Facts about dry burning SS 316L

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Fredman1

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Yeah sure, check the welding temps of 316 and the temps of your catalytic converter, or your grill, or anything that uses stainless steel, if you want Neil Degrass Tyson to come in and say it's safe good luck, but SS is used at high temp all the time safely and 316 isn't special.
Doubt Neil Degrass will know and that's exactly the point...he'll have to consult a metallurgist and other experts. These things hasn't been studied in a vaping environment. Similar to the carcinogens at low wattage thread, there might be something interesting in it for us vaping people....

Look, i've welded st st for years on and off, and spent many hours engulfed by fumes....many a sore throat later, i'm still here, so i'm confident we're on safeish ground...for whatever thats worth.
All i'm saying all along is, it would be good to get a complete answer from a qualified person as to how safe it really is...or indeed if there by some chance is a risk, what is it and how do we avoid it.
 
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I pulse dry burn my ss coils when they get gunked and place it under water and burn off the water to get what's left over off the coil. I will typically dry burn my coils four or five times before putting in a fresh one, and with wire being so cheap I don't have a problem doing so.
 

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Two things I'd add, one of which is just a matter of style, but when I rewick and clean I first rinse off the excess juice from the coil and shake it dry. That way I'm not spending time burning of juice. I'm just burning off whatever crud is on the coil. I then rinse off any remaining residue dry, and insert the new cotton. It's an extra step to rinse first but it's just how I do it.

On the question of temperature control I am pretty much a TC vape and have no issues with cleaned SS in use. I also frequently build contact coils and they work just fine for me so spaced isn't really a rule to always build for TC use.
 

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I have heard really dry-burning only could cause undesirable byproducts, but that it's okay to pulse them. It may or may not be true, but since it's really not so much extra effort expended, I usually rinse my coil, scrubbing at it. Then I use q-tips dipped in alcohol to gently swab away any excess gunk trapped in or under the coil. I rinse again, and then gently pluse, for not very long, and in stages, so the wire doesn't get as hot (presumably). It really doesn't take much extra time, and since recoiling is (usually) my least favorite step in the process, I want my coils to last, and to remain in good shape. If the true risk is minimal (I'm quite sure it is) well, it is also something easy enough to avoid, that I do avoid cleaning SS via dry burning only, and I'm fairly certain my coils actually get cleaner using the method I use than they would by dry burning only.

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Look, i've welded st st for years on and off, and spent many hours engulfed by fumes....many a sore throat later, i'm still here, so i'm confident we're on safeish ground...for whatever thats worth.
All i'm saying all along is, it would be good to get a complete answer from a qualified person as to how safe it really is...or indeed if there by some chance is a risk, what is it and how do we avoid it.

It might be good, but that will take someone actually measuring a glowing coil with a gas chromatograph to see what, if anything, is in fact released and how much. The problem is, no one has done that. So all we have is historical evidence from other uses and sources, most of which has been outlined above. I can all but guarantee that while actually vaping, SS wire is not giving off anything. If it did, at those temps, we would have been wiped out by our cookware decades ago. So the only question is dry burning. If you have truly spent "many hours engulfed by fumes" from welding SS, then anything released from dry burning is going to be so minuscule it shouldn't even register to you. However, if you really want to be sure, just replace your coil when it needs cleaned instead of dry burning.
 
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This entire thing about the toxins was only a scare I guess from the information that I received from someone in a vape shop today, one of the workers there. He says he never used stainless steel because there's a lot of toxins released once it's dry burned even a little bit. He said that once you dry burn it you can't use it anymore. So my confusion caused me to ask. I know it didn't make much sense what he said but I was still confused.
Welders weld it, we cook with it, we have it in our bodies, etc. etc. It's safe, the only time it toxins are released are at it's melting point.

Don't stress about it, if you still are stressing about it do a few google searches.
 

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Welders weld it, we cook with it, we have it in our bodies, etc. etc. It's safe, the only time it toxins are released are at it's melting point.

Don't stress about it, if you still are stressing about it do a few google searches.

Yeah, I forgot to state earlier that there's just over 20 pounds of SS & Titanium rods holding my lower spine together, and have been cooking with 304 Surgical grade SS with Titanium set for over 25 years, probably closer to 30. While the frying pans will smoke when heating, have eaten lots of food from these, would had been dead before the implants were installed in my spine in 2006.

Yet then again, I seriously doubt that the 304 SS & Titanium pans ever reached 500C. Although did deliberately burn off my best Lodge cast iron frying pan on the grill outdoors for 4 straight hours at close to 600C (temp measured by thermometer on grill), allowed to cool inside of grill naturally. Removed the next morning, scrubbed with the plastic side of a green ScotchBrite pad and hot water (no soap), all of that gunk from a couple of years of cooking popped right off.:)

Sprayed with cooking oil & performed as good as new again. As I recall it, my grandparents also threw their cast iron pans in the big pot bellied stove to essentially do the same (more often than I) & it worked. My guess is that many of us from the 60's or beyond wouldn't be here today if these practices were bad, although don't recall iron being used for coil wire, metal is still metal to a degree. And for home users, I'd say that these cast iron pans were as hot as it comes, one I seen glowing red. Yet I ate cornbread prepared in it the next day, many times over & have never had an adverse effect.;)

My guess is that if the welders can handle the fumes, although with some type of masks on, still doesn't catch all of the fumes & haven't heard of OSHA shutting down all of the operations where this work is performed. If so, the SS industry would have been out of business long ago in the US.

Therefore, I doubt that dry hitting SS (or whatever type of) coils in pulses or the wire before making these are unlikely to do any harm, it's not like most of us with sane minds are sniffing what few fumes are released.

I feel that we'll be OK with the dry burning of our coils, as long as we use common sense. Do it in pulses to protect not only the coil, also the assembly itself, the silicon washers or whatever other component on some tanks will melt by holding the button to see how far these can go.

We're likely going to be just fine with our dry burns in moderation.:)

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I have heard really dry-burning only could cause undesirable byproducts, but that it's okay to pulse them. It may or may not be true, but since it's really not so much extra effort expended, I usually rinse my coil, scrubbing at it. Then I use q-tips dipped in alcohol to gently swab away any excess gunk trapped in or under the coil. I rinse again, and then gently pluse, for not very long, and in stages, so the wire doesn't get as hot (presumably). It really doesn't take much extra time, and since recoiling is (usually) my least favorite step in the process, I want my coils to last, and to remain in good shape. If the true risk is minimal (I'm quite sure it is) well, it is also something easy enough to avoid, that I do avoid cleaning SS via dry burning only, and I'm fairly certain my coils actually get cleaner using the method I use than they would by dry burning only.

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Anna, I like the sound of your method, will give it a shot the next time I clean a coil, probably this weekend at the latest.;)

May be easier & clean more gunk off than how I go about it, dry burn, rinse with hot water in every possible direction, use twisted tissue paper to clean inside until no longer black, rinse with hot water once more, dry & rewick.:)

The alcohol likely does a better job, how I clean my Kangertech mini subtank coil bodies after removing the wad of crap used in the vertical coils. Then using the two large holes, make a horizontal coil that tastes better & lasts longer, wished I had leaned of the method before investing over $150 in replacements. The 0.5 ohm spare coil provided is perfect for the job.:thumbs:

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The difference between welding Stainless Steel and dry burning a coil is that when welding, the metal is shielded from the atmosphere via shielding gas or flux. While the metal is in its critical state of being liquid, or just below, it is protected from outside air. When you dry burn a coil, it isn’t.
 

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The difference between welding Stainless Steel and dry burning a coil is that when welding, the metal is shielded from the atmosphere via shielding gas or flux. While the metal is in its critical state of being liquid, or just below, it is protected from outside air. When you dry burn a coil, it isn’t.
And if you are heating your coils up to anywhere near the melting point you're seriously doing it wrong.

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And if you are heating your coils up to anywhere near the melting point you're seriously doing it wrong.

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Yep. There’s no reason for it, regardless of what metal you’re using to make your coils. The only purpose in dryburning coils, in between wick changes, is to solidify and remove the gunk that has collected. You don’t need to heat a coil up to orange or white hot to do that. Just barely a dull red is sufficient.
 

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It takes a lot of heat to put out heavy metal toxins.
You'd have to vaporize the metal with a torch to heat it hot enough to be toxic.
Just ask any glass blower about fuming glass with gold and silver. They have to have good ventilation for fuming. Only know of one person who ever died of heavy metal poisoning, his name was Daniel Trilli, he was one helluva glass blower.
 

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I have a very good friend that is not his lungs were ruined from welding stainless. the toxins created from welding 7810 rod create the same effects as Alzheimer. we shouldn't dismiss any information just because we are lucky but on the other side of the coin some go to fare and worry about minuscule risks. I guess having the correct information and making a informed decision is the best policy.
 

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I have a very good friend that is not his lungs were ruined from welding stainless. the toxins created from welding 7810 rod create the same effects as Alzheimer. we shouldn't dismiss any information just because we are lucky but on the other side of the coin some go to fare and worry about minuscule risks. I guess having the correct information and making a informed decision is the best policy.

I was a pipefitter/welder for nearly 40 years. I’ve known countless welders, and have been friends with many. I can’t think of a single one I have known that died from welding related diseases. Maybe it’s happened. I just don’t know any. I have known some who have passed away because of other respiratory issues, such as mesothelioma, due to asbestos exposure.
 

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I was a pipefitter/welder for nearly 40 years. I’ve known countless welders, and have been friends with many. I can’t think of a single one I have known that died from welding related diseases. Maybe it’s happened. I just don’t know any. I have known some who have passed away because of other respiratory issues, such as mesothelioma, due to asbestos exposure.
Hey now.
 
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