Encourage or Discourage eCigs?
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Actually, no one knows if vaping is harmful, or how harmful it is if it is. I suspect NOT filling your lungs with foreign substances would have to be the least harmful thing we could do.
We believe, based on what our bodies tell us that vaping is much less harmful than cigarettes, but no one knows for sure. There is virtually no long term research.
We believe, based on what our bodies tell us that vaping is much less harmful than cigarettes, but no one knows for sure. There is virtually no long term research.
They might want to experience the positive effects of nicotine.
What are those positive effects?
Here, let me google that for you.
Have fun!
I would say the negatives far outweigh the positives of nicotine. Ask any smoker or vaper if they wish they weren't addicted to nicotine and the answer will most likely be yes. That should tell you right there that you don't want to develop an addiction to nicotine.
I would discourage anyone that has not smoked to use ecigs. If I had a choice I would not have a vaping habit. I love that it has allowed me to get off real cigs but why spend the time or money if you didn't need to?
I've helped a buddy recently upgrading to a tube mod.
Got another friend who is seriously considering it. Think I may set him up with one of my older eGos (though I need to get some chargers and delivery systems).
Actually most of my friends enjoy using my sets, but only 2 so far are really interested.
My great-aunt uses disposables, which seems to be her pace (uses them when she doesn't want to go outside) but if I could get her to switch over entirely that'd be great. She is super techy so I think it'd be pretty easy if she wanted to.
Got another friend who is seriously considering it. Think I may set him up with one of my older eGos (though I need to get some chargers and delivery systems).
Actually most of my friends enjoy using my sets, but only 2 so far are really interested.
My great-aunt uses disposables, which seems to be her pace (uses them when she doesn't want to go outside) but if I could get her to switch over entirely that'd be great. She is super techy so I think it'd be pretty easy if she wanted to.
out of my whole post that's all you have to say?
i suppose you think the world is actually round too...but only because everyone else thinks its flat right ? (hehehehe just poking fun)
its ok to be different, i respect that. But you got the answer you wanted and came back at me with the exact opposite.
in the end its totally up to the person what they will do, we all have freedom of choice in our lives. When asked my opinion i would give it, as i would expect you would. The simple answer to all this is if someone asked ME i would tell them i cannot recommend it if they have never smoked. I say this because they are clearly looking for something, perhaps a "high" or just something fun to make themselves look cool. But there are so many easier and safer ways to do it than with a PV. If i even had an inkling the person may be trying to self medicate i would suggest they see a doctor and ask them about their opinion. Yes nicotine can have a great calming effect, but it can also make you sick. Each individual person must do their own risk analysis before taking up something that could become a chemical addiction, like nicotine.
i suppose you think the world is actually round too...but only because everyone else thinks its flat right ? (hehehehe just poking fun)
its ok to be different, i respect that. But you got the answer you wanted and came back at me with the exact opposite.
in the end its totally up to the person what they will do, we all have freedom of choice in our lives. When asked my opinion i would give it, as i would expect you would. The simple answer to all this is if someone asked ME i would tell them i cannot recommend it if they have never smoked. I say this because they are clearly looking for something, perhaps a "high" or just something fun to make themselves look cool. But there are so many easier and safer ways to do it than with a PV. If i even had an inkling the person may be trying to self medicate i would suggest they see a doctor and ask them about their opinion. Yes nicotine can have a great calming effect, but it can also make you sick. Each individual person must do their own risk analysis before taking up something that could become a chemical addiction, like nicotine.
Jman, how long did you smoke before you went cold turkey? The only people I know that have successfully gone cold turkey are people in their 20s that haven't smoked that long. Everyone I know that has quit that is 30+ required help to quit, whether it was the patch, gum, drugs, vaping, whatever. I smoked 31 years and tried to quit cold turkey several times, all of which were unsuccessful. When I switched to vaping it was so easy to quit that I almost felt like I was cheating somehow. Time will tell if I'm successful this time but I know that if I keep feeling the way I feel right now it will be successful. I did not experience this with the cold turkey method. I was aggravated all the time and was probably not a very nice person to be around. Switching to vaping eliminates the health risks starting immediately and gets better as you move on with your life. It allows you to safely deal with your addiction in your own way and your own time. As long as it keeps working for me I will continue to encourage this method over any other method available.
I'm not sure that nicotine, by itself without the MAOIs in tobacco, is all that much more addictive than caffeine.
And I'm not sure that nicotine, by itself, is all that much more harmful than caffeine either.
On the other hand, I'm sure there are people who are more prone to nicotine addiction than other people.
I could definitely see informing someone who has ulcerative colitis (just one example) of the concept of using nicotine.
In fact, there is at least one vaper who started vaping and using nicotine for this very reason.
We have seen a few people here on this forum who have started using nicotine for health reasons.
And a common theme is that they keep having to remind themselves to vape.
So would I encourage people to start using nicotine for medical reasons?
Inform, maybe, but encourage is too strong a word.
But what about the proven benefits of improving memory, concentration, and attention?
Is the potential harm that can be caused by nicotine worth it?
Not for me to decide, but I wouldn't encourage nicotine use for that reason anymore than caffeine use.
So to summarize, would I encourage nicotine use for people under any circumstances?
Again, I have to say encourage is too strong a word, but I would certainly never withhold information from anyone.
As for me, I currently vape 12mg nicotine strength, and have been for 42 months.
And I intend to stay there, because I WANT to use nicotine, even though I currently have no addiction to it.
So basically, you're asking if I would encourage someone to do what I am doing.
I suppose I wouldn't, but I'm not entirely certain I would discourage it in all cases either.
And now if you'll excuse me, it is 11:46am here where I live, and I have yet to have my first vape.
So I guess this thread has reminded me that perhaps I might have one about now.
And I'm not sure that nicotine, by itself, is all that much more harmful than caffeine either.
On the other hand, I'm sure there are people who are more prone to nicotine addiction than other people.
I could definitely see informing someone who has ulcerative colitis (just one example) of the concept of using nicotine.
In fact, there is at least one vaper who started vaping and using nicotine for this very reason.
We have seen a few people here on this forum who have started using nicotine for health reasons.
And a common theme is that they keep having to remind themselves to vape.
So would I encourage people to start using nicotine for medical reasons?
Inform, maybe, but encourage is too strong a word.
But what about the proven benefits of improving memory, concentration, and attention?
Is the potential harm that can be caused by nicotine worth it?
Not for me to decide, but I wouldn't encourage nicotine use for that reason anymore than caffeine use.
So to summarize, would I encourage nicotine use for people under any circumstances?
Again, I have to say encourage is too strong a word, but I would certainly never withhold information from anyone.
As for me, I currently vape 12mg nicotine strength, and have been for 42 months.
And I intend to stay there, because I WANT to use nicotine, even though I currently have no addiction to it.
So basically, you're asking if I would encourage someone to do what I am doing.
I suppose I wouldn't, but I'm not entirely certain I would discourage it in all cases either.
And now if you'll excuse me, it is 11:46am here where I live, and I have yet to have my first vape.
So I guess this thread has reminded me that perhaps I might have one about now.
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If you'll read through my posts, you'll see that I asked you what your motivation was for starting this thread, but never mind.
I try to respond to threads on here because I like to help anyone who is new or curious about other members' experiences. I also like to just chat with other members and enjoy the sense of community. My sense is you like to confront people and be argumentative. I don't enjoy that, so I'll bow out and leave you to argue with those who do.
Have a nice day.
Based on your scenario, NO, I would not encourage. I would never encourage anyone to use any substance known to be addictive in general UNLESS there were likely benefits to that person if they were to begin using that substance and your scenario didn't give me any reason to think here would be benefits to your person.
One wonders how many newbies come to eCig forums looking for assistance in vaping information, and are people who are non-smokers?
I do not wonder if some vapers would encourage an addiction such as vaping (nicotine). I see it often / daily. Since there are so many ways to spin this while exercising plausible deniability, I'll just leave this thread alone I guess and trust that most are not knowingly willing to encourage vaping to those who may otherwise be non-smokers.
I do not wonder if some vapers would encourage an addiction such as vaping (nicotine). I see it often / daily. Since there are so many ways to spin this while exercising plausible deniability, I'll just leave this thread alone I guess and trust that most are not knowingly willing to encourage vaping to those who may otherwise be non-smokers.
Your logic is weak.
There is a clear difference between discouraging someone from starting an activity that will lead to a substance addiction and attempting to ban a safe effective way for those already addicted to that substance to quit a dangerous activity.
Encourage. I get tired of people going on and on about "addiction." If you removed all the added salt from your diet, so that you only got the amount of salt you needed to maintain health, you'd hate life for a while. Same with sugar. Same with driving. People talk about being addicted to caffeine, carbohydrates, smart phones, video games, the Internet. Come on.
Jails are full of people who commit violent crimes to satisfy their addictions. Recovery groups are stacked with members who have harrowing tails of how they destroyed their family, their career, and their financial well-being due to addictions.
Funny thing: You don't find people committing violent crimes or destroying their career over nicotine or caffeine or smart phones.
Sure, people who suffer debilitating health conditions due to smoking can't bring themselves to stop. But they also can't bring themselves to start an exercise program either. Are they addicted to inactivity?
People have all kinds of behavioral patterns that they cannot break. Some are odious, like those of serial wife-beaters. Others are benign, like biting your fingernails. In my opinion, statements to the effect of "I'm an addict" by people who use nicotine, caffeine, or nail-biting to eek out some modicum of pleasure or enjoyment in this bleak and indifferent world are sheer hyperbole.
In the scheme of things, if you want to make your life better, if giving up nicotine (as nicotine, separate from smoking) isn't pretty low on your list, then you're either (a) damn near perfect otherwise, or (b) focusing on minor things.
So I say let your friend give it a try. If your friend likes it (regardless of nicotine content), then you've done a good deed.
Jails are full of people who commit violent crimes to satisfy their addictions. Recovery groups are stacked with members who have harrowing tails of how they destroyed their family, their career, and their financial well-being due to addictions.
Funny thing: You don't find people committing violent crimes or destroying their career over nicotine or caffeine or smart phones.
Sure, people who suffer debilitating health conditions due to smoking can't bring themselves to stop. But they also can't bring themselves to start an exercise program either. Are they addicted to inactivity?
People have all kinds of behavioral patterns that they cannot break. Some are odious, like those of serial wife-beaters. Others are benign, like biting your fingernails. In my opinion, statements to the effect of "I'm an addict" by people who use nicotine, caffeine, or nail-biting to eek out some modicum of pleasure or enjoyment in this bleak and indifferent world are sheer hyperbole.
In the scheme of things, if you want to make your life better, if giving up nicotine (as nicotine, separate from smoking) isn't pretty low on your list, then you're either (a) damn near perfect otherwise, or (b) focusing on minor things.
So I say let your friend give it a try. If your friend likes it (regardless of nicotine content), then you've done a good deed.
You know, it's really their decision. I wouldn't encourage it. But, I would explain to them why you are vapeing and how addicted you are to it. And explain its their choice, but over all not a wise one. Encourage 0 nic use or low nic use if they decide to get into it.
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I would encourgage them to vape, it is an awesome hobby and perfectally safe. far better than smoking or chewing rocks....
Your logic is weak. There is nothing to guarantee the substance addiction. Some people understand / employ moderation in their use of all substances.
If (allegedly) addictive substances were forbidden from being advertised / encouraged, we'd have almost nothing for sale on the current market.
Your logic is along lines of - addiction is bad, hey you who are addicted to that substance I despise, come over here and get addicted to this substance I'm okay with. But remember all you people who might wish to try this - on principle, addiction is bad.
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