EM or e-juice in general as it relates to diabetics

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DancingHeretik

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Hang in there Dancing. There are worse things than being diabetic. It's no fun but doesn't mean you can't live a normal life.
Sure...changes in eating habits, counting carbs, etc....but it is what it is and you just need to do what is best for you. I'll be thinking about you and sending good betic karma your way.
Thank you! Gawd, I'm such a baby!
 

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Thank you! Gawd, I'm such a baby!

Not a baby. Not at all.
Diabetes is a terrible affliction. And I think the part of what makes it so terrible is that the non-diabetic dont get it and think its not a big deal....just don't eat donuts and candy bars.....duh.

You have to live it, or live in the same house, to get it.

I feel your pain...I really do. It sucks. It sucks big time.
I think about every bite I take....every activity I'm doing...or might do...or want to do. I watch my daughter eat a PLATE FULL of waffles...:(....I love/loved waffles...and know that I can't. I get sooooo tired of checking my blood sugar to find out I spiked or plummeted for no reason.....but it's all good. I do what I can....nothing more. I give the effort and what's beyond my control is beyond my control. My wife and daughter watch and freak about the weather. They don't get why I don't freak about it. There's nothing I can do about it so I don't freak. I do what I can about my diabetes but have come to terms with the fact that Dad left me a little gift of his unique type.

But it's all good. All in all I'm in good shape....I can outwork or at least keep up with guys that are 20 years younger than me at work and I haven't come across anything that my diabetes has made me decline to try or do.

Naw.....your not a baby. Your human.

When you want/need to talk or vent, feel free to contact me to chat.
 

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Hawk, your kindness and understanding has made me speechless!

Ok. Not quite. Thank you! It's nice to know there are people like you in the world. You make the world seem a kinder place. My problems don't seem as bad as all that, not compared to other's anyway. So, I feel a little silly when it sneaks up on me like that. Thank you for making me feel a little less silly and for making my little problems seem a little less trivial.

Now, it's Danny's turn. Danny, how did your doctor's visit go?

And, back on topic:
Scubabatdan, sugar-free juice? I didn't know it had any sugar in it in the first place! I've never noticed any reaction to any of my juice. Of course, I don't like the sweeter tasting stuff anyway. So, maybe that's why.
 

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Hawk, your kindness and understanding has made me speechless!

Ok. Not quite. Thank you! It's nice to know there are people like you in the world. You make the world seem a kinder place. My problems don't seem as bad as all that, not compared to other's anyway. So, I feel a little silly when it sneaks up on me like that. Thank you for making me feel a little less silly and for making my little problems seem a little less trivial.

Now, it's Danny's turn. Danny, how did your doctor's visit go?

And, back on topic:
Scubabatdan, sugar-free juice? I didn't know it had any sugar in it in the first place! I've never noticed any reaction to any of my juice. Of course, I don't like the sweeter tasting stuff anyway. So, maybe that's why.

Yeah....I'm a sweetheart for sure:D
I get where you're coming from. I have times like that myself. I go through periods where my blood sugars will run very high for days on end for no apparent reason. Same food, same activity, etc....then just like **snap** ......days on end of lows.....can't eat enough to keep levels up....then it will level out for a while.
My endo was sooooooo sure it was me eating junk or whatever. She put me on a CGM ( continuous glucose monitoring) device. If your not familiar, it monitors your glucose levels 24 hours a day then they download the data and graph it. During that time I charted every bite, sip, activity and the time . Then they compare. When they compared and it was all whack she asked(accused) me of not being forthcoming.
I took a Friday off work and went to a lab for a long weekend where they hooked me up again to a CGM system and held me captive for 2 1/2 days.....fed me precise meals and snacks....logged my activities.....etc....then downloaded the CGM info and compared it all....whacked.
It was all goofy and didn't make sense. That's me....that was Dad....that's the way it is. I even dragged my 83 year old mom to an endo appt. one time to explain what my Dad had and Mom was sure I was somewhat the same way. Eh....enough about all that. It is what it is and it's all good.

Point is...don't let it get you down to bad Dancing. And like I said, if you ever want to vent/rant/scream(cuz that does help) feel free to contact me to do that.

And yeah....Danny...what did the doc say????
 

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I have Type-2 diabetes. No one else in my family has diabetes. Plus, I'm not insulin-dependent. That makes it easy to "forget" about my diabetes and to slack off and not take proper care of myself. Which is exactly what I've been doing for quite some time. I don't even know what my blood glucose levels are. I never even check them anymore.

After reading this, I think I need to be part of a group like this. I need the reminder that my diabetes is real and not just some vague, unreal concept. Besides, it's nice to know that I'm not alone.

After my initial 8 or so months of denial "I'm not diabetic cause I'm only on pills" Metformin. :rolleyes:But it made me SO sick, then "OK, I'm on injections but it's not insulin" byetta. $300 for a one month pen PLUS $45 for 90 days worth of needles. Worked well and I lost a total of 40 pounds in a year but just unaffordable. Now I'm on cheap, generic "diabetia" I have to watch my lows more than my highs now. I've gotten down to 56 and wasn't feeling well at all. (seeing the doctor on the 5th to adjust my dosage. This is my first month off byetta and on the pills.)

I finally admitted to my son one night when he came over "I'm diabetic". It was the first time I'd ever said it out loud and it actually made me realize I need to start taking this seriously.

Do a google search. You can get a free meter lots of places. The expense is test strips, so check how much they are (most brands I've found are roughly $1 a strip. That's $1 each time you check. I went with one called "Embrace" I paid for the meter ($8 I think) (It talks the reading and plays a merry tune while it's counting down. Just brightens the process a bit)but the strips I can get on amazon for $12 for a 50 bottle. Shipped.

Start with fasting and then one 2 hours after dinner. If those are "good" and holding after a couple days you shouldn't have to check more often than that.
Wash your hands and dry very well. ROTATE fingers! (Do NOT test on the finger you use to vape. It HURTS.) Also, test on the side of the finger, not the middle. so basically, not counting your vaping finger, you have 14 places to rotate.

Please come back and touch base with us. We NEED each other. (How come there's not a "hug" smiley?) <Hug>
 

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Not usually but I did eat a bowl of special K with splenda last night about 10PM. I do eat late dinners then snack on a few pretzles or peanuts until about 10pm.

Milk is sugar. Skim milk is ALL sugar, whole milk has a bit of fat to slow the release of it.
Pretzels are sugar (white flour)

Doesn't mean you can't have them, you NEED sugar to stabilize. But some. Not a lot. And slow-release, not the white flour.

Oatmeal might be a good substitute for the special K. (but I love it too. Red berries..nom nom nom.)
For something crunchy, maybe some nuts and berries added in. The peanuts are a good idea, but need a bit of (again slow-release) sugar. Do you like peanut butter? Spread it on some 100% whole wheat bread. Add a bit of agave nectar if you like, the way most people add honey.
 

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Milk is sugar. Skim milk is ALL sugar, whole milk has a bit of fat to slow the release of it.
Pretzels are sugar (white flour)

Doesn't mean you can't have them, you NEED sugar to stabilize. But some. Not a lot. And slow-release, not the white flour.

Oatmeal might be a good substitute for the special K. (but I love it too. Red berries..nom nom nom.)
For something crunchy, maybe some nuts and berries added in. The peanuts are a good idea, but need a bit of (again slow-release) sugar. Do you like peanut butter? Spread it on some 100% whole wheat bread. Add a bit of agave nectar if you like, the way most people add honey.

Milk only has around 12 grams of carbs (simple carbs) per cup that isn't much.
 

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The thing is before I quit smoking and started vaping I used to be so regular. Any time of day or night I was always a constant 105 - 125 now I'm all over the place. This concerns me. I do contribute it to quitting smoking and letting my diet go a bit. But now I find it so hard to get back on track but I'm trying.

Even using vaping, quitting smoking is still a major body stress.
My best friend was going thru radiation for breast cancer (she's fine now, after 3 rounds of it and lots of chemo and surgery) and her doctor told her to delay quitting smoking until she was done with her treatments. It would be to much stress on her body.
Sounded weird to me for a doctor to tell you to keep smoking, but she swears it's true.

I don't know your work schedule, but I had to put alarms on my phone to remind me to snack. I don't get hungry so I forget. Might help you. My phone is as stuck to me as my box mod is so it's not a problem. But I'm at home or the barn 99% of the time. I dunno how that would work in a job environment.

<Hugs, Hun> Just trying to help.
PLEASE no one take my word as what might work for you, we're all different and each thing affects us differently.

I think we're just here to try to help each other and give some support and ideas.
 

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Not a baby. Not at all.
Diabetes is a terrible affliction. And I think the part of what makes it so terrible is that the non-diabetic dont get it and think its not a big deal....just don't eat donuts and candy bars.....duh.

You have to live it, or live in the same house, to get it.

I feel your pain...I really do. It sucks. It sucks big time.
I think about every bite I take....every activity I'm doing...or might do...or want to do. I watch my daughter eat a PLATE FULL of waffles...:(....I love/loved waffles...and know that I can't. I get sooooo tired of checking my blood sugar to find out I spiked or plummeted for no reason.....but it's all good. I do what I can....nothing more. I give the effort and what's beyond my control is beyond my control. My wife and daughter watch and freak about the weather. They don't get why I don't freak about it. There's nothing I can do about it so I don't freak. I do what I can about my diabetes but have come to terms with the fact that Dad left me a little gift of his unique type.

But it's all good. All in all I'm in good shape....I can outwork or at least keep up with guys that are 20 years younger than me at work and I haven't come across anything that my diabetes has made me decline to try or do.

Naw.....your not a baby. Your human.

When you want/need to talk or vent, feel free to contact me to chat.

What he said.
You have to live with it to "get it"

It's hard to understand.

I can remember my Grandmother making my wedding cake and made a piece for my diabetic aunt without frosting "so she can enjoy some" it was a really sweet gesture, remembering it now; knowing what I know now; shows how people just don't understand.

I give the effort and what's beyond my control is beyond my control.
Well, there ya go. I personally think that's a great attitude.
 

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Milk only has around 12 grams of carbs (simple carbs) per cup that isn't much.

It isn't. You're right.
But with Danny being so brittle, it might make a difference. He just need to be sure to count that carb choice.
Just because it's not "sugar" doesn't mean your body doesn't treat it like sugar.
 

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It isn't. You're right.
But with Danny being so brittle, it might make a difference. He just need to be sure to count that carb choice.
Just because it's not "sugar" doesn't mean your body doesn't treat it like sugar.


The real problem comes when you use Insulin and have to eat carbs (you have to regardless) Simple Carbohydrates will spike your Glucose level they release Glucose very fast, Complex Carbohydrates release Glucose slowly over a much longer period of time. What we want to eat are Complex Carbohydrates unfortunately Diabetics Crave Simple Carbohydrates.
 

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The real problem comes when you use Insulin and have to eat carbs (you have to regardless) Simple Carbohydrates will spike your Glucose level they release Glucose very fast, Complex Carbohydrates release Glucose slowly over a much longer period of time. What we want to eat are Complex Carbohydrates unfortunately Diabetics Crave Simple Carbohydrates.

true.
I'm not on insulin.
But I realize I have better control if I eat SOME complex carbs at every meal and snack. Trouble is, those simple carbs are calling me. I can hear them!
And it's EXPENSIVE to "eat right"
Junk food is so cheap.
 

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true.
I'm not on insulin.
But I realize I have better control if I eat SOME complex carbs at every meal and snack. Trouble is, those simple carbs are calling me. I can hear them!
And it's EXPENSIVE to "eat right"
Junk food is so cheap.
I hear you!!!

I talk with my Doctor all the time and eating healthy is way beyond my meager budget.


BTW

Did you know that craving those simple carbs is part of the disease.
 

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I hear you!!!

I talk with my Doctor all the time and eating healthy is way beyond my meager budget.


BTW

Did you know that craving those simple carbs is part of the disease.

yup. One of the first signs is uncontrollable craving simple carbs.
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I still have a tough time with hubby on this point.
Somehow, he was raised to believe that when you crave something, your body needs it. "I'm craving bacon. Must need some salt"

I try, try, try to explain to him that, for example, one of the first signs of diabetes is craving sugar, and you definitely don't NEED that.

"You WANT bacon. You don't NEED bacon."

He still doesn't get it. :facepalm:
Whatever.
I had to just let it go. It's not worth an argument.
 

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I did just make some treats that help satisfy the urge for a cookie. (OK, not completely, but I can tell myself "wanna cookie? There's a cookie you can have")
And they're relatively cheap, if you can remember to pick up a banana at the store.
I thought I'd share.

Realize that bananas are high in simple sugar, (one of the highest of all fruits) so don't go nuts with them, but they help me " grab and go" a quick snack. The oatmeal will have slow release carbs.
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1 mashed banana
1/2 cup oats (I use "5 grain rolled hot cereal") but any oats will do.
1/4 cup chopped walnut. (or any nut you like)
(makes 7 cookies)

Mix 'em up, drop onto parchment paper or spray a cookie sheet, bake 15 minutes. (at 350)

Per cookie:
Calories
60
Total Carbohydrates
7.7g
Dietary Fiber
1.2g
Sugars
2.0g

I just had 2 for lunch. (That's all nothing else..."small frequent meals" I have to keep telling myself.)
Next time I make them, I might add some dehydrated strawberries.
 
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How did your dr. appt. go today Danny?
hope all was good.

Actually not quite how I expected. The doctor was so pleased that I quit smoking and actually encoraged me to keep vaping. He did not over react as I expected him to at my blood sugar levels and said that I need to work on it to get it lower. He still over emphized that I must loose 10 pounds. What was alarming was my blood pressure. Last time I went I was 152 over 86. This time I was 164 over 95 which is in the heart attack strokeville range. He immidately put me on blood pressure meds. So the adventure begins.
 

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Ok, ok, you're right. I'll see if I can dig up my kit. But, my blood sugar has never, ever tested anywhere nearly as high as yours has. High enough to cause long-term damage, yes. I'm not worried about anything else at this point.

But, this thread did inspire me to go to the kitchen and start preparing some good, healthy, low-carb food for myself.

I think I'm more scared than I consciously realize because every time I look at this thread I start to cry.

How long has it been since you've seen your doctor? If longer then 1 year you should go see them. Keep use posted. Were here to help and support you. You never know what they have to say may actually put your mind at ease. If not you'll have the whole picture and be in a better position to put yourself on the right track.
 
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I finally admitted to my son one night when he came over "I'm diabetic". It was the first time I'd ever said it out loud and it actually made me realize I need to start taking this seriously.

Good for you.

When you mentioned the metformin getting you sick that kind of made me chuckle. I gather by sick you ment "Oh my god I hope I mak it to the bathroom on time" kinda sick. Why it makes me chuckle it's because I've been through that so many times and also (Not ashamed to admit it) havent always made it. A funny thing about that. The med usually doesn't have that effect unless your blood is very out of wack. It triggers your body to start dumping the bad stuff in a hurry. When your blood is at an acceptable level it that doesen't happen. I get the same syomtoms with acto plus met. So don't think it was just you. Talk to your doctor about it.
 
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