EM or e-juice in general as it relates to diabetics

[dannyv45]

Milk is sugar. Skim milk is ALL sugar, whole milk has a bit of fat to slow the release of it.
Pretzels are sugar (white flour)

I didn't know that. All this time I'm drinking 1% or 2% thinking it's better for me then whole milk.

 

[dannyv45]

Now just to get back on topic. What do you all think about vaping sweet mixes such as fruits, candies etc vs. vaping less sweet such as tobaccos, erbs etc. Do you think it has any significant influence on sugar levels.

 

[michaelsil1]

Now just to get back on topic. What do you all think about vaping sweet mixes such as fruits, candies etc vs. vaping less sweet such as tobaccos, erbs etc. Do you think it has any significant influence on sugar levels.

Satisfy your sweet tooth with sweet vapes

 

[dannyv45]

It isn't. You're right.
But with Danny being so brittle, it might make a difference. He just need to be sure to count that carb choice.
Just because it's not "sugar" doesn't mean your body doesn't treat it like sugar.

Just to set the recort straight and let me start by saying that I already know no ill intention was ment and please no appoligy is needed. I'm not brittle I'm infact quite healthy physically and very mobile and active. I have no serious ailments resulting from the diabeties. My sugars are way off from what they should and usually are and I'm just wanting to get back to where I was.
Everybody here has been so supportive with great suggestions and this is the most important ingredient in this thread. Lets keep things going here because it's very important to me and all fellow vapors with diabeties.

Edit:
If your drawing that conclusion from my avatar shame on you for not realizing that, that's a character from "The lord of the rings"

 

[Princessdee]

Edit:
If your drawing that conclusion from my avatar shame on you for not realizing thats a charactor from "The lord of the rings"

HUGE fan. I got the "Endless love" pendant for Christmas after it came out. Haven't taken it off.

 

[Princessdee]

Just to set the recort straight and let me start by saying that I already know no ill intention was ment and please no appoligy is needed. I'm not brittle I'm infact quite healthy physically and very mobile and active. I have no serious ailments resulting from the diabeties. My sugars are way off from what they should and usually are and I'm just wanting to get back to where I was.
Everybody here has been so supportive with great suggestions and this is the most important ingredient in this thread. Lets keep things going here because it's very important to me and all fellow vapors with diabeties.

My bad. I was worried that you couldn't get your numbers under control.
But my philosophy is "If my doctor is happy, I'm happy" I have A1C drawn every six months and she hovers over me like a mother hen. I love her.

 

[Princessdee]

Now just to get back on topic. What do you all think about vaping sweet mixes such as fruits, candies etc vs. vaping less sweet such as tobaccos, erbs etc. Do you think it has any significant influence on sugar levels.

I do not,honestly, see a difference between EM and sucralose in my vapes with my fingersticks.

I only did tobacco flavors for a short time after I quit and moved on to fruit and coffee and bakery cause tobacco made me want a cigarette. So dunno. Don't have any to test with. But I can remember some tobaccos being quite sweet (RY4 comes to mind) so maybe it depends on the specific tobacco flavors. Dunno

Not much help, but EM or sucralose doesn't make a difference, to me. That's me.
YMMV

 

[Princessdee]

I didn't know that. All this time I'm drinking 1% or 2% thinking it's better for me then whole milk.

I use skim. (got a weight problem) But my doctor did warn me that it's sugar, she said use it sparingly. ("Don't drink a gallon thinking skim milk is a "free food" is what she said)
She also said that doesn't mean it's bad. Your brain needs carbs to function. She told me just be aware and count the carb choices. If you like 1% or 2%, use that. count 1/2 cup as 1 carb.

 

[dannyv45]

My bad. I was worried that you couldn't get your numbers under control.
But my philosophy is "If my doctor is happy, I'm happy" I have A1C drawn every six months and she hovers over me like a mother hen. I love her.

Actually as I was reviewing what I wrote I just happened to glance at my avatar and thought to myself I hope they weren't drawing there conclusions from my avatar. I laughed out loud and my co-workers sitting next to me thought I went nuts prompting me to write that edit.

 

[Princessdee]

Good for you.

When you mentioned the metformin getting you sick that kind of made me chuckle. I gather by sick you ment "Oh my god I hope I mak it to the bathroom on time" kinda sick. Why it makes me chuckle it's because I've been through that so many times and also (Not ashamed to admit it) havent always made it. A funny thing about that. The med usually doesn't have that effect unless your blood is very out of wack. It triggers your body to start dumping the bad stuff in a hurry. When your blood is at an acceptable level it that doesen't happen. I get the same syomtoms with acto plus met. So don't think it was just you. Talk to your doctor about it.

Yup Didn't make it a few times myself.
Happened EVERY time I ate. So I cut myself to one meal a day. Not good, but it's how I coped.
I told my old doctor about it every time I saw him for 2 years and he blew it off. The new doctor immediately pulled me off it. for byetta. Good stuff. Pricey. Stayed on it a year. Can't afford it. So I'm on diabeta now. First month on it but doing good.

Thank you for sharing that. I does make me feel better knowing I'm not alone. <hug>

 

[dannyv45]

I do not,honestly, see a difference between EM and sucralose in my vapes with my fingersticks.

I only did tobacco flavors for a short time after I quit and moved on to fruit and coffee and bakery cause tobacco made me want a cigarette.

I vape mostly tobacco and no sweet vapes. I just tried this coffee vape 2 days ago that I had sitting around for about 2 months. I really should have tried it sooner because it's so good. But it has a sweetness to it that concerned me.

 

[dannyv45]

Yup Didn't make it a few times myself.
Happened EVERY time I ate. So I cut myself to one meal a day. Not good, but it's how I coped.
I told my old doctor about it every time I saw him for 2 years and he blew it off. The new doctor immediately pulled me off it. for byetta. Good stuff. Pricey. Stayed on it a year. Can't afford it. So I'm on diabeta now. First month on it but doing good.

Thank you for sharing that. I does make me feel better knowing I'm not alone. <hug>

I'm still on the acto plus met and when my blood level is good it's not a problem. The reason I stay on it is It works so I put up with the occasional potty problem.

 

[Princessdee]

have you done a fasting fingerstick, then (still fasting) vape for an hour or so, then fingerstick again?

Now, just unflavored 100% PG will raise me a few points doing that so you might wanna do that one morning for a baseline before you test the coffee.

I'll send ya some unflavored if you don't have any if you PM me your nic level and address and want to test it.

 

[dannyv45]

Thanks for the offer I have pleanty of PG, VG and Nic base so none needed. I'm getting to be an old hand at mixing my own. I think first thing in the morning then an hour later after vaping sounds like a good idea but I need to get my sugars stablized first. If I do coffee one morning then unflavored the next that should give me a good idea. I've read from a number of sources that the sugars in vape juice are pretty negligable regardless of tobacco or sweet juices as far as it effecting diabetics.

 

[DancingHeretik]

I finally admitted to my son one night when he came over "I'm diabetic". It was the first time I'd ever said it out loud and it actually made me realize I need to start taking this seriously.

I actually freaked out and took it seriously right away. It took a long time for me to re-learn how to eat though. But, I did slowly learn and improve. Until I lost all the weight and starting getting low blood sugar levels instead of high. Then it got more complicated. Moderation is much more difficult than extremes.

The fear of amputation or blindness put the fear of God in me right away. But, it took some time for me to actually check my blood sugar myself. Just reading the instructions and seeing the word "lance" kept making me nauseous.

Do a google search. You can get a free meter lots of places. The expense is test strips, so check how much they are (most brands I've found are roughly $1 a strip. That's $1 each time you check. I went with one called "Embrace" I paid for the meter ($8 I think) (It talks the reading and plays a merry tune while it's counting down. Just brightens the process a bit)but the strips I can get on amazon for $12 for a 50 bottle. Shipped.

That sounds like a good deal. Thanks.

Please come back and touch base with us. We NEED each other. (How come there's not a "hug" smiley?) <Hug>

 

[DancingHeretik]

Milk is sugar. Skim milk is ALL sugar, whole milk has a bit of fat to slow the release of it.
Pretzels are sugar (white flour)

Doesn't mean you can't have them, you NEED sugar to stabilize. But some. Not a lot. And slow-release, not the white flour.

Oatmeal might be a good substitute for the special K. (but I love it too. Red berries..nom nom nom.)
For something crunchy, maybe some nuts and berries added in. The peanuts are a good idea, but need a bit of (again slow-release) sugar. Do you like peanut butter? Spread it on some 100% whole wheat bread. Add a bit of agave nectar if you like, the way most people add honey.

Milk is sugar? Oh, no! What about fat free?

I happened to find out I was diabetic right at the end of going through menopause. Based on my increased need for calcium, I've been drinking a fair amount of fat free milk. Should I not then?

Because of my high cholesterol levels and the fact that it runs in the family (along with heart attacks), my doctor recommended old-fashioned oatmeal for breakfast every day (not quick oats).

I love peanut butter. But, I've discovered that most peanut butter has lots of sugar. Have you tried Simply Jif? It has much less sugar and salt than other peanut butters.

I talk with my Doctor all the time and eating healthy is way beyond my meager budget.

BTW.
Did you know that craving those simple carbs is part of the disease.

Yes, it is definitely more expensive. But, the expense is the least of it. It's just plain work! You have to think about every little detail. You have to read labels because things that say "Natural" aren't and things that say "Whole Wheat" aren't. There's chopping vegetables and such. And, there's always having to have safe food made and eating tiny little amounts - constantly.

It's strange. I never craved sweets in my life - until my blood sugar started dipping below 70. But, if I eat my tiny little amounts constantly like I'm supposed to and if I keep my blood sugar where it's supposed to be, I never get hungry and never crave sweets.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Actually not quite how I expected. The doctor was so pleased that I quit smoking and actually encoraged me to keep vaping. He did not over react as I expected him to at my blood sugar levels and said that I need to work on it to get it lower. He still over emphized that I must loose 10 pounds. What was alarming was my blood pressure. Last time I went I was 152 over 86. This time I was 164 over 95 which is in the heart attack strokeville range. He immidately put me on blood pressure meds. So the adventure begins.

I'm glad your doctor wasn't overly concerned about your sugar levels. But, not about your blood pressure. Does he think diabetes contributed?

How long has it been since you've seen your doctor? If longer then 1 year you should go see them. Keep use posted. Were here to help and support you. You never know what they have to say may actually put your mind at ease. If not you'll have the whole picture and be in a better position to put yourself on the right track.

I saw the doctor about 9 months ago. My blood sugar wasn't perfect, but not really bad either. And, I'm not getting any extreme symptoms like I was back when I first found out I was diabetic. For all I know my levels might even be ok. I promise I will find my meter and strips sometime in the next couple of days and check to make sure.

What I do know is that my diet leaves a lot to be desired and so does my weight. That concerns me. And, compounded with my high cholesterol, I'm a bit scared. I need to stop burying my head in the sand and dealing with it.

 

[dannyv45]

I saw the doctor about 9 months ago. My blood sugar wasn't perfect, but not really bad either. And, I'm not getting any extreme symptoms like I was back when I first found out I was diabetic. For all I know my levels might even be ok. I promise I will find my meter and strips sometime in the next couple of days and check to make sure.

What I do know is that my diet leaves a lot to be desired and so does my weight. That concerns me. And, compounded with my high cholesterol, I'm a bit scared. I need to stop burying my head in the sand and dealing with it.

I would check in with your doctor and start testing your blood. Not monitoring yourself for 9 months is a long time expecially if your not following a regulated diet. Thats just inviting all sorts of problems.

 

[xpackaday]

I notice that my numbers have been higher. Not much change in the diet. I was for years between 100 and 130 in the morning, but have seen a swing of a lot of 140 to 160's. I have been vapeing for about 4 months now.

Don't know if it has any thing to do with vapeing, or just some other change or stress, etc....

 

[Princessdee]

Milk is sugar? Oh, no! What about fat free?

I happened to find out I was diabetic right at the end of going through menopause. Based on my increased need for calcium, I've been drinking a fair amount of fat free milk. Should I not then?

Because of my high cholesterol levels and the fact that it runs in the family (along with heart attacks), my doctor recommended old-fashioned oatmeal for breakfast every day (not quick oats).

I love peanut butter. But, I've discovered that most peanut butter has lots of sugar. Have you tried Simply Jif? It has much less sugar and salt than other peanut butters.


Yes, it is definitely more expensive. But, the expense is the least of it. It's just plain work! You have to think about every little detail. You have to read labels because things that say "Natural" aren't and things that say "Whole Wheat" aren't. There's chopping vegetables and such. And, there's always having to have safe food made and eating tiny little amounts - constantly.

It's strange. I never craved sweets in my life - until my blood sugar started dipping below 70. But, if I eat my tiny little amounts constantly like I'm supposed to and if I keep my blood sugar where it's supposed to be, I never get hungry and never crave sweets.

Awww! You found a hug smiley for me. That was sweet of you!

I'm so sorry that I didn't make myself clear.
Of course, drink milk.
Just realize it's not water and has sugar in it.
You can't drink a quart of milk and it not affect your blood sugar level, that's all I really meant.

Milk is good, you need calcium, Vit D, all that other stuff, and you NEED some carbs.

Oatmeal is good. I like "Bob's Red Mill 5 grain rolled hot cereal" I get it at Big lots, usually. I make a pan of it on the weekend then stick it in the fridge. I lie to add a few walnuts and raisins to it, but raisins have a lot of sugar, so go easy.) Just take out a half cup, add a bit of water, nuke and eat during the week.

Peanut butter does have a lot of sugar, and some brands, a lot of salt. I don't care much for it, but Hubby eats it often. I will look at the simply jiff label next time I need some. Thank you.

I'm a sweet craver from childhood. I have trouble passing them up. I have learned to substitute, sometimes, but sometimes I just can't.
I'm VERY lucky, I realize, from reading this thread. My A1C stays under 7, and I can occasionally cheat without consequences.

I just have to learn, and I am, slowly; to balance whole grain carbs instead of simple carbs with my protein to be as healthy as possible on a budget.
I know most of you have the same problem.