me.

 

[aldenf]

I honestly had not heard about this. So what is exactly different/worse about the iStick, compared to a DNA30 at say 15 watts? (honestly curious, not being a jerk here lol)

snow blind, see my blog post, Technology Behind the iStick. It explains way too much!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/aldenf/7026-technology-behind-istick-v1.html

 

[shack22]

What coils to use 1.6, 1.8, 2.1 with istick 20? And what's the difference in the vivi bdc and vivi bvc after I change coils? My 30w is out for delivery

I've been using 1.8 in my K1 on iStick--really good. I've never used the bdc coils.
!!! Jealous of all you guys waiting on the postman for the 30w!!!

 

[Ricky Spanish]

Mine is out for delivery. Just waiting on the mail lady now.

Mine show it made it to the local post office, but hasn't been sorted or made it out for delivery. Could just be tracking is a bit slow. But like I said earlier, that sorting facility never gets it to the main office on time for same day delivery. So most likely tomorrow for me.

Mine is out for delivery, that's 2 day shipping for me.

The order I made later that same day however is stuck on shipping label created, it would be a nice surprise if it was attached to my previous order. I'll see later on today.

 

[aldenf]

I didn't see any free shipping but I would like to know about puttin a bvc in an aspire vivi nova bdc. Would that be the same as a vivi nova bvc? I was thinkin about orderin a couple of these for backups, they are out of vivi nova bvc's. What ohm coil would be recommended for the 20? Anybody?

Yes, Bike, the Aspire BVCs (NOT the Nautilus BVCs) are drop in replacements for Aspire's original BDC heads. I've had good luck with both the 1.6Ω & 1.8Ω Aspire BVCs in my AnyVape Peakomizer. If you like to vape below 10W, go with the 1.8Ω. There has simply been some concern over the "ceramic" wicking material used in Aspire's BVCs.

 

[skjames19]

UPDATE on istick 30watt RMS/MEAN: I have been vaping between the istick30 and smok m50 all day today. At a fresh charge, the istick runs a LOT cooler at lower wattage than the smok m50. So it does seem that eleaf changed something about with how power is calculated because i remember my old istick20 ran hot even at lower wattage on a fresh battery. And it seems that the smok m50 runs similar to the old istick.

edit: yeah I just checked again. At 7watts, slow inhaling the m50 is nearly burning my tongue, but when I go back to the istick30 at 7watts, its nowhere near as hot.

edit2: coil is 28awg@ 1.7ohm

 

[Major911]

Major, you have been at this long enough - An Appreciated - to be helping people with good information. Please try to include your particular setup on along with comments on functionality. It will help others to understand. Especially if they are getting different results, but are using a totally different device/resistance.
Remember, Apples and Oranges are both Good fruit. They are just not the same.

Fair enough. My apologies for not being more specific. On the I stick 20w my ohms always ran .01-.02 higher than the reading on all my DNA devices. My favorite setup was the nautilus mini on the istick and I had 2 of them. I usually vape at 10watts with this setup with my particular juices which are 60pg 40vg. On all other devices. On the istick20 I had to back this down to 9 watts for the same vape. Now with the istick30 I tried it the same way with the same setup and found 9 watts to be a little lite. Bumped it up to 10watts and it was perfect. The vape is the same at 10 watts on the istick30 as it is on my vapor flask DNA30 and my my vapor flask DNA40. This leads me to believe that they may have switched the istick30 from mean to RMS and possibly even from PWM to DC-DC. I have no way of confirming this so I will wait for Phil Busardo's review for the final verdict. These are simply my observations from using the devices and are by no means factually supported as of yet.