Electronic ciggarettes are not what you think

[Burnie]

I noted this thread was the OP's first post..so I'm still wondering why it's outside the new members section or whether the rules were changed.
In any case, I agree with you that the reaction to his post was considerably rude.
I think the OP was more enthusiastic than rude though.

Interesting, had not noticed that. @retired1 can you shed some light on this observation? Why can a new member post in General vaping on there FIRST POST?

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Maybe I saw the number of deleted posts. It seemed an inbalance in response.

I am careful when I walk into a biker bar. I try not to piss anyone off anymore. Sure, in my younger days I could take on a couple gangs myself. But, I have learned to listen and read a bit, first. Especially after that last run-in with the biker nuns. I learned not to walk in and swear.

 

[Marc411]

And if you want the real truth on why states are fighting so hard take a peek at this, it's only $113,323,526,265 that 46 states have benefited from people being hooked on tobacco and getting deathly ill or dead. Hell every state needs a little extra cash.

 

[Opinionated]

On average only 1 mg per cigarette is consumed.

On average only 1 mg of nicotine is absorbed into the system.. but there is much more than that in each cigarette.. anywhere from 9 - 18 mg per cigarette, depending upon brand and whether your smoking lights or full flavor etc. But the actual absorption rate is only approx. 1 mg per cigarette.

The average two pack a day smoker is burning 360 mg of nicotine a day.. yet only actually absorbing 40 mg a day into their system.

Therein lies the difference..

 

[Bad Ninja]

How the hell did I miss this party?
Lol

 

[HazyShades]

Interesting, had not noticed that. @retired1 can you shed some light on this observation? Why can a new member post in General Vaping on there FIRST POST?

Good question isn't it? I know r1 deleted my first post in this forum
because I asked a question outside the new members area.
I just want to know if I have to read all those rules again 'cause my attorney is out of town.

 

[HazyShades]

On average only 1 mg of nicotine is absorbed into the system.. but there is much more than that in each cigarette.. anywhere from 9 - 18 mg per cigarette, depending upon brand and whether your smoking lights or full flavor etc. But the actual absorption rate is only approx. 1 mg per cigarette.

The average two pack a days smoker, is burning 360 mg of nicotine a day.. yet only actually absorbing 40 mg a day into their system.

Therein lies the difference..

waste not want not..

 

[HazyShades]

And if you want the real truth on why states are fighting so hard take a peek at this, it's only $113,323,526,265 that 46 states have benefited from people being hooked on tobacco and getting deathly ill or dead. Hell every state needs a little extra cash.

That is the bottom line, Marc. Nobody cares about us or the children, they care about the cash cow.

 

[celticluvr]

How the hell did I miss this party?
Lol

I love your signature!!!
If Burt was running for Pres... I'd beat everyone to the polls!

 

[nopatch]

I would agree with you except that recommendation is based on nicotine use with cigarettes, pipes, or other combustible forms of delivery.
..

No, the recommendation is for all forms of nicotine.

 

[HazyShades]

No, the recommendation is for all forms of nicotine.

Show me. Is this your doctor's recommendation or is this based on legitimate studies?
I note your location. Is this doctor ayurvedic or straight western MD?
With throat cancer you wouldn't want to irritate your throat by subjecting it to anything
but that doesn't mean nicotine in itself would have any effect on the actual cancer.

 

[HazyShades]

Maybe I saw the number of deleted posts. It seemed an inbalance in response.

I am careful when I walk into a biker bar. I try not to piss anyone off anymore. Sure, in my younger days I could take on a couple gangs myself. But, I have learned to listen and read a bit, first. Especially after that last run-in with the biker nuns. I learned not to walk in and swear.

Especially with biker nuns...But hey, a hot nun is worth getting smacked with a Bible or flying rosary beads.

Know what you're saying, Frenchy.
The OP should know better and phrase himself as if talking to nuns.

 

[Kprthevapr]

 

[Bad Ninja]

I love your signature!!!
If Burt was running for Pres... I'd beat everyone to the polls!

 

[smacuser]

Hear me out. E-cigs are simply a substitute, hell even a worse substitute for smoking. I have been addicted for 5 years now, and I used E-cigs for 2 of those years. People, smoking cigarettes is not the problem, the problem is nicotine! It is the DRUG, a highly addictive one at that, which keeps you addicted. Now imagine you have a hand tool at your disposal at all times, doesn't require going outside and lighting up in a controlled fashion, just a tool that you can press a button any time to get the nicotine, that is what an E-cig is! I know I ingested the most nicotine ever when I used a vape. The fact that you can just press the button several times a minute and inhale with no concern means you will ingest more nicotine. And of course, with the way our brains work, you will become more powerless to avoid pressing that button and inhaling, because it feels oh so good with every cloud. Another problem I wanted to address is your skin. There have been a lot of questions and rumors about vaping and acne. These aren't rumors, they are fact. Persistent vaping each day will indeed cause skin problems, especially on your face. It is not traditional acne, it is a form of skin necrosis. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, and of course vaping encourages an even more prevelant dosage of nicotine in your blood stream at all times of the day. This constant vaping, along with the effect of propelyne glycol, a main ingredient in E liquids (also used in anti-freeze) will dry out the skin and constrict the flow of skin enriching nutrients through your blood vessels. This will cause dry, itchy, irritated skin with in-grown red bumps. This happens because you are constantly de-hydrating your skin while simultaneously constricting the blood vessels. Whether it's cigarettes or vapes, both are just horrible for your lungs,heart and your skin. My advice is to seek professional help, and maybe start on a nicotine gum or lozenge that you can ween off of. Those products are not pleasurable compared to vaping, which is why they will work better in terms of quitting. Vaping nicotine will never make you quit because vaping feels even better!

Welcome to ecf.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

On average only 1 mg per cigarette is consumed.

it's actually different for every user, how much initially is in the cigarette, how they puff, do they hold it in, how long of a puff all makes a difference..

I was a heavy smoker 40-60 a day, king size smoke would be gone 6 maybe 7 puffs, I pretty much smoked as close as you could get to a direct lung hit.. If my levels were down I'd hold it in, if I knew I couldn't smoke for a while I'd hold it in, if I was almost out of smokes I'd hold it in pretty much until no smoke was exhaled... My average was probably closer to 2.5-3mg, while yes the number is still going to be lower than the total I stated above the same could be said for vaping, obviously we don't absorb all the nicotine in our vape as well..

So lets say my average actual intake from smoking was about 130mg... My not intake but total amount of nicotine these days in the amount of liquid I use is about 20mg lets say we absorb even a third of that for me its only 6.66mg...

Still a significant decrease for me...

from the CDC

Compensatory Smoking

Most smokers are addicted to nicotine and consequently may compensate when smoking low-yield cigarettes in order to take in more nicotine than estimated by a smoking machine.1,5,6,7

• Many smokers block the ventilation holes, thus inhaling more tar and nicotine than measured by machines.
• Many smokers inhale longer, harder, and more frequently when smoking low-yield cigarettes to get more nicotine.
• Smokers may get as much or more tar and nicotine from cigarettes with low-yield ratings as from regular cigarettes because of the ways they compensate when smoking them.

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  Thats basically what I was doing with full strength and not light brands

 

[ENAUD]

it's actually different for every user, how much initially is in the cigarette, how they puff, do they hold it in, how long of a puff all makes a difference..

I was a heavy smoker 40-60 a day, king size smoke would be gone 6 maybe 7 puffs, I pretty much smoked as close as you could get to a direct lung hit.. If my levels were down I'd hold it in, if I knew I couldn't smoke for a while I'd hold it in, if I was almost out of smokes I'd hold it in pretty much until no smoke was exhaled... My average was probably closer to 2.5-3mg, while yes the number is still going to be lower than the total I stated above the same could be said for vaping, obviously we don't absorb all the nicotine in our vape as well..

So lets say my average actual intake from smoking was about 130mg... My not intake but total amount of nicotine these days in the amount of liquid I use is about 20mg lets say we absorb even a third of that for me its only 6.66mg...

Still a significant decrease for me...

from the CDC

• 
  
  Thats basically what I was doing with full strength and not light brands

Sometimes I used to snip the filters in half...

 

[Opinionated]

it's actually different for every user, how much initially is in the cigarette, how they puff, do they hold it in, how long of a puff all makes a difference..

I was a heavy smoker 40-60 a day, king size smoke would be gone 6 maybe 7 puffs, I pretty much smoked as close as you could get to a direct lung hit.. If my levels were down I'd hold it in, if I knew I couldn't smoke for a while I'd hold it in, if I was almost out of smokes I'd hold it in pretty much until no smoke was exhaled... My average was probably closer to 2.5-3mg, while yes the number is still going to be lower than the total I stated above the same could be said for vaping, obviously we don't absorb all the nicotine in our vape as well..

So lets say my average actual intake from smoking was about 130mg... My not intake but total amount of nicotine these days in the amount of liquid I use is about 20mg lets say we absorb even a third of that for me its only 6.66mg...

Still a significant decrease for me...

from the CDC

• 
  
  Thats basically what I was doing with full strength and not light brands

Which is why I said "on average" certainly everyone is different and we certainly don't absorb every single mg of nicotine in our e juice either..

I totally agree with what you said..

 

[dmska]

Sometimes I used to snip the filters in half...

. I Used to do that at times as well. They had little perforations around the middle of the filter.

 

[Katdarling]

And if you want the real truth on why states are fighting so hard take a peek at this, it's only $113,323,526,265 that 46 states have benefited from people being hooked on tobacco and getting deathly ill or dead. Hell every state needs a little extra cash.

Thank you @Marc411. I love numbahs.