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I'm going to disagree with aldenf on this point. Kendell wanted the attys for sampling flavors and the Joye 510 with the metal mesh for the bridge and at the base hold much more eliquid than bridgeless attys, less probability of dry hits. The Joye 510's get that job done at less expense.

As much as I respect most of aldenf's opinions, I'm definitely with Kent C on this one.

If the goal is straight dripping for pleasure rather than sampling, then the cisco .357 and the instructs on how to vape it are worth the higher price and effort. So on that I would agree. That said, I have tried the .357 and still prefer cisco's 306 lr's with a cannon drip tip for my ultimate dripping setup.

Yeah, among old-school atty drippers, 306s have almost legendary status. I still have a bunch of well-used Cisco spec 306s and IKV i06s in my atty box. I used those and HH357s for a couple years on my various bottom-feeder boxes---REOs, VapageXLs, and Phids---but I tend to over-squonk, since I don't like dry hits, and 306s leak like sieves when flooded. Eventually, I gave in to small-chamber mini-RDAs, both for cost considerations and the fact that I actually like building my own coils and appreciate the increased vapor production.

About a month ago, I tried a couple of my 306s again on a REO and Phid, and the flavor was still quite good, but the minute they began leaking (my fault---I over-squonked, as usual), I put the YK1 Cyclone clone and A6 Mini RDAs back into service. LOL.
 

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Inspects,

What you bought---a ten-pack of Joyetech SR510 2.2-ohm atties with a VaporKings logo---is fine. They'll work with any PV that provides power in the "standard" voltage range (3.3-4.8 volts)---mechanicals, eGos, Twists/Spinners, ZMaxes/VAMOs, regulated boxes, whatever. They're atomizers, not cartomizers, with horizontal coils in ceramic cups over which are inverted-V-shaped strip metal bridges wrapped in fine wire mesh that provide the wicking. You can even convert them into "bridgeless" atties (where you drip eliquid directly onto the coils) by pulling out the bridges with a pair of needlenose pliers. Some 510 atties are produced and sold as bridgeless---the "bridged-versus-bridgeless" debate was a hot topic on ECF way back when. All those threads are buried in the archives.

;)

Your new "disposable" atties work just like RDAs---you drip eliquid by drops into the open end of the barrel or through whatever drip tip you use on them. [By the way, that's why drip tips are called "drip" tips. They were first marketed back in 2010-2011 for use with those very atomizers you just bought, as well as for cartomizers, which were gaining favor at that time---various kinds of tanks came soon after that (veterans will remember syringe-mod carto tanks from 2011). Nhaler was the first vendor I remember to carry drip tips. They were plastic or delrin, and ridiculously expensive---about $7 each, plus shipping. We bought them anyway, because all vaping hardware was more expensive back then. Aluminum, stainless steel, glass, and ceramic drip tips came later.]

And Drew's shipping in those days was ridiculously expensive --for some reason. Oh, Drew... I miss him. He was one of my first vendors; he always had the coolest stuff. I still buy his Nuport and his Lung Green Tea--my favorite ejuices. His version of RY4 is not bad either. :)

I see some posters tonight belittling 510 atties in favor of rebuildable drippers. That is by no means a universally-held opinion. Many people love old-school Joyetech 510 atties. VaporKings sells 'em by the truckload. That's one of the great things about vaping---people can use whatever hardware pleases them.

The young'uns, Bill.

Dripping as a vaping technique waxes and wanes in popularity. For awhile, cartos, clearos, and tanks made it seem that dripping was becoming passé. When rebuildable atties showed up in the marketplace (RBA/RDA/RTA), dripping seemingly roared back for RDAs, but the truth is that dripping never went away. While some hardware does vanish from the vaping scene (remember blue foam in cartridges?), much older hardware remains viable despite the latest-and-greatest new thing to hit the marketplace.

I still have a box of blue foam (from Petco, I think), a box of Lipton (pyramid) tea bags and a bunch of those skinny straws from Starbucks... :facepalm:

While refinements in hardware occur these days at breakneck speed as the vaping industry enters its aggressive, hyper-competitive adolescence, the basic technology of vaping remains the same as it's been since the very beginning a decade ago in 2005: metal coils that are heated by voltage from a battery to vaporize eliquid. Will vaping be based on that formula forever? I don't know, but so far there's no indication that it will change fundamentally any time soon. Even something like "temperature control" is essentially a refinement on the basic technology, rather than a revolutionary change. I mean, an RDA with sub-ohm twisted quad coils on a 26650 mechanical or a tank with sub-ohm OCC-wicked vertical coils on a 150-watt box mod are both finally just more powerful and sophisticated versions of a simple 510 atomizer atop an eGo battery (or an 808-d 220mAh cig-a-like, if we want to reach even further back).

Amen.
 

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I don't have any cigalike batteries (i know of)....will the Spinner II's work?

Perhaps their cigalike batteries...I'm not sure of the technical name for Spinners....:blush:

A Spinner battery is an eGo battery with a 510/eGo connection. Anything 510 or eGo threaded will work just fine.

And since we're taking a trip down memory lane, let me remind you that the "eGo threads" were not real threads to begin with--they had purely cosmetic function back then. We used to thread eGo cones onto those threads for a seamless look. :p

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In the old days we did this:

1. We had to screw the skinny 510 atomizer (or cartomizer) into the battery 510 connection.

2. Screw the cone cover onto the outer (eGo) threads to achieve a seamless look. [The new, higher capacity eGos were fatter than the cigalikes and all the atties and cartos were still skinny (9mm diameter) and they looked funny on fat batteries--hence the cone.]

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As you can see, we used to be totally color coordinated in those days.

And then came clearomizers--all designed at first to work with the good old eGo batteries:

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So yeah--almost anything will work on your Spinner. :D
 
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aldenf....I bought these....Joye 510 or Joye eGo electronic cigarette replacement atomizers not the correct devices for what folks have mentioned?

Hmmmm... I've never dripped a bridged 510 before. When I started vaping less then a year ago, I did some research and watched a couple of videos. Everything I saw said a bridgeless or de-bridged 510 was the way to drip. What you link to states the 510s are specifically for dripping but doesn't mention anything about a bridge. Maybe some users with more 510 atty experience can share some of their wisdom.
 
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Good voices of experience...


I'm going to disagree with aldenf on this point. Kendell wanted the attys for sampling flavors and the Joye 510 with the metal mesh for the bridge and at the base hold much more eliquid than bridgeless attys, less probability of dry hits. The Joye 510's get that job done at less expense.

If the goal is straight dripping for pleasure rather than sampling, then the cisco .357 and the instructs on how to vape it are worth the higher price and effort. So on that I would agree. That said, I have tried the .357 and still prefer cisco's 306 lr's with a cannon drip tip for my ultimate dripping setup.

Inspects,

What you bought---a ten-pack of Joyetech SR510 2.2-ohm atties with a VaporKings logo---is fine. They'll work with any PV that provides power in the "standard" voltage range (3.3-4.8 volts)---mechanicals, eGos, Twists/Spinners, ZMaxes/VAMOs, regulated boxes, whatever. They're atomizers, not cartomizers, with horizontal coils in ceramic cups over which are inverted-V-shaped strip metal bridges wrapped in fine wire mesh that provide the wicking. You can even convert them into "bridgeless" atties (where you drip eliquid directly onto the coils) by pulling out the bridges with a pair of needlenose pliers. Some 510 atties are produced and sold as bridgeless---the "bridged-versus-bridgeless" debate was a hot topic on ECF way back when. All those threads are buried in the archives.

Your new "disposable" atties work just like RDAs---you drip eliquid by drops into the open end of the barrel or through whatever drip tip you use on them. [By the way, that's why drip tips are called "drip" tips. They were first marketed back in 2010-2011 for use with those very atomizers you just bought, as well as for cartomizers, which were gaining favor at that time---various kinds of tanks came soon after that (veterans will remember syringe-mod carto tanks from 2011). Nhaler was the first vendor I remember to carry drip tips. They were plastic or delrin, and ridiculously expensive---about $7 each, plus shipping. We bought them anyway, because all vaping hardware was more expensive back then. Aluminum, stainless steel, glass, and ceramic drip tips came later.]

I see some posters tonight belittling 510 atties in favor of rebuildable drippers. That is by no means a universally-held opinion. Many people love old-school Joyetech 510 atties. VaporKings sells 'em by the truckload. That's one of the great things about vaping---people can use whatever hardware pleases them.

Dripping as a vaping technique waxes and wanes in popularity. For awhile, cartos, clearos, and tanks made it seem that dripping was becoming passé. When rebuildable atties showed up in the marketplace (RBA/RDA/RTA), dripping seemingly roared back for RDAs, but the truth is that dripping never went away. While some hardware does vanish from the vaping scene (remember blue foam in cartridges?), much older hardware remains viable despite the latest-and-greatest new thing to hit the marketplace.

While refinements in hardware occur these days at breakneck speed as the vaping industry enters its aggressive, hyper-competitive adolescence, the basic technology of vaping remains the same as it's been since the very beginning a decade ago in 2005: metal coils that are heated by voltage from a battery to vaporize eliquid. Will vaping be based on that formula forever? I don't know, but so far there's no indication that it will change fundamentally any time soon. Even something like "temperature control" is essentially a refinement on the basic technology, rather than a revolutionary change. I mean, an RDA with sub-ohm twisted quad coils on a 26650 mechanical or a tank with sub-ohm OCC-wicked vertical coils on a 150-watt box mod are both finally just more powerful and sophisticated versions of a simple 510 atomizer atop an eGo battery (or an 808-d 220mAh cig-a-like, if we want to reach even further back).

The best atties for beginners or for those who just want to sample juices.

A mandatory read--courtesy of my friend The Ocelot.

Drip, Drip, Drip
 

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Hmmmm... I've never dripped a bridged 510 before. When I started vaping less then a year ago, I did some research and watched a couple of videos. Everything I saw said a bridgeless or de-bridged 510 was the way to drip. What you link to states the 510s are specifically for dripping but doesn't mention anything about a bridge. Maybe some users with more 510 atty experience can share some of their wisdom.

I use the bridgeless and the bridged attys. I prefer the bridgeless because they are easier to clean between testing juices. What confused me is the first attys he picked out said they were replacements for the Joyetech ecigarette. That's why I referred him to the other choice that said not to be used on the ecigarette. The site wasn't clear to me if the first one had a cartridge in it or not or what the difference was. I recommend them for easy juice testing to get the pure flavor. :2c:
 

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Testing my second stick 50. It too has swapped VW to VV once and cut off once. Otherwise performing great I'm 2 bars down after 11 hrs vaping at 15w. The black one went 22 hrs on the first charge and 19 on the second @ 18w. That's from almost totally what I call chain vaping hours so I'm impressed. :)
 

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Testing my second stick 50. It too has swapped VW to VV once and cut off once. Otherwise performing great I'm 2 bars down after 11 hrs vaping at 15w. The black one went 22 hrs on the first charge and 19 on the second @ 18w. That's from almost totally what I call chain vaping hours so I'm impressed. :)

I'm beginning to wonder if the battery gauge does not start to go down until the voltage begins to go below the "nominal" voltage of 3.7v. I say that because I've been using my new 30w since Friday evening and the gauge is still showing just above1/2 full. Normally the 2200 mah 18650 batteries I was using in my Vamo would be down to 3.8v by the end of 1 day so I could see getting 2 days from a 2200 mah battery but I don't like running them down that far.

Jeremy R had also noted his gauge on his i50 had barely dropped below half and then it shut down for low voltage. I would rather the screen show actual voltage left in the battery than that bar gauge. I tried to get a reading on an old Sears multimeter but the needle just twitches slightly. I knew I should have ordered one of those volt/ohm testers when I got the i30, but the tightwad in me reasoned I could check the ohms of my build on the device.

Anyone able to get an actual voltage reading at different bar gauge levels for comparisons sake?

Other than that, no complaints. It's a great device for the money.
 

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Hmmmm... I've never dripped a bridged 510 before. When I started vaping less then a year ago, I did some research and watched a couple of videos. Everything I saw said a bridgeless or de-bridged 510 was the way to drip. What you link to states the 510s are specifically for dripping but doesn't mention anything about a bridge. Maybe some users with more 510 atty experience can share some of their wisdom.

A bridged atty will hold more juice without leaking, the bridge acts as a very small reservoir. Unbridged are a bit easier to clean, but one or two drops too many while dripping can become a sticky situation. Flavor-wise I never saw any real differences.
 

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A bridged atty will hold more juice without leaking, the bridge acts as a very small reservoir. Unbridged are a bit easier to clean, but one or two drops too many while dripping can become a sticky situation. Flavor-wise I never saw any real differences.

You nailed it, Stosh.

I've been known to have very strong opinions, but, with many vaping debates (past and present), I see that each side of the argument has its particular strengths and weaknesses, benefits and liabilities. More often than not, I end up taking the "whatever-makes-you-happy" stance.

Like you, I never experienced any perceptible or significant different in flavor yield between bridged and bridgeless atties. I do, of course, taste a big difference in flavor intensity and vapor production between low-wattage 510 atties and current-generation RDAs that take whopping power, and I reach for my RDAs more often. That said, I still appreciate the pure and balanced flavor that a nicely broken-in 510 atty gives and continue to use them to beta-test new DIY juices during recipe tweaking (which basically never ends for me, mostly because I so enjoy playing in the juice formulation sand box).
 

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A bridged atty will hold more juice without leaking, the bridge acts as a very small reservoir. Unbridged are a bit easier to clean, but one or two drops too many while dripping can become a sticky situation. Flavor-wise I never saw any real differences.

The bridgeless 510's are easy to flood but I prefer them when I can find them. I agree no difference in flavor but easier to clean and avoid cross contamination of juices. For me anyway. That aspect means more to me when I'm tryin to adjust a flavor to taste as in fine tunin. I only have problems with flooding or dry hits if I'm just doin regular drippin with one which I seldom do. I can sympathize with the old school folks who had to use these regularly.:)
 
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