Did you try to Helium or Curium first?Our chemist died. We had to barium. Luckily, alcohol is a solution.
So I heard that oxygen and magnesium were dating and I was like: OMg
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So I heard that oxygen and magnesium were dating and I was like: OMg
Poor guy died because we were at the bar and I ordered some H2O. He asked for some H2O too. Sadly the bartender was also a chemist.
I heard that too but nitrogen and oxygen said NO.
(I could probably do this for years. We make chemistry jokes constantly at work)
if you do some research you find chinese wear masks because of the constant exposure to horrible air conditions and the bird flue.
they are germophobic because the air quality there sucks as stated by several reporters at the Olympic games.
people can post all the cutsy lab videos they want but you know what the truth is?
Fact - Imported Chinese drywall causes severe sickness - class action suits are now in motion and almost all american suppliers refuse to sell or stock it now.
Fact - Chinese baby food kills babies.
Fact - Imported Chinese pet food kills pets.
Fact - Imported Childrens toys contain toxic levels of lead.
In all the videos they never once proved they were in the juice factory, nor do they show a list of ingredients.
with chinese products constantly in the news for causing real problems you think im going to believe they care about what us silly americans are inhaling in their juices?
i would rather mix my juice in a rusty bucket from the garage then trust some propaganda video on youtube made by someone who has a vested interest in the product being sold.
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I was wondering what the general sentiment is out there about dekang vapes vs USA made vapes. I ordered some vapes from FDWVAPE because it costs me 5$ less and I don't really notice that big of a differnce from sweet vapes, if there is one it isn't that great. My question is, is what I bought from DFW dekang ejuice? It was labled as DFW, but there was no "batch" number etc.
Have you visited their website? Every e-juice flavor lists "Name of Juice here, US E-Juice." We can't prove that it's U.S. made, but it would be a pretty bold move on their part to claim Chinese juice was American. I say take it at face value and assume that it is American made e-juice.
I only vape American made juice.
Johnson Creek obviously has the upper hand.
Jet Cigs lab is run by a chemical engineer.
Volcano juice isn't tasty. But it hasn't killed me yet.
I do eat Chinese food regularly though...
Johnson Creek obviously has the upper hand.
Jet Cigs lab is run by a chemical engineer.
Volcano juice isn't tasty. But it hasn't killed me yet.
I do eat Chinese food regularly though...
"Intellicig" that make "Ecopure" e liquid have a lab at a university and what not. Though they only produce three different flavours and all in vg. Their menthol is great and has up to 4.5mg nicotine too.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...essage-e-liquid-vendors-what-we-want-you.html
Haven't read this whole thread but the link above is to an excellent thread that discusses a lot of these topics.
Haven't read this whole thread but the link above is to an excellent thread that discusses a lot of these topics.
I think in this whole discussion, it's important to keep in mind the distinction between food ingredients and inhalants. I'm not making a stand on this subject one way or the other, but people are making willy-nilly comparisons between what they put in their mouth and what they put in their lungs. It's simply not the same.
Saying "I don't expect the 7-11 manager to test every bottle of Coca-Cola, so why would I expect that level of scrutiny from my e-juice vendor?" is a bit of a logical goof-up.
First of all, Coca-Cola is an internationally recognized brand that has been around for a long time and clearly has excellent quality control, because every bottle of Coke I've ever had tastes the same as the last one. Being so large and so old, they have a vested interest in making sure their ingredients are tested from arrival at the dock to exiting the facility. Do I know this for sure? Not really, but I do know that they have a whole, whole lot to lose by NOT doing it, so they probably are. Can you imagine the PR nightmare of even just one person getting sick from a dangerous chemical in a bottle of Coke? The expensive recalls? The lawsuit The millions in lost sales? Do you think they'd risk that?
Second of all, when Coca-Cola started, they existed in the time of patent medicines that were completely unregulated and contained opiates, lye, ......., and countless other toxic ingredients. Coca-cola was no exception. It wasn't until AFTER regulation kicked in that these companies-- Coca-Cola included-- changed the way they manufactured their stuff. They didn't give a rat's ... about the safety of the user. They wanted it to taste good and sell. I'm not saying e-juice vendors have this same mentality, but all it takes is one bad apple to spoil the batch.
Third-- and most important-- of all, your guts are designed to deal with things in your food that might hurt you. You have enzymes in your stomach to break down food. You have a liver and kidneys to filter junk out of your system. It takes 6 hours for that breakfast burrito you ate to come out the other end. This doesn't mean eating bad things is safe or ok, but your body is adapted to cope with a certain degree of danger that exists in eating food. Drinking a bottle of poison may not actually hurt you because you'll probably puke it right up immediately.
Inhaling a bottle of poison probably WILL kill you, because your lungs don't have any defense except coughing, which is your body's way of saying "stop inhaling whatever it is you're inhaling". And not everything that's bad to inhale spawns the cough reflex, so even that isn't really good for much. Whatever hits your lungs hits your bloodstream WAY faster than anything going into your stomach, and there are far fewer barriers in that process.
All that to say, before people go off making comparisons between what they eat and what they breathe, realize that these are two TOTALLY different biological mechanisms.
Saying "I don't expect the 7-11 manager to test every bottle of Coca-Cola, so why would I expect that level of scrutiny from my e-juice vendor?" is a bit of a logical goof-up.
First of all, Coca-Cola is an internationally recognized brand that has been around for a long time and clearly has excellent quality control, because every bottle of Coke I've ever had tastes the same as the last one. Being so large and so old, they have a vested interest in making sure their ingredients are tested from arrival at the dock to exiting the facility. Do I know this for sure? Not really, but I do know that they have a whole, whole lot to lose by NOT doing it, so they probably are. Can you imagine the PR nightmare of even just one person getting sick from a dangerous chemical in a bottle of Coke? The expensive recalls? The lawsuit The millions in lost sales? Do you think they'd risk that?
Second of all, when Coca-Cola started, they existed in the time of patent medicines that were completely unregulated and contained opiates, lye, ......., and countless other toxic ingredients. Coca-cola was no exception. It wasn't until AFTER regulation kicked in that these companies-- Coca-Cola included-- changed the way they manufactured their stuff. They didn't give a rat's ... about the safety of the user. They wanted it to taste good and sell. I'm not saying e-juice vendors have this same mentality, but all it takes is one bad apple to spoil the batch.
Third-- and most important-- of all, your guts are designed to deal with things in your food that might hurt you. You have enzymes in your stomach to break down food. You have a liver and kidneys to filter junk out of your system. It takes 6 hours for that breakfast burrito you ate to come out the other end. This doesn't mean eating bad things is safe or ok, but your body is adapted to cope with a certain degree of danger that exists in eating food. Drinking a bottle of poison may not actually hurt you because you'll probably puke it right up immediately.
Inhaling a bottle of poison probably WILL kill you, because your lungs don't have any defense except coughing, which is your body's way of saying "stop inhaling whatever it is you're inhaling". And not everything that's bad to inhale spawns the cough reflex, so even that isn't really good for much. Whatever hits your lungs hits your bloodstream WAY faster than anything going into your stomach, and there are far fewer barriers in that process.
All that to say, before people go off making comparisons between what they eat and what they breathe, realize that these are two TOTALLY different biological mechanisms.
I think everyone in this thread needs to step back and take a reality check, 98% of us at one time or another have smoked cigarettes, cigars, pipes and what not, all the while knowing that there was formaldehyde, cyanide and numerous other KNOWN TOXIC substances. So should you really have a problem with inhaling PG/VG with unknown "flavorings" added to it?
I don't and weigh the observed benefits of no longer smoking cigarettes far heavier than a artificial flavoring's potential identity. I personally don't care what company mixes up my eliquid, as long as it taste good and that I didn't have to meet him in some back alley to get. (However if that was how I had to get my first taste the elusive Pluid, I might consider) The reality of everyplace that mixes up the flavors having a in house lab verification would ultimately put them out of business, since most are essentially a "mom and pop" organization. Not too mention severely driving up the price of e-liquid as a whole for the end consumer. However the majority of them use USP certified ingredients which are thoroughly tested prior to being mixed up to your specifications and then shipped to your door for consumption.
I do understand why you would be worried, the unknown is a dangerous thing, for to reasons, 1 is not knowing what it is and 2 being that somethings can KILL you. So is it warranted yes but to what extent, afterall you were smoking cigs knowing full well they are dangerous and KILL people everyday, yet you still enjoyed them, til you found vaping as an alternative. Clearly the lesser of 2 evils, which I would think would only be a phase as well since the ultimate goal for most of you and myself is to break your self of a nicotine dependence. Do I plan on vaping for the next 16 years like I did cigarettes before I finally quit them. NO! In just 3 months I have already worked my way from 24-26mg nicotine down to 18mg eliquids. One day I will be able to say I do not intentionally intake chemicals into my body that could potentially harm myself, but until then I am happy with my suppliers of eliquid.
Now if only someone can do something about all this .... floating around the air outside of my house and stop the contaminants from flying out of toilets when you flush.
I don't and weigh the observed benefits of no longer smoking cigarettes far heavier than a artificial flavoring's potential identity. I personally don't care what company mixes up my eliquid, as long as it taste good and that I didn't have to meet him in some back alley to get. (However if that was how I had to get my first taste the elusive Pluid, I might consider
) The reality of everyplace that mixes up the flavors having a in house lab verification would ultimately put them out of business, since most are essentially a "mom and pop" organization. Not too mention severely driving up the price of e-liquid as a whole for the end consumer. However the majority of them use USP certified ingredients which are thoroughly tested prior to being mixed up to your specifications and then shipped to your door for consumption. I do understand why you would be worried, the unknown is a dangerous thing, for to reasons, 1 is not knowing what it is and 2 being that somethings can KILL you. So is it warranted yes but to what extent, afterall you were smoking cigs knowing full well they are dangerous and KILL people everyday, yet you still enjoyed them, til you found vaping as an alternative. Clearly the lesser of 2 evils, which I would think would only be a phase as well since the ultimate goal for most of you and myself is to break your self of a nicotine dependence. Do I plan on vaping for the next 16 years like I did cigarettes before I finally quit them. NO! In just 3 months I have already worked my way from 24-26mg nicotine down to 18mg eliquids. One day I will be able to say I do not intentionally intake chemicals into my body that could potentially harm myself, but until then I am happy with my suppliers of eliquid.
Now if only someone can do something about all this .... floating around the air outside of my house and stop the contaminants from flying out of toilets when you flush.
not too mention the reference to Coke, which world wide recognized or not still is the best thing to clean battery terminal with and the fact an actual NAIL will magically vanish inside a bottle of coke if left in there long enough. Bad reference
Anything with a high acid content will clean a battery terminal, those little bottles of lemon juice work better than coke.
Also the Nail thing was completely debunked as a hoax on multiple occasions Myth busters did an entire episode on Coke.
This is useful info. Hadn't really given it too much though but I would prefer not to use products that aren't produced in a controlled laboratory type environment. Nothing against the homebrew guys but I don't trust that people are being cautious and paying attention.
I'll try to respond to these, because you bring up valid points.
1. Bare minimum, each label should have, name of vendor, name of juice, "contains nicotine" warning, "born on" date, and nic strength. All of that information fits on a standard address label, which is the smallest I've seen regular vendors use.
2. A 3.67 ml glass bottle with a dropper cap can be purchased for 0.73 cents each if you buy them one at a time. 1 Dram Clear Glass Vial w/ Dropper if you buy 1,000 the price drops to .51 cents each. You can sell a sample selection kit and recoup your costs pretty quickly.
3. I agree, and WTA e-liquids are clearly labeled as such.
"What is the point of adding other additives found in cigarette when the purpose of vaping is to help people quit analogs?" Not everyone is addicted to nicotine, or rather not just nicotine. WTA e-juices contain the alkaloids that are missing from regular e-juice. Turns out I am more addicted to the antidepressants in cigarettes than I am to the nicotine. Without the "other additives" I have to supplant my vaping with the occasional cigarette, just so I don't turn into an irritable a$$hole. That aside, I don't think WTA should be added to all e-liquid, but it should be available to those who need it, like me.
Small companies, Large companies, Chinese companies, American companies it's Buyer Beware...re: PepsiCo...
A friend that coaches HS football banned Gatorade from being used on the field a long time ago...
PepsiCo replacing Gatorade ingredient also found in fire ......ants | Fox News
A friend that coaches HS football banned Gatorade from being used on the field a long time ago...
PepsiCo replacing Gatorade ingredient also found in fire ......ants | Fox News
Logical goof-up? Where? Are food ingredients and inhalants different? Of course - I never suggested otherwise, but the differences are completely irrelevant to the discussion.
"completely unregulated and contained opiates, lye, .......," - Lye will kill you if you ingest it. And if it doesn't kill you, most likely your throat, esophagus AND stomach would be so severely burned you would be eating out of a tube for the rest of your life.
"You would probably puke it up immediately"
True - and it would cause the same damage coming up as it did going down. Inhaling something is no more inherently dangerous than ingesting something. It all depends on the chemical.
And you also completely missed the argument's point. You're still arguing about the safety of the supplier - something I never denied. It's incredibly important to ensure that suppliers have quality control. In the coca-cola analogy, coca-cola is the supplier and the 7 eleven owner is the vendor. Maybe the analogy falls a little when asking them to open a BOTTLE of coca-cola, but let's use the slushie machine as a perfect example. What is the risk of the owner accidentally mixing lye or bleach into the slushie mix? High enough to hire a chemist to come in and test every batch? It's possible right? But because you know the quality control of the soda going into the slushie mix you feel safer. It's the same thing. If vendors use reputable suppliers I feel better about them mixing my liquid, the same way you feel better about 7 eleven owners mixing the slushie's because you know they use coca-cola as the main ingredient.
The whole analogy was about accepting & mitigating risk - not about comparing biological mechanisms. There are things that can kill you (and fast) in both categories.
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I don't sell eliquid, but I have embarked on a couple of sell-from-home ideas that taught me how easy it was to lose money. With all due respect, I have no personally-proven advice to give anyone on how to "recoup costs pretty quickly". I do have some knowledge of just how difficult it is to do, though. Think of the time to fill and label those little bottles. You can't just look at material costs without looking at time spent/labor cost.
I'm pretty certain vinegar can as well. And don't bring in to question the hydrochloric acid in your vomit.
Talking about irrelevant points by bring up more.
While Pepsi isn't at the least partially responsible, we've got our friends at the FDA to thank for approving its use in food. That and it was found in beverages from BOTH major manufacturers and a few others.
Its still approved for use in Canada.
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